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knightflyte
01-03-2008, 06:00 PM
On the Me 109 panel there is the slip ball indicator, the bank/altitude indicator, and a needle that tips left and right.

What is that verticle needle for, and how do you use it?


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Lurch1962
01-03-2008, 06:04 PM
I've also wondered. And it seems to be very sensitive, too.

stalkervision
01-03-2008, 06:06 PM
.....rudder control http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Rammjaeger
01-03-2008, 06:08 PM
It shows the direction the rudder is kicked towards. Useful when taking off.

knightflyte
01-03-2008, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by Rammjaeger:
It shows the direction the rudder is kicked towards. Useful when taking off.


So it doesn't have anything to do with the attitude of the plane?

Thanks for the replies.

BSS_Sniper
01-03-2008, 06:29 PM
It is called a turn and slip indicator. The ball, as you know, is showing yaw. If the ball is to the right, step on right rudder to center. The needle shows the rate and direction of a turn. The needle I've found doesn't really work all that well so I doubt its modeled to any degree of accuracy IMO, however it will indicate a turn left or right. If it is centered, straight up, you should be going straight.

Just fyi, there is no bank or attitude information given on that instrument panel other than the airspeed indicator and the altimeter which will just show you in a nose up or nose down attitude.

BfHeFwMe
01-03-2008, 10:43 PM
The stick has nothing to do with slip or the rudder, it's a rate of turn indicator as said.

It can be used in poor weather for holding a station without drifting to far, say you get lost and wish to refer to your map, but also don't want to leave the area your currently in. A pilot would know what the standard turn rate for his plane was, and the time it would take to complete the circle at the rated speed.

You could put yourself into a mini holding pattern, kind of useful should an early morning mist obscure your landing field for a wee while. Every so many seconds you complete one circle depending on the rate you use, you don't even need to see the ground.

It may be to sensitive because your above rated airspeed, and not flying smooth enough. Shoot for half the tick while flying at slower speeds. Just for practice, you'll discover it works as advertised.

I think the P-39's was set for 3.5 degrees. If we get dynamic weather in BoB, you'll certainly be hitting this baby once getting socked in the weather, waiting for it to clear up a bit.

zardozid
01-04-2008, 02:52 AM
Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
The stick has nothing to do with slip or the rudder, it's a rate of turn indicator as said.

It can be used in poor weather for holding a station without drifting to far, say you get lost and wish to refer to your map, but also don't want to leave the area your currently in. A pilot would know what the standard turn rate for his plane was, and the time it would take to complete the circle at the rated speed.

You could put yourself into a mini holding pattern, kind of useful should an early morning mist obscure your landing field for a wee while. Every so many seconds you complete one circle depending on the rate you use, you don't even need to see the ground.

It may be to sensitive because your above rated airspeed, and not flying smooth enough. Shoot for half the tick while flying at slower speeds. Just for practice, you'll discover it works as advertised.

I think the P-39's was set for 3.5 degrees. If we get dynamic weather in BoB, you'll certainly be hitting this baby once getting socked in the weather, waiting for it to clear up a bit.


<span class="ev_code_PINK">cool...interesting read (informational) I'm glad I checked in at 4:50AM EST...g'nite.</span>

BSS_Sniper
01-04-2008, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by BfHeFwMe:
The stick has nothing to do with slip or the rudder, it's a rate of turn indicator as said.

It can be used in poor weather for holding a station without drifting to far, say you get lost and wish to refer to your map, but also don't want to leave the area your currently in. A pilot would know what the standard turn rate for his plane was, and the time it would take to complete the circle at the rated speed.

You could put yourself into a mini holding pattern, kind of useful should an early morning mist obscure your landing field for a wee while. Every so many seconds you complete one circle depending on the rate you use, you don't even need to see the ground.

It may be to sensitive because your above rated airspeed, and not flying smooth enough. Shoot for half the tick while flying at slower speeds. Just for practice, you'll discover it works as advertised.

I think the P-39's was set for 3.5 degrees. If we get dynamic weather in BoB, you'll certainly be hitting this baby once getting socked in the weather, waiting for it to clear up a bit.

It doesn't work other than showing direction of turn in game. Speed has nothing to do with it. It's just not modeled to that degree of reality/accuracy. It bounces around way too much and normally (pretty sure they would be the same, maybe not) would have tick marks showing either standard rate or half rate turns. Again speed does not matter nor does bank. I mean, the angle of bank for the timed turns will differ with faster or slow speeds and it should be reflected in the needle.

Either way, it doesn't really work in game because of unrealistic sensitivity.

DuxCorvan
01-04-2008, 08:30 AM
There have never been any "Me" 109. Any sim geek knows that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSS_Sniper
01-04-2008, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
There have never been any "Me" 109. Any sim geek knows that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The ME 109 was the faster version. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

space_bandit
01-04-2008, 11:39 AM
Quote:
BSS_Sniper

"The ME 109 was the faster version" Hammer

I thought that sounded familiar:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/992...?r=40310093#40310093 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/99210093?r=40310093#40310093)

MajorBloodnok
01-04-2008, 06:34 PM
...and I just had this weird thought and discovered that I had already thunk it about four and half years ago when I wrote this:

"The ME109 was the special bug-ridden millenium edition..."

How time flies... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

BSS_Sniper
01-04-2008, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by space_bandit:
Quote:
BSS_Sniper

"The ME 109 was the faster version" Hammer

I thought that sounded familiar:
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/992...?r=40310093#40310093 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/99210093?r=40310093#40310093)

yeah, not me

K_Freddie
01-05-2008, 10:57 AM
Here (http://www.allstar.fiu.edu/aero/turnandslipindicator.htm) and Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slip_indicator) are some nice descriptions.
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