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Bo_Nidle
12-02-2004, 06:27 PM
Those that are familiar with my skins know that I am something of a P-51 nut. When PF came out I had hoped the P-51 loadout would have been upgraded as a lot of Pacific based Ponies carried rockets for mudmoving missions.Sadly it has not come to pass.

So back to my original question:any chance of rockets?

_VR_ScorpionWorm
12-02-2004, 07:20 PM
Prolly get the same answer from Oleg.. nope. I hope they would get some but I dont think they will waste resources on remaking the flight model for the 51.

LeadSpitter_
12-02-2004, 08:40 PM
I asked this many times and showed the types of rockets used both in the eto and pto on p51ds.

I do not know why they cant add them or at least the rocket tubes same ones that are on the p47s on the p51b c and ds and hvars on the pto stangs. They still have no corrected the payload on the p47 which never carried a 1000lb centerline bomb it was 500lb max centerline and 2 wing mounted 1000lb or 500lb bomb. Same goes for the p38 wing mounted hvars not the rocket tree type which caused more drag and the rocket tubes and trees could be jettisoned in reality.

meanwhile german and russian ac have every rarest payload every used same with he111 meanwhile the b25 cannot carry its 5000lb max payload half fueled of course a shorter range then fully fueled with 2500lb which was most common.

well sry for the *****ing and bump to this bo I asked many times with no response so gl.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v97/acespace/payload.jpg

ivankuturkokoff
12-02-2004, 08:40 PM
This argument has been here many times. P51's were not equipped with Rockets in WWII.
Certainly not with HVARS. In the previous debates on this subject all images of P51s with HVARS were Korean War or later.

SkyChimp
12-02-2004, 08:55 PM
Well, I've got some pics of WWII P-51s carrying rocket-tubes. But WWII HVAR carrying Mustang photos are next to non-existent.

Of the USAAF planes that fired rockets in WWII, the P-47, followed by the P-38, seems to have been the primary carriers. The 8th AF fired rockets on occassion, but they were few and far between. The 9th AF was the ground-pounding AF, and they were mostly equipped with P-47s throughout much of the war. It's certainly not inconceivable, though, that 9th AF P-51s that replaced P-47s carried HVARs in combat. Even though the 9th AF fired most of the rockets fired by the USAAF in the ETO, it was just a fraction of what the British fired there. The USAAF simply wasn't a big user of rockets in the ETO.

Late in the Pacific war P-51s were mostly used for B-29 escort and would have carried as much fuel as it could, most likely at the expense of rockets. The big users of rockets in the PTO was the Navy and Marines. They fired as many rockets in the PTO as the RAF fired in the ETO.

LeadSpitter_
12-02-2004, 11:21 PM
chimp i have a bunch of photos of them also some guncam clips of p51ds with hvars in the pto it was extremely rare tho for wing mounted hvars. and they were more commonly used on the later koreanwar k model

ivankuturkokoff you is wrong be sure.

is my scan image working? clearly shows wwii not korean war aircraft british and us

Korolov
12-02-2004, 11:31 PM
I'd be happy with Bazooka Tubes on the P-40 and P-51s. Those M8s seem to have been strapped to anything that could fly.

JG53Frankyboy
12-03-2004, 12:10 AM
yes , sure, german aircraft have all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

did anyone see last time Panzerblitz rockets at the Fw190F.8 ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Hetzer_II
12-03-2004, 12:51 AM
Bump for the Panzerblitz!!!

Sabre51
12-03-2004, 01:34 AM
http://members.iinet.net.au/~ash4/index/image/P51HVAR.jpg

Pg 146 - Mustang at War by Roger A Freeman.

Before anyone suggests it - the 78th fighter squadron never served in Korea, they were based on Iwo Jima in 1945. Post war they were stationed in the US, at Bellows Field then Wheeler Field from 1946 until Nov 1952 when they were transfered to England until at least 1958.

SeaFireLIV
12-03-2004, 03:25 AM
Well if P51s never had rockets in WWII, then they should not have it in the sim.

However, if they DID exist in WWII and were used, then they should be there.

As I and Cappadocian, and the others (sorry guys foregt your callsigns), did we presented evidence on the 250LB bombs for the Hurricane. It took a lot of work and a long time (6months to a year), but finally we convinced Oleg with pictures and facts and he gave the Hurri her bombs.

Keep at it, but BE patient and polite. DO NOT go screaming at Oleg and demanding, no matter how right you may be. I`m sure you guys will do fine.

ivankuturkokoff
12-03-2004, 04:47 AM
Sabre great image, first so far tended here illustrating HVAR on P51 in WW2, despite many posts in the past

Leadspitter lets see some of yours then http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Happy to be proven wrong

BBB_Hyperion
12-03-2004, 05:04 AM
BUMP more Loadouts for all Planes . (We need some Panzerblitz II, er4 , V FW Trg Wingload 2 x sc250 , Bt400 , BT 300 , Droptank and a lot more for FW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif )(All that were used on regular basis and in WWII)

Zen--
12-03-2004, 05:09 AM
And SC1800 for the 190F8, then people flying it could pretend they had a 190G http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

mortoma
12-03-2004, 08:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ivankuturkokoff:
This argument has been here many times. P51's were not equipped with Rockets in WWII.
Certainly not with HVARS. In the previous debates on this subject all images of P51s with HVARS were Korean War or later. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If that's true, then how do explain the pictures of P-51Bs or Cs here in this thread with rockets?? They did not fly the B or C model in Korea.

faustnik
12-03-2004, 09:56 AM
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/P51Rockets.jpg

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/mdegnan/_images/P51Rockets2.jpg

gombal40
12-03-2004, 10:47 AM
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nijssie/mustang.jpg

butzbeast
12-03-2004, 11:01 AM
>>20lb M-41 fragmentation bombs would be nice too <<

but with a realistc simulation of the drag which this stack of bombs produced, please

Tooz_69GIAP
12-03-2004, 11:04 AM
Not before we get the 8xRS-82's on the La-5!!!!!!!!!!

gombal40
12-03-2004, 11:07 AM
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nijssie/tubes.jpg
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nijssie/tubes_2.jpg

lets have um

gombal40
12-03-2004, 12:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Not before we get the 8xRS-82's on the La-5!!!!!!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i showed some of mine now show yours!!

BTW la5 with rockets put a smile on his face
( and mine....:-}}
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nijssie/Zukhov.jpg

gombal40
12-03-2004, 01:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ivankuturkokoff:
This argument has been here many times. P51's were not equipped with Rockets in WWII.
Certainly not with HVARS. In the previous debates on this subject all images of P51s with HVARS were Korean War or later. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>If that's true, then how do explain the pictures of P-51Bs or Cs here in this thread with rockets?? They did not fly the B or C model in Korea. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

strangly i got pics of p51 with them and NOT being in korea.
and about the bazooka rocket see the thread and think again.

ivankuturkokoff
12-03-2004, 02:27 PM
Gombal.

So far we have seen 1 image of HVARS on P51 in WWII on this site. All other images illustrate Tubed installtion of the Bazooka style rockets. (P51A's dont count http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

In the case of the RAF P51B these are 60Lb rockets on rails. These RAF images I believe come from trial/test documents. like to know if they were used operationally by the RAF on the Stang. I am happy to be proved wrong.

So lets see some more imagery of HVAR equipped WWII P51's.

Wolf_Fangs1381
12-03-2004, 04:14 PM
Hello Bo,

Your not alone mate. I am a huge fan of the P-51. I have been wanting rockets on the Mustang since its arrival in FB. From what I've seen on photos HVARS and Bazooka Tubes were used. I have also talked with an owner of of P-51 here where I live and he told me they used both in WWII. So why Oleg and Crew haven't given us rockets for the Mustang is beyond me. I think they are a must have. I suggest we all start sending Oleg and Crew photos showing rockets on the P-51. Maybe we'll have a better chance at getting them in the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif =S=

k5054
12-03-2004, 05:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> P51's were not equipped with Rockets in WWII. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mustangs were. The RAF in Italy used them, the usual 60lb typhoon-style rockets, I think the Beau has them in PF.

k5054
12-03-2004, 05:10 PM
Oh, yes, they were Mustang IVs, and they were used operationally in 1945.

berg417448
12-03-2004, 05:42 PM
http://www.glorene.com/aviation/78th/gallery/p51rocket.jpg

Found at:

http://www.7thfighter.com/78th/history/Gordon.htm



€œIt was the third of July, 1945, and as the third assistant operations officer of the 78th Fighter Squadron, I was in the operations tent when we received the next day's FRAG from the 7th Fighter Command. The "FRAG" was an attack order which described the target, number of aircraft, route, ordnance, submarine rescue locations, frequencies, etc. in our orders to strike the Japanese fighter aircraft assembly plant located at Kasamigura Lake, about 50 miles northeast of Tokyo. This mission looked like a great chance to do some real damage to the Japanese war machine; and it was my turn to go get 'em! The ordnance for our 16 P-51Ds called for each plane to carry a load of six 5-inch high-velocity aerial rockets and two 165-gallon wing tanks. The 45th and 47th Fighter Squadrons were to provide us with high cover from attack by Japanese fighters during the attack. The 45th and 47th would have 16 planes per squadron, and each plane would have two 110-gallon drop-tanks. Captain Joe Fitzsimmons was the lead pilot, and I was flying his element in Code-X Red Flight€¦€

NN_EnigmuS
12-03-2004, 05:52 PM
panzerblitz on fw 190f8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

http://www.luftarchiv.de/flugkorper/blitz.jpg

ivankuturkokoff
12-03-2004, 06:48 PM
K5054

I stand corrected. I have located a refrence that states quite clearly that 260SQN RAF and 250SQN RAF used 60Lb rockets in the European theater fitted to Mustang III's. A clear image of a 260SQN aircraft fitted with 60Lb rockets (in Italy I think).

Mjollnir111675
12-03-2004, 08:01 PM
I am down with any plane that had rockets having rockets! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif
But I think there should be some rocket flight deviation included cuz alot of the rocket film I have seen always show d@mn near half flying off in some arcane direction. So in conclusion:


ROCKET FLIGHT MODEL ALL FUDGED!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

gombal40
12-04-2004, 01:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ivankuturkokoff:
K5054

I stand corrected. I have located a refrence that states quite clearly that 260SQN RAF and 250SQN RAF used 60Lb rockets in the European theater fitted to Mustang III's. A clear image of a 260SQN aircraft fitted with 60Lb rockets (in Italy I think). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

not only those

http://www.xs4all.nl/~nijssie/hvar.jpg [/CENTER]

gombal40
12-04-2004, 01:24 AM
a good site on mustangs

http://www.swissmustangs.ch/

Aaron_GT
12-04-2004, 06:32 AM
Leadspitter wrote:
"I do not know why they cant add them"

Apparently all work has been stopped on rockets for the P51 so an F4U-4 can be added :-)

Aaron_GT
12-04-2004, 06:33 AM
Seriously, though, we're also missing rockets on the Hurricane and the different sizes of rockets available on the Beaufighter. There seems to be a dearth of Western Allied rockets in general. I suspect that Pacific Fighters, illness, and the patch have taken up the time, and hopefully the rockets will come in time.

SeaFireLIV
12-04-2004, 07:18 AM
One other thing I`ll add, just because someone posts an aircraft with rockets, it doesn`t mean that they were actually USED in WWII. I have a few pictures of the Hurricane with some interesting experimental ordnance in the WWII that were actually never used, or not used until after WII... just tested.

We need to be aware of this.

gombal40
12-05-2004, 03:09 AM
they were used.
btw be aware that there are even planes that were never used. You do know that dont you?

3.JG51_BigBear
12-06-2004, 11:19 PM
bump for rockets

Copperhead310th
12-07-2004, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gombal40:
they were used.
btw be aware that there are even planes that were never used. You do know that dont you? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ummmm BF-109Z maybe? G0-229?

JaBo_HH-BlackSheep
12-08-2004, 01:28 AM
PanzerblitzI maybe II
http://luftarchiv.com/flugkorper/schreck.jpg

at least pbI saw action on the eastern front.

Bo_Nidle
12-09-2004, 12:09 PM
Hi all, I lost this post for some reason hence the lack of response.Anyway...I have to admit that almost all my references are for ETO P-51s but I had seen some illustrations and photos of Ponies that were definitely WW2 fitted with rockets.Maybe these were experimental I don't know.

I just love blowing s**t up and thought they would be cool is all.

That said a Typhoon would have been the ultimate mudmover for me.I'd settle for the Tempest! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif