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Vincent_Steele
05-13-2005, 09:04 AM
Hi All,

Having been playing this game for a few years, some oddities need explination... Here we go:

1) Why do some planes have the leading edge painted yellow? (spit, jap<span class="ev_code_RED">anese</span> planes)
2) Why do US planes have four prob blades?
3) Why do German/Jap<span class="ev_code_RED">anese</span> machine guns leave a smoke trail, and not allied mg's?
4) Why is there no fuel gauge in the early Yak models?
5) Why does the Spitfire turn so well without speed loss?
6) Why is the La5 default skin feces brown?
7) Why do some plane have slider control only for the flaps?
8) Why don't we get negative score for being shot down online?
9) Why dont the late Bf 109 have retractable tail wheel?
10) Why can't I stop playing this game on a daily basis after nearly two years?
11) Why does the P-400 have a Russian gun sight?
12) Why do the Russian planes have perfect radio comms in the early offline campaign, when their aircraft weren't R/C equipped?

Feel free to respond any way you want.

Be well!
Vincent Steele

SeaNorris
05-13-2005, 09:13 AM
1. I cant remember
2. Powerful Engines
3. N/A
4. Because it wasn't designed with one.
5. Epilectical Wings
6. Russian Colour
7. N/A
8. Because it isn't neccesary
9. To Save time, The Germans threw them out.
10. It's addictive http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
11. Because they never modeled the USA one.
12. Not Historical at all I suppose?

carguy_
05-13-2005, 09:13 AM
Wondering bout 1 myself.

"5) Why does the Spitfire turn so well without speed loss?"

HayateAce will tell you. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"12) Why do the Russian planes have perfect radio comms in the early offline campaign, when their aircraft weren't R/C equipped? "

That is just a case of standing up to "Full real player" tag.Looking from I16 case about 5% VVS pilots deserve the tag.AFAIK only the commander had a radio back then.

LilHorse
05-13-2005, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Vincent_Steele:
Hi All,

Having been playing this game for a few years, some oddities need explination... Here we go:

1) Why do some planes have the leading edge painted yellow? (spit, jap<span class="ev_code_RED">anese</span> planes)
2) Why do US planes have four prob blades?
3) Why do German/Jap<span class="ev_code_RED">anese</span> machine guns leave a smoke trail, and not allied mg's?
4) Why is there no fuel gauge in the early Yak models?
5) Why does the Spitfire turn so well without speed loss?
6) Why is the La5 default skin feces brown?
7) Why do some plane have slider control only for the flaps?
8) Why don't we get negative score for being shot down online?
9) Why dont the late Bf 109 have retractable tail wheel?
10) Why can't I stop playing this game on a daily basis after nearly two years?
11) Why does the P-400 have a Russian gun sight?
12) Why do the Russian planes have perfect radio comms in the early offline campaign, when their aircraft weren't R/C equipped?

Feel free to respond any way you want.

Be well!
Vincent Steele

#2 Not all did. P-40s, P-38s, Wildcats, Hellcats, Early Corsairs and Allison Stangs all had three bladed props. As engine power increased more prop was needed to make efficient use of the added power.

#3 This is just smoke tracer (Axis) vs. magnesium/phosphorous tracer (Allied)

Bearcat99
05-13-2005, 06:44 PM
Steele since this is your first post here i'll just let you know... Japanese members of this community find the term J** offensive so we dont use it here.. either type in the extra few leters or use IJN or IJA (Imperial Japanese Navy/Army) but not J**. Thanks for your cooperation.

LStarosta
05-13-2005, 06:52 PM
Bearcat, you missed a "J@p".

Bearcat99
05-13-2005, 06:57 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Chuck_Older
05-13-2005, 07:22 PM
Some US planes had two prop blades- like the Duck

Some aircraft have yellow panels, such as IJA/IJN aircraft, simply for recognition- a crude IFF system

Some have yellow (and other color) panels to denote theatres of combat

SeaNorris
05-13-2005, 07:31 PM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
Bearcat, you missed a "Japanese".

Modified http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Chuck_Older
05-13-2005, 07:56 PM
you nice?

PBNA-Boosher
05-13-2005, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by Bearcat99:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Come on guys, give the mods the respect they deserve and obey the rules. It makes it easier for us all.

Answer for 4: Most early war Yaks were produced quickly, and therefore fuel gauges weren't added to quite a few of them, as well as a number of things. Yaks were odd planes in many ways. For one, one wing was shorter than the other. It reduces torque but makes the plane less stable. The plane was also a lot more stall-able on one wing, which caused problems for Lilya Litvyak's Fiance, Alexei Salomatin, as he stalled and perished while teaching a rookie pilot about air combat maneuvering.

wayno7777
05-13-2005, 09:53 PM
I think the yellow on the leading edge was a safety thing. I could be wrong. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Dean_Clean
05-13-2005, 10:14 PM
Answer to #4: Yaks had fuel gauges on wing, easily visible from the cockpit. These are not in the game. Please see link.

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Yak_Fuel/index.php

EAF51_Ookami
05-14-2005, 01:21 AM
1) easy visual way to tell friend from foe... before you find that almost all the AFs used yellow to do it..
2) becose Americans do always big things?
3) schnapps/sake addition to give more punch?
4) because... who cares about fuel when you know that there is a 109 always on your tail!
5) because it's a Spitfire!
6) dunno...
7) dunno...
8) to be shoot down should be negative enough... isn't it?
9) dunno...
10) It's a plot to keep you hang to a pc while the world goes ahead.
11) was a plot by Americans against UK... but then they forget to replace the gunsight when sending the Aircobra I in the Pacific...
12) mind-power expansion equipment kept secret until now?

sorry... quite bored this morning... there is a strike here where I work today and so I have no students to hang/kill/kick... sigh...

S!

Ookami

Art-J
05-14-2005, 03:37 AM
ad.1) Wasn't it identification aid? At least on IJN planes, just like the similar white leading edges on all USAAF, RAAF & RNZAF fighters flying over New Guinea in 1943-44.

ad.9) Not all of them! K-4 hasn't http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Seriously, I'm not sure. I guess it was attempt to save weight of the plane and time needed to produce it in busy months of late '43 and '44, the speed penalty because of wheel wasn't so severe anyway... But then there's retractable wheel in K-4 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif. Well, this was a crate built with ultimate performance in mind. But that didn't make any difference in the final outcome.

249th_Maico
05-14-2005, 04:46 AM
1) To keep ground crew outside the prop arc. The chocks are pulled by hand by ground crew.
2) Big engine, Big Prop. This is what the US was all about. The reason why the Corsairs wings are bent(Big PROP). But early US birds have three bladed and so does the Lightning, P39 ect.
3) I think this is undermodelled on purpose. Maybe 6 or eight fifities would bring any system to its knees with all that smoke.
4)Its odd and I dont know why this was done.
5)Eliptical wings and one of the best power to weight ratios. This aircraft was awesome, dont expect it to be undermodelled. But remember, these are mid to late war variants. Wait till the Mk1 with its carburated engine comes out in BOB. Can you say sputter?
6)Russian colors are cool. This is super Olive DRAB. Read some books and see some pics. You will see...
7)Not all aircraft have adjustable prop or trim. i.e. I-16
8)This has allready been covered. Its embarrasing enough.
9) The retract goes away and even gets extended towards the end of the war. This made for better view on a tail dragger. The K4 has a retract.
10)We are all adicts. Dont worry, it will only get worse. In four years I only have had one game that matters. This one. Lock in is my methadone.
11)P-400 was an export version of the P39. Since the brits did not care for them, guess where most wind up at?
12) Shhhhhhh, dont tell anyone. The I-16 is awesome. Again this is one of those things that even out the field for everyone. Flying a I-16 against 109s was bad enough in the early days.

P.S. This game is played on a world stage. Remarks like Jap or Kraut have no place here. Read some books on the german or japanese perspective of the war. You will soon see these men were brothers, sons and husbands. They would be fathers and grandfathers. They took off to fight for their country when the call came. In other words, they were all heros. From the firs german to fly over poland to the last japanese to fly over the mainland, they are all adventurous aviators who have earned our respect. They defied the odds and lived under sometimes horrendus circumstances. We are from different nations accross the globe and we all have our heroes.

major_setback
05-14-2005, 04:58 AM
....

1) Why do some planes have the leading edge painted yellow? (spit, jap<span class="ev_code_RED">anese</span> planes)....



The yellow strip was used for head-on recognition. See the third paragraph below.
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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y129/major-setback/06.jpg

-HH- Beebop
05-14-2005, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Dean_Clean:
Answer to #4: Yaks had fuel gauges on wing, easily visible from the cockpit. These are not in the game. Please see link.

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/ModelArticles/Yak_Fuel/index.php

Dean_Clean;

Nice link! I did not know that. I might try skinning them onto a Yak sometime. Thanks.

Chuck_Older
05-14-2005, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by 249th_Maico:
1) To keep ground crew outside the prop arc. The chocks are pulled by hand by ground crew.
2) Big engine, Big Prop. This is what the US was all about. The reason why the Corsairs wings are bent(Big PROP). But early US birds have three bladed and so does the Lightning, P39 ect.


maybe. But in this case, #1 is an IFF thing. If you take a look on a Zero, that yellow portion of the leading edge extends further than the prop could reach. On US aircraft for example, the prop arc is typically denoted by a red line on the fuselage. See B-25 photos for examples

#2 is simply the correct prop for the application. The Corsair had bent wings becuse it had a big prop AND had to have have short, strong landing gear for carrier ops http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif When did the Lighning not have a three bladed prop, though? Even post-WWII P-38 racing planes used three bladed props http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif No four bladed props on P-38s that I ever saw, be it a Bendix racer or while in wartime service