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PriK
11-26-2004, 04:12 PM
Hi guys!

As a member of NaturalPoint's beta team I'm proud to be able to announce the next generation in immersion for Pacific Fighters and many other flight sims and games and let me tell you it's unbelievable!

For current TrackIR3 users there will be made available new software designed from the ground up along with an accessory clip that will allow you to move your head in six degrees of motion!

Lost your opponent around the struts of your cockpit? Need to see over the nose of your plane for carrier takeoffs? want to get a closer look at your gauges? Well pretty soon you will be able to.

The accessory clip has three reflectors and the new software is able to distinguish the position of your head in 3D space for translation in games. I've tried it myself so far in FS2004 and it is the holy grail for us flight simmers! Pacific Fighters should be ready to test in the next week or so, and CFS3 is already working.

Want to see it in action? Check out this video...

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/video.html

It's good times to be a flight simmer! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Willey
11-26-2004, 04:18 PM
For PF?? Are you kidding? If not http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Now I've got the feeling that this is the feature Oleg meant which would make real pilots happy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

Head movement! Finally!!! I think we'll also get some keys for that then http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Mjollnir111675
11-26-2004, 04:20 PM
Woo Hoo the ability to crane your neck!!! I can say I have been looking forward to this!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Willey
11-26-2004, 04:22 PM
Goodbye Focke bars http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

I'll just look around you soon http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Aaron_GT
11-26-2004, 04:34 PM
Does it come with a free airsickness bag :-)

Steven190
11-26-2004, 04:36 PM
WOW
Look forward to both the IL2 and CFS3 profiles and new equipment for my 3 Pro

GT182
11-26-2004, 04:36 PM
Any chance of it being available to those of us that have the IR2? I can't see buying a new Tracker when I already have a perfectly good one now that works fine. Or maybe a trade-in would be ok towards and IR3?

PriK
11-26-2004, 04:51 PM
Unfortunately it won't work with less than a TIR3. It's a hardware issue I think. I will ask the developers if they plan on offering a trade-up program this time around but it's still early and pricing has not been set at this point. To be honest, I'm not made of money but after experiencing 6DOF, whatever it's going to cost will be more than worth it but immersion is everything to me.

I have to say that I haven't seen many companies that support their product as well as NaturalPoint does. I've been helping out a bit in their forums and Wayne, their tech-support guy goes beyond the call of duty to help folks out.

GT182
11-26-2004, 04:58 PM
Thanks mate! Maybe, with the snow season coming on, I'll be able to get a new Tracker with money made by cleaning driveways with me snowblower. Besides I still have that $30 off coupon that came with PF. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AtomicRunt
11-26-2004, 05:11 PM
Great...is there there an upgrade for T-IR2? Or do I need to go spend another $139??

TAGERT.
11-26-2004, 05:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
Hi guys!

As a member of NaturalPoint's beta team I'm proud to be able to announce the next generation in immersion for Pacific Fighters and many other flight sims and games and let me tell you it's unbelievable!

For current TrackIR3 users there will be made available new software designed from the ground up along with an accessory clip that will allow you to move your head in six degrees of motion!

Lost your opponent around the struts of your cockpit? Need to see over the nose of your plane for carrier takeoffs? want to get a closer look at your gauges? Well pretty soon you will be able to.

The accessory clip has three reflectors and the new software is able to distinguish the position of your head in 3D space for translation in games. I've tried it myself so far in FS2004 and it is the holy grail for us flight simmers! Pacific Fighters should be ready to test in the next week or so, and CFS3 is already working.

Want to see it in action? Check out this video...

http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/products/video.html

It's good times to be a flight simmer! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>This is great news for future sims! I cant wait! Now we can LEAN!

Mjollnir111675
11-26-2004, 05:19 PM
So this makes me think to meself: Does this affect all of the a/c or just new ones?? Could this also be a contributing factor to release of the plane pack?? Wont Oleg 'N' Crew have to remodel the cockpits for an alternate view angle?? Does anyone know the rub on O 'N' C's side?? I am erally curious about this.

Oh and does this mean that a whole new version of the trackir3 pro will be released or is it just all software issues??

EDIT: Oh yeah will there be any kind of performance hit(fps,etc.) with this new 6dof software?

PriK
11-26-2004, 05:28 PM
I can't be too specific just yet but there is an accessory that you will get for 6DOF using your own TIR3 unit. The main thing is the new software that makes a lot of things much easier but I can't really get into that just yet either.

The software also will work for 2D mode and should improve performance there as well to some extent!

The new stuff won't require any work by Oleg and is not a contributing factor to his release schedules nor is it dependant on game versions (patches) as far as I know. Of course, there will be view limits to keep all views within the realm of reality. No "linda-blair" type views.

Please keep in mind that it's still quite early in the game right now despite their desire to have it ready for Christmas so anything I say here may or may not be reflected in the final product. I'm just relaying what I can from the best of my current knowledge.

cheers

TAGERT.
11-26-2004, 05:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
I can't be too specific just yet but there is an accessory that you will get for 6DOF using your own TIR3 unit. The main thing is the new software that makes a lot of things much easier but I can't really get into that _just_ yet either.

The software also will work for 2D mode and should improve performance there as well to some extent!

The new stuff won't require any work by Oleg and is not a contributing factor to his release schedules nor is it dependant on game versions (patches) as far as I know. Of course, there will be view limits to keep all views within the realm of reality. No "linda-blair" type views.

Please keep in mind that it's still quite early in the game right now despite their desire to have it ready for Christmas so anything I say here may or may not be reflected in the final product. I'm just relaying what I can from the best of my current knowledge.

cheers <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Re-reading your post I kind of get the impression that your saying PF will support this 6DOF option... I find that hard to belive? It would mean some major engine re-work and I have been told in the past that alot of the 3D cockpits will not support a lean off centerline.

PriK
11-26-2004, 05:49 PM
I know what you mean and believe me I asked the same questions at first. It won't take ANY engine rework to do this! Apparantly it's all possible through the existing enhanced-mode TIR interface in the game. It's still early in the process here but I'm assured it is quite possible to implement PF as a 6DOF game.

Now, as you know PF cockpits are designed to be viewed from one fixed point perspective but the relative perspective angles are small and shouldn't be a problem in most pits although there might be the odd untextured surface. They will be sure to limit the range of views to stay within realistic measures so poking your head through the roof won't be possible.

NTESLA
11-26-2004, 06:46 PM
This indeed is as revolutionary as TrackIR when it came out.

What type of contraption? Is it electronic or just passive reflectors? Will it require desktop or monitor realestate? Will more dots be on my forehead?

Please answer these questions to have an idea of what is coming and how to prepare for it!

Thank you.

TAGERT.
11-26-2004, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
I know what you mean and believe me I asked the same questions at first. It won't take ANY engine rework to do this! Apparantly it's all possible through the existing enhanced-mode TIR interface in the game. It's still early in the process here but I'm assured it is quite possible to implement PF as a 6DOF game. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! NOW THAT IS GOOD NEWS!! Im glad I waited a bit to upgrade my TrackIR 1!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
Now, as you know PF cockpits are designed to be viewed from one fixed point perspective but the relative perspective angles are small and shouldn't be a problem in most pits although there might be the odd untextured surface. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That is fine by me! The upside far outweights the down side!! That, and we allready have some odd untextured surfaces now! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
They will be sure to limit the range of views to stay within realistic measures so poking your head through the roof won't be possible. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Roger! Man.. this is cool! The best part is all these new features take away the few arguments Stig had as to why Targetware is a beter sim.. Now with the new dots and this advancement in the ability to lean.. WOW! This is cool! Thanks for the heads up!!

TAGERT.
11-26-2004, 07:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NTESLA:
This indeed is as revolutionary as TrackIR when it came out.

What type of contraption? Is it electronic or just passive reflectors? Will it require desktop or monitor realestate? Will more dots be on my forehead?

Please answer these questions to have an idea of what is coming and how to prepare for it!

Thank you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I think it will have to have some extra dots and sensors! I got a sneak peak at some of the beta testers and their new TrackIR 6DOF HATS.. Notice the additional area devoted to dot placements!

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/bobby.jpg
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/cubby.jpg
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/lonnie.jpg

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-26-2004, 07:05 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Wooohooo that's a bloody good piece of news thanks for the heads up man.

TheGozr
11-26-2004, 07:09 PM
It is finally a great thing but before this we need to know if an other trackir #4 will arrive or it will be the track ir pro 3.

If any other track ir 4 is coming i'll have to wait .

Many guys got track ir 2 just before the 3 pro and was absolute already. so keep us inform with what is coming.

x6BL_Brando
11-26-2004, 07:12 PM
Great news, thank you! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PlaneEater
11-26-2004, 07:23 PM
Does anybody know a good HMD (head-mounted display) that runs at 1024x768 true resolution?

I'm thinking one of those + this = **** CLOSE to real

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-26-2004, 07:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
It is finally a great thing but before this we need to know if an other trackir #4 will arrive or it will be the track ir pro 3.

If any other track ir 4 is coming i'll have to wait .

Many guys got track ir 2 just before the 3 pro and was absolute already. so keep us inform with what is coming. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well reading the initial post mate it sounds like this is a software enhancement for trak ir 3 and all that will be required is some new kinda head gear in conjunction with the software.

PriK
11-26-2004, 07:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
Does anybody know a good HMD (head-mounted display) that runs at 1024x768 true resolution?

I'm thinking one of those + this = **** CLOSE to real <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm with you here. I think it will be a little while yet before a practical, decent resolution headset, dunno but it can't be too far off. A dual display with LCD shuttering for full 3D effect would be a welcome complement to 6DOF. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I wouldn't worry about TIR 4 yet, there hasn't been any mention of one even in the works yet so as long as you pick up a TIR3 you'll be ok. Current TIR3 owners should be able to purchase the 6DOF accessory and software separately but I'm sure it will also be bundled as an option perhaps as a value package. Again, these details are purely speculation on my part right now but I'll be sure to let everyone know when it's coming and how much it will cost.

I can't expand much more than this right now but I wanted to give you all a taste of whats coming. I'll definitely give you any details I can when I get them!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-26-2004, 07:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PlaneEater:
Does anybody know a good HMD (head-mounted display) that runs at 1024x768 true resolution?

I'm thinking one of those + this = **** CLOSE to real <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Most of the Hmd technology I have seen would kinda make the requirement for track Ir unecessary as they usualy incorporate some kind of head tracking into the unit itself.

Down side is you need a bloody good budget for any kinda HMD currently available.

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
11-26-2004, 07:38 PM
One example I found with a quick google

http://www.vrealities.com/5dt.html


funnily enough it does reference track ir ?!?! maybe things are getting cheaper after all. Still seems a little pricey for your average gamer though http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Holycannoli
11-26-2004, 07:40 PM
It sounds awesome but I just don't see how it could work with an engine that doesn't support it? I'd love to be able move my virtual head around in my virtual cockpit like I do when driving my car, but does PF actually allow that? Or similar?

Would be SO awesome if it did! I can't wait to get my TIR 3 anyway!

PriK
11-26-2004, 07:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holycannoli:
It sounds awesome but I just don't see how it could work with an engine that doesn't support it? I'd love to be able move my virtual head around in my virtual cockpit like I do when driving my car, but does PF actually allow that? Or similar?

Would be SO awesome if it did! I can't wait to get my TIR 3 anyway! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well you are about to become a very happy man. PF will most likely indeed support it as will (potentially) any game that already has TIR enhanced support. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Holycannoli
11-26-2004, 07:50 PM
Now they need to develop a 3D helmet like I said in another thread. Nice wide and tall view to allow peripheral vision without having to turn your head, possibly 3D although not necessary, still lets you look down at your keyboard, and works with TIR. Oh and looks like my avatar so you feel even more immersed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I can dream can't I? The ultimate in immersion. You'll feel like you're really there until someone comes up and pokes you in the back scaring the bejeezus out of you.

SimplyUnreal
11-26-2004, 09:17 PM
Oh, yeah! Now you got me sold. If this is true and you can provide more sample videos on this feature in action, then I am definitly ordering one.

Charlie_52ndVFW
11-26-2004, 10:10 PM
Move videos, previews, and such will be made available as soon as it can be done. Right now we have been given some freedom in letting you guys know about what we are doing. The software is still in mid to early beta development and there are still quite a few things that needs to be addressed. But we have not been given complete freedom to discuss everything about it.... so you dont know the best stuff yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, good news to you, NaturalPoint has been kicking serious butt in getting new beta versions compiled and into our hands. They are really trying hard to get this thing into your computer rooms as quickly as possible.

Keep an eye out on the forums or check my site (click link in sig) for updated news and videos as NaturalPoint allows us to release them.

AJM-2K4
11-26-2004, 11:32 PM
this is incredibly exciting...

one quick question, on which side of the interface does the new accessory lie. on the human side, ie more reflectors, an uber track hat, or on the hardware side, with something attaching to the TIR unit? Or is it a combination of both?

PriK
11-26-2004, 11:48 PM
Well, hello there Charlie! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

FatBoyHK
11-27-2004, 12:50 AM
wow!!!!!! need to spend again... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Alexi_Alx_Anova
11-27-2004, 02:26 AM
Beta chaps, is the new software more robust in its USB compatibility? Past versions of NaturalPoint TrackIR software and the company's response to the problems wereless than professional...

Alexi

Aaron_GT
11-27-2004, 03:11 AM
"I'm with you here. I think it will be a little while yet before a practical, decent resolution headset, dunno but it can't be too far off. "


There are a slew of headsets available at video resolutions (circa 800x600) and some no doubt will be coming at HDTV resolutions. Although these are primarily aimed at personal DVD or TV watching they should work for games too. What you do need then is voice activated controls as you won't be able to see your keyboard. Also your head might get cluttered with goggles, headphones, microphone, track IR dots and bumps!

Charlie_52ndVFW
11-27-2004, 08:40 AM
Hi Charvel... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Can't answer the question about the hardware yet, sorry.

As for the robustness... this new software is ONLY for the TrackIR3. In the past, the software worked across the TrackIR1, 2, and 3. Due to the major hardware differences between the 3 units, the software was very tricky to work with and some really crazy bugs were present. That is not the case this time. They are now able to code for a very specific peice of hardware.

That is the difference between graphics on a console system verses a computer.... the console has one specific set of hardware where as the PC devs have to account for hundreds of different cards and driver versions....

jamesdietz
11-27-2004, 09:50 AM
When?? As an happy owner of Track IR3 pro will I be able to download these nifty improvements soon???

PriK
11-27-2004, 10:01 AM
No release date set as of yet. We are all busting our asses to get it out for Christmas though but it's hard to say right now.

As soon as we get an idea you guys will be the first to know!

ZERO-BASE
11-27-2004, 10:17 AM
Fantastic News! I just bought my new TrackIR3 Pro 3 weeks ago. I´ll order this new 3-dot-clip-(hat?) as soon as it will be released.
Can`t wait to add a complete new head moving dimension to the sim experience.

Does anyone know if this new feature will also work with GTR?

Diablo310th
11-27-2004, 11:26 AM
I already own a TIR3 pro. I use my mic boom to hold my dots with for tracking. Is this new hardware and software going to require me to have a different setup?

T_O_A_D
11-27-2004, 12:23 PM
Well thats pretty cool if it works. Time will tell. It sounds like Me balls might be out of date soon LOL

Charlie_52ndVFW
11-27-2004, 12:23 PM
There is no official list of games that will be supported as of yet. NP wants to make sure that they all work properly before announcing the list so that they do not make false promises. This is why we cannot say whether or not FB, GTR, Lock On, ect. will be supported. Lets just say the 'hope to support' list for the first public release is quite long....

Cannot say on the hardware yet... but from what I have gathered it should not change the way people have their setup now. But do not quote or hold me to this. I have always used the TrackHAT so I had no problems with the new stuff.

Also: This it NOT a free update. There is a software and hardware compenent to this. When you order, you will get the hardware in the mail (duh) and a registration code to unlock the software.

TrackIR3 will continue to work in '2d' mode with all sims as it is now. But to unlock the 6d features, you will have to buy the hardware.

There has been no price stated by NP as of yet.

Lav69
11-27-2004, 02:49 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
It sounds like Me balls might be out of date soon <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?????? Can't get it up anymore?

T_O_A_D
11-27-2004, 04:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lav69:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
It sounds like Me balls might be out of date soon <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

?????? Can't get it up anymore? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

ROFLMAO read the link about my Trackir fix in my sig. You will understand then, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Airmikey2
11-27-2004, 04:11 PM
Suuuhweeet!!! this a great time to be alive or what?

Now my wife can complete Christmas shopping..

Airmikey

GT182
11-27-2004, 04:30 PM
Prices from the 5DT HMD Virtual Reality site:
(2D PC and Video Version) - $2900.00
(3D Single and Dual Input PC and Video Version) - $4750.00

Add a Head Tracker! CLICK HERE

Integrated Microphone with Voice Recognition Software Add $125.00
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http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif
For that amount of money, I'd rather stick with the Tracker, as that's about all the "virtual reality" I can afford. They gotta be outta their minds over there.

jimmie_T
11-27-2004, 04:59 PM
The movie demonstrates it in MSFS & CFS...
If this will INDEED work in IL2....

It's not a good news...

<span class="ev_code_RED">extragalactic news!!!</span>

Charlie_52ndVFW
11-27-2004, 08:49 PM
Why is it not good news if it works in PF? You dont have one? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PriK
11-27-2004, 10:38 PM
er...he said it's not good news, it's INTERSTELLARGALACTICON news.

Or something like that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

InyerEye
11-27-2004, 10:44 PM
Great news.Now another reason to spend more time in front of this devil of a computer.
This is gonna be SAAWEEET.

Hrdina
11-27-2004, 11:25 PM
I have just started flying FB/AEP and don't (yet) own PF, but...

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Wow.

I watched the videos and they look fantastic. Looks like I'm gonna have to convince the wife that I need one of these things.

IVJG51_Swine
11-28-2004, 03:24 AM
WOW http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

IVJG51_Swine
11-28-2004, 03:51 AM
Does this allow you to zoom in through the gun site?

Charlie_52ndVFW
11-28-2004, 07:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
er...he said it's not good news, it's INTERSTELLARGALACTICON news.

Or something like that. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Whoa... brain filtered out the red stuff.... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yuri_Stupchet
11-28-2004, 09:10 AM
Tagert,

You left out Uncle Roy, Jimmie Dodd and Annette from the Mouse Club Sig...your age is showing!

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

PriK
11-28-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Well thats pretty cool if it works. Time will tell. It sounds like Me balls might be out of date soon LOL <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heh, I used to use a "boom" type extension up until I tried the new software to get a better side-to-side throw and a bit better precision. I find it much more accurate now in 2D even as an early beta so it looks like things will be getting better all around. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

ChicagoChad
11-28-2004, 02:44 PM
Wow,
Just a couple of years ago we we're laughing at the compass that we wish there was a way we could crouch down to see, now it seems that has become possible.

-The Chad

Aaron_GT
11-28-2004, 03:16 PM
Will this be supported on all TIR3, not just pro?

PriK
11-28-2004, 03:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
Will this be supported on all TIR3, not just pro? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, both TIR3 units will be supported http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Here is a quote from one of the developers, Jim Richardson, concerning why only TIR3 will be supported:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>We will continue to support and update the software for TrackIR2 and the original TrackIR.

There is a technical reason that the new software will only work with the TIR3, it has a different lens to pixel ratio and slightly different effective FOV. Our new software and accessory has to be designed to work with very specific imager requirements, it is in the math and the resolution of the older TrackIR uints along with the lens limitations mean that it just won't work. Obviously, we still think the TrackIR / 2 is a great unit and we stand behind them.

I hope this explanation helps. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Charlie_52ndVFW
11-29-2004, 07:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ChicagoChad:
Wow,
Just a couple of years ago we we're laughing at the compass that we wish there was a way we could crouch down to see, now it seems that has become possible.

-The Chad <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed it is so. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Brock.Landers
11-29-2004, 10:01 AM
Most importantly of all-
How stupid will this upgrade make us look when answering the door to our neighbours in full TR3+ accesory clip headgear? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Slightly miffed I bought a TR2 now...

AJM-2K4
11-29-2004, 02:18 PM
if it makes you feel any better brock, you have the coolest avatar EVER...

is there any sort of approximate cost for the new hardware? ie. more or less than the base TrackIR 3 Pro?

BlackR6
11-29-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AJM-2K4:
if it makes you feel any better brock, you have the coolest avatar EVER...

is there any sort of approximate cost for the new hardware? ie. more or less than the base TrackIR 3 Pro? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good Question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PriK
11-30-2004, 07:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Brock.Landers:
Most importantly of all-
How stupid will this upgrade make us look when answering the door to our neighbours in full TR3+ accesory clip headgear? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


Slightly miffed I bought a TR2 now... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hehe, actually you'll find the clip to be very unubtrousive and sleek. Sorry about having to upgrade, the TIR2 is still a very good unit.

Burnin_777_AVG
11-30-2004, 09:44 PM
Bump.

s.bush
12-01-2004, 11:34 AM
ATT ****

So what are we supposed to do in the meantime?You dont say when the software will be available nor does the agent we contacted in Germany know anything regarding this subject,can you please clarify?thanks
bush

Charlie_52ndVFW
12-01-2004, 11:48 AM
The hardware component to the upgrade is low profile. In fact, not many people will even notice it unless you have a pre-production shiny one... which you wont.

To clarify for Bush:

There has been no date released as of yet. The software is still in mid-beta development and as everyone should know, **** can still hit the fan as Murhpy's law is strangly propotional to software development. Once the software is at a stange where NaturalPoint can be confident that it will be released without a hang up, they can release a date.

Furthermore, the public JUST found out about it within a week. Which means retailers are just now finding out about it. So I doubt that many people that do not read forums even know about it.

Your best place to get information about this is the NaturalPoint website or my own (shameless plug there - hint: click sig!!). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

As for the other... dont be miffed you bought a TrackIR2. That was years ago. No one complains when a video card company releases a new technology every 8 months. Whats the difference between NP ddoing it an ATI / NV doing it?

Technology Happens. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

PriK
12-01-2004, 12:14 PM
Two weeks! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

j/k

No promises yet but NP is hoping to have it ready to be in your hands by Christmas if everything keeps going smoothly and no major issues pop up. It shouldn't be long before we know. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

s.bush
12-01-2004, 02:54 PM
please keep us posted with the developments on the forum so as to avoid confusion when contacting the agents for a purchase when available.
s.bush

DuxCorvan
12-01-2004, 05:17 PM
I doubt this 'free' movement will ever be supported in PF. It was said that free movement -type 'WW2 Fighters'- was never implemented because the cockpits have been made to be seen from programmed POVs, thus avoiding some modelling issues and workarounds to be discovered, and saving FPS and work by omitting unseen objects and textures.

It'd look bad in PF/FB, and Maddox will never allow it. Sad.

Charlie_52ndVFW
12-01-2004, 09:40 PM
Time will tell.

Lets not start a war by pitting Maddox vs NP or anything else. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PriK
12-01-2004, 10:38 PM
Yes, the cockpits are made to be seen from one perspective and there is bound to be some anomalies like missing textures or polys. FS2004 isnt designed for shifting perspectives either but although not perfect it is more than passable and I expect it would be much the same with PF. A small trade-off when you experience the added immersiveness.

I don't think Oleg's Battle of Britain will have these issues at all.

Aaron_GT
12-02-2004, 03:10 AM
DuxCorvan: we can hope for this in BoB, hopefully.

LLv26_Morko
12-02-2004, 07:34 AM
This ROCKS!!! Great news!!!!
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AJM-2K4
12-02-2004, 08:39 AM
I think Oleg will want to play his PF with this tech too :P

DuxCorvan
12-02-2004, 01:01 PM
The day Track-IR can be combined with a good VR glasses set at a reasonable price, that'll be the day sims will be sims, and cockpit on will be more a help than a difficulty set. That day we'll install a WC, a fridge and a microwave oven in front of our rig. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If it only could be today... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

AStotzer
12-02-2004, 01:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PriK:
Pacific Fighters should be ready to test in the next week or so, and CFS3 is already working. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I have a TrackIR2 and CFS3, but I've never been able to get the TrackIR2 to work in that game. Is there some trick or setting?

aminx
12-02-2004, 04:04 PM
ATT PRIK

We want to order 2 pro units from germany and our question is only one before we go ahead.
When we receive and start using the units, what happens when a short while later this software you talk about is released for sale ?
1)Do we order it from the agent and what is the extra cost?
2)Wait,dont buy the pro model and order the new set when out with the new soft ware included?
3)Or what?
regards
aminx

Charlie_52ndVFW
12-02-2004, 07:07 PM
Aminx:

I would buy the TrackIR3 now from whatever store you would like to buy it from.

When the Vector technology comes out, buy it directly from NaturalPoint. The hardware is extreamly light and shipping should not cost much at all. Besides that, you have to turn in the serial number for your TrackIR3 so they can issue you a registration code for the Software. So this has to be done through NaturalPoint anyway.

The price has yet to be released and everything we know about it is subject to change at the whim of NaturalPoint. So, until they say a price, we arent going to say anything on that front.

But I would avoid the rush and get your TrackIR3 pro before they go on back order. Just my opinion.

PriK
12-02-2004, 11:32 PM
Just to clarify, you will be able to buy the 6DOF unit separately from the TIR3 units for probably somewhere around the price of a video game and will also likely include a TrackHat cap as well which I think sells for around twenty bucks alone so it will be a great value.

I'm a cheap PriK and considering what this thing does, I don't think I'd hesitate to pay twice what they end up pricing it at, but you can decide for yourself when it's released. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Even without the six degrees of freedom support the new software and clip greatly improves regular 2D viewing which is the cool thing. It's much less jittery when you move around in your seat and more accurate even on the speedier edges of your profile which is a very welcome bonus! They use a much more accurate technique for calculating positional data using the new clip than was possible with one dot.

F19_Orheim
12-03-2004, 02:20 AM
I REAAAAAAAALY would like to see a movie clip from this device beeing used in the IL2-series. That might really convince me to upgrade from my TrackIR 1 to 3Pro, in which case I hope they bundle the products (version 3 and Vector thingy) for a good introduction price.