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alert_1
03-01-2007, 04:05 AM
It seems that polls are in vogue again so here is my little question

MEGILE
03-01-2007, 04:32 AM
Spitfire XIV

it's like, obscenely undermodelled

stathem
03-01-2007, 05:03 AM
Originally posted by Megile:
Spitfire XIV

it's like, obscenely undermodelled

+1

I've got a huge deja vu on this.

ploughman
03-01-2007, 05:09 AM
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It's about time those Roman numerals on the Mk VIX were arranged in the right order.

stathem
03-01-2007, 05:15 AM
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/MK14spit.jpg

stanford-ukded
03-01-2007, 05:22 AM
+264

*Splurt*

WTE_Ibis
03-01-2007, 05:27 AM
Originally posted by stathem:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/MK14spit.jpg

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That goes without saying, I mean you can see the extra drag on that. It's almost IN drag.
An effeminate little thing that gets all excited when it sees a hairy chested macho blue machine. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Brain32
03-01-2007, 05:39 AM
I like the poll choices http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Too bad this thread is infected by that...that...thing Stathem posted, I'll have to spend 2h in decontamination area now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

stathem
03-01-2007, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by Brain32:
I like the poll choices http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Too bad this thread is infected by that...that...thing Stathem posted, I'll have to spend 2h in decontamination area now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I've heard that that happens to blue pilots when they see one of those coming; no need for decontamination though, a good shower should get most of it off.

Friendly_flyer
03-01-2007, 06:29 AM
You forgot to include the Hurricane Mk. I in the list. We have the ratty old low compression export stuff. Also, it doens't turn fast enough, and stall out far too easy.

TheCrux
03-01-2007, 06:48 AM
Man oh man, I can't believe I'm a whiner now but....

The F6F and F4U. I can't believe the USN/USMC could have vanquished the Japanese in the air with the pigs as they exist in this sim.

AVGWarhawk
03-01-2007, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by TheCrux:
Man oh man, I can't believe I'm a whiner now but....

The F6F and F4U. I can't believe the USN/USMC could have vanquished the Japanese in the air with the pigs as they exist in this sim.

I believe some of the success was wingman tactics and radio communication between the two pilots.

Maple_Tiger
03-01-2007, 09:00 AM
I think the C-47 is undermodelled. In real life, it could reach moch 2. In this sim, you be lucky to reach 360km/h.
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thefruitbat
03-01-2007, 09:09 AM
Spit Mk9c25lbs.

Its way undermodelled. I read it was much better.

cheers fruitbat

Manu-6S
03-01-2007, 09:10 AM
Originally posted by TheCrux:
Man oh man, I can't believe I'm a whiner now but....

The F6F and F4U. I can't believe the USN/USMC could have vanquished the Japanese in the air with the pigs as they exist in this sim.

I can say you some statements that many people like tellin to FW whiners:

- "Learn to fly it"
- "Use your speed"
- "Use "slash" attacks"
- "After the attack you have to extend"
- "Work with your wingman"

BTW IMO F6s are porked like the Antons... "but I can still do well"

XyZspineZyX
03-01-2007, 09:47 AM
How many times does it need to be said that until we all fly these planes the way the real combatant countries trained their pilots to fly them, that we cannot use historical outcomes to judge our non-historical recreations of them?

AVGWarhawk
03-01-2007, 10:04 AM
I still thing the paint is over modeled in all the 190's offered on the list.

Lucius_Esox
03-01-2007, 10:17 AM
I've heard that that happens to blue pilots when they see one of those coming; no need for decontamination though, a good shower should get most of it off.


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biggs222
03-01-2007, 11:38 AM
Originally posted by stathem:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/MK14spit.jpg

"yes, I'll take one of those please"

mrsiCkstar
03-01-2007, 11:45 AM
I'd be careful when buying used old planes like that biggs... I mean dear me the right main gear is hannging half way out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

arrowtalon
03-01-2007, 11:49 AM
The 190's feel about right to me from what I've read, but I think the earlier versions are a bit sub-par and the later version are overmodelled.

Might be due to the lack of existing 190's around today...

WOLFMondo
03-01-2007, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by stathem:
http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/MK14spit.jpg

My only problem with that plane is it isn't modelled.

faustnik
03-01-2007, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by arrowtalon:
The 190's feel about right to me from what I've read, but I think the earlier versions are a bit sub-par and the later version are overmodelled.

Might be due to the lack of existing 190's around today...

What exactly have you read to base your conclusions on?

MEGILE
03-01-2007, 01:44 PM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arrowtalon:
The 190's feel about right to me from what I've read, but I think the earlier versions are a bit sub-par and the later version are overmodelled.

Might be due to the lack of existing 190's around today...

What exactly have you read to base your conclusions on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

easy tiger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/crackwhip.gif

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faustnik
03-01-2007, 02:19 PM
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VW-IceFire
03-01-2007, 02:20 PM
Yeah arrow there is new and still learning the ways of the forum http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Manu-6S
03-02-2007, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arrowtalon:
The 190's feel about right to me from what I've read, but I think the earlier versions are a bit sub-par and the later version are overmodelled.

Might be due to the lack of existing 190's around today...

What exactly have you read to base your conclusions on? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That guy claimed in another thread that ingame Bf109s don't suffer of the high speed control stiffness at all.

The things can be 2:
- He never flied german planes
OR
- He knows all and it's all a joke

In latter case: "Yes, you are right, our A8 is reallu overmodelled!!"

In the other case: go home and tried those damend planes.

msalama
03-02-2007, 05:11 AM
The most undermodelled? The Polikarpov U-2 of course. No cockpit http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

AKA_TAGERT
03-02-2007, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
It seems that polls are in vogue again so here is my little question My puppy has a cold nose

Klemm.co
03-02-2007, 07:09 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
It seems that polls are in vogue again so here is my little question My puppy has a cold nose </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, thats good for your puppy. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

GerritJ9
03-02-2007, 07:28 AM
Brewster B-239/F2A-2/Buffalo Mk.1 are all significantly undermodelled as far as top speed at altitude are concerned. F2A-2's max speed was 344 mph TAS at 16,000 ft approx (F2A Buffalo in action by Jim Maas among others) which would make it faster than A6M2, not slower; worst figure I have for Buffalo Mk.1 is 313 mph at 13,400 ft, faster than Ki.27 and Ki.43- yet at Buffalo's top speed both Ki.s still draw away in level flight in sim. Similar story for B-239. Perhaps 1C's developers were afraid of their MiGs, LaGGs, Yaks and others being well and truly clobbered by the B-239s as they were in real life????

joeap
03-02-2007, 12:32 PM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
Brewster B-239/F2A-2/Buffalo Mk.1 are all significantly undermodelled as far as top speed at altitude are concerned. F2A-2's max speed was 344 mph TAS at 16,000 ft approx (F2A Buffalo in action by Jim Maas among others) which would make it faster than A6M2, not slower; worst figure I have for Buffalo Mk.1 is 313 mph at 13,400 ft, faster than Ki.27 and Ki.43- yet at Buffalo's top speed both Ki.s still draw away in level flight in sim. Similar story for B-239. Perhaps 1C's developers were afraid of their MiGs, LaGGs, Yaks and others being well and truly clobbered by the B-239s as they were in real life????

Oh gawd people give it a rest! Why would 1C purposely piss off some customers to please others, I mean the Hellcat is probably too slow too, and I have heard there were far more FB/PF sales in the US than Japan. Again not saying you are not right, but what do you think the real reason for the high scores was? Pilot skill and motivation maybe?

AVGWarhawk
03-02-2007, 12:36 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
It seems that polls are in vogue again so here is my little question My puppy has a cold nose </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If it is cold and wet this would indicate good health therefore you are a great pet owner and poochie is in good hands http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif The puppy is not over modeled is he?

fordfan25
03-02-2007, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by mrsiCkstar:
I'd be careful when buying used old planes like that biggs... I mean dear me the right main gear is hannging half way out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif what do you expect its brit made http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif only thing worth a **** to come outa there was the tempist http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif


j/k

fordfan25
03-02-2007, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by alert_1:
It seems that polls are in vogue again so here is my little question My puppy has a cold nose </div></BLOCKQUOTE>stop licking it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

arrowtalon
03-02-2007, 12:57 PM
That guy claimed in another thread that ingame Bf109s don't suffer of the high speed control stiffness at all.

The things can be 2:
- He never flied german planes
OR
- He knows all and it's all a joke

In latter case: "Yes, you are right, our A8 is reallu overmodelled!!"

In the other case: go home and tried those damend planes.


Some people just like causing trouble... I credit it to too little attention from women...poor fellas.

The 109 does not lock up in-game as it should. This is one area where the 1% CFS line is more accurate. IL-2 has no way of modelling arm strength, fair enough, but I can still turn just fine with a 109. in reality, it would have been more like early symptoms of compressibility with the P-38. In-game, it just feels a little stiff.

I find that alot of the German users on here are a little too sympathetic to their fatherlands creations... I take the Spit debate as an example. The Spit won that debate over the 109 in 1940, yet it's still the most contested thing on this forum.

BrewsterPilot
03-02-2007, 01:03 PM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
You forgot to include the Hurricane Mk. I in the list. We have the ratty old low compression export stuff. Also, it doens't turn fast enough, and stall out far too easy.

Got track? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

La7_brook
03-02-2007, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by arrowtalon:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">That guy claimed in another thread that ingame Bf109s don't suffer of the high speed control stiffness at all.

The things can be 2:
- He never flied german planes
OR
- He knows all and it's all a joke

In latter case: "Yes, you are right, our A8 is reallu overmodelled!!"

In the other case: go home and tried those damend planes.


Some people just like causing trouble... I credit it to too little attention from women...poor fellas.

The 109 does not lock up in-game as it should. This is one area where the 1% CFS line is more accurate. IL-2 has no way of modelling arm strength, fair enough, but I can still turn just fine with a 109. in reality, it would have been more like early symptoms of compressibility with the P-38. In-game, it just feels a little stiff.

I find that alot of the German users on here are a little too sympathetic to their fatherlands creations... I take the Spit debate as an example. The Spit won that debate over the 109 in 1940, yet it's still the most contested thing on this forum. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> it did cheak fighter v fighter loss, very close u mite found

RAF74_Raptor
03-02-2007, 02:23 PM
The Avenger


HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Irish_Rogues
03-02-2007, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by La7_brook:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by arrowtalon:

I find that alot of the German users on here are a little too sympathetic to their fatherlands creations... I take the Spit debate as an example. The Spit won that debate over the 109 in 1940, yet it's still the most contested thing on this forum. it did cheak fighter v fighter loss, very close u mite found </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

How about having only 20 minutes of fuel in the combat zone? That had to hurt. I wonder how things might have gone if the shoe was on the other foot? I've often read that those two 1940 planes were pretty equal, along with the F's and Mk V's later.

Nothing is a sure, especially a sure thing. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VF2_Sarge
03-02-2007, 09:13 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
How many times does it need to be said that until we all fly these planes the way the real combatant countries trained their pilots to fly them, that we cannot use historical outcomes to judge our non-historical recreations of them?

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Manu-6S
03-03-2007, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by arrowtalon:
Some people just like causing trouble... I credit it to too little attention from women...poor fellas.


Don't worry, I have no problem with the other sex.. simply I like to reply to guys who like to make questions just knowing the answers.

Above all the guys who start several polls describing that the enemy planes are all overmodelled (+ or -, but surely overmodelled).

Guys who don't know that AI "cheat" (when did you buy Il2? some weeks ago I think), but came on a forum where these affairs are been discussed so long, claiming that the game is wrong (the enemy planes, obviously).

How do you know that "IL-2 has no way of modelling arm strength"? It has: the force of only a hand on the stick (don't remember how much lbs): 2 hands force is not simulated.


Originally posted by arrowtalon:
"The 109 does not lock up in-game as it should". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Read these and say to me WHY in the hell our late Bf109s lose controls authority at 450Km/h: http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/articles/109myths/#stickforce

At last you SEEM to be new here but strangly you claim that "alot of the German users on here are a little too sympathetic to their fatherlands creations... " http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

BtW I'm italian and I'm not so biased to defend the planes I fly because I try to be objective: the only FMs I REALLY hate are the Spit's, I16's and I153's FMs (that I call "the antigrav planes").

I can say to you that IMO F6s and F4Us are undermodelled and the G2 WAS overmodelled (since 4.08 I don't feel bf109s like before), the DM model of P47 are incorrect and and K4 climb to much. Not speaking about how mach the Buffalos are ****!!


Originally posted by arrowtalon:
The Spit won that debate over the 109 in 1940, yet it's still the most contested thing on this forum

I didn't know that "Spit won the BoB" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif I thought that (luckly) the german lost that battle because of antiquate bombers (he111), lack of range for the bf109 ( range who made great the P51s) and ABOVE ALL tactic failures.

Welcome here. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

JG52Karaya-X
03-03-2007, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by arrowtalon:
The 109 does not lock up in-game as it should. This is one area where the 1% CFS line is more accurate. IL-2 has no way of modelling arm strength, fair enough, but I can still turn just fine with a 109. in reality, it would have been more like early symptoms of compressibility with the P-38. In-game, it just feels a little stiff.

The Bf109 is easily amongst the planes with the worst high speed handling, how much stiffer do you want it to get, uncontrollable? It certainly wasnt like that in real life and the problem with IL2 is that you can only apply 1-arm force whereas in real life you could of course use both. On the other extreme stand planes like the P51 which show no signs of compression at all at any speed (contrary to real life accounts), want me to start on that one?


I find that alot of the German users on here are a little too sympathetic to their fatherlands creations... I take the Spit debate as an example. The Spit won that debate over the 109 in 1940, yet it's still the most contested thing on this forum.

LOL, and I guess YOU arent at all sympathetic to your worshiped P51 huh? I see, thats why you started this thread...

You just rant because you got shot down by plane XY in your favourite. Learn to fly the plane is all I can say. Keeping in mind that there are more than enough people who can be very successful in the P51 leads me to the impression that we are facing a "user-induced-problem" here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

About the Spit vs 109 in 1940: Guess the facts that the 109s only had 15min over England, and that when a German pilot had to bail out there was a high chance that he was captured or MIA (unless he was picked up by a rescue boat in the channel) doesnt play into this at all...

Oh and, most kills during the BoB were achieved by the Hurricane not the Spit, and last but not least the Bf109 shot down more Spits than vice versa http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Termitedelight
03-03-2007, 04:08 AM
Stathem, that is a beautiful picture of a MkXIVE Spit! I find the D9 undermodelled. I wish the MkXIVE Spitfire were in the inventory. Stathem got me going!

AH_Gonzo
03-03-2007, 05:03 PM
My vote for the most under modelled aircraft in the game goes to...

The one I happen to be flying at any given time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

joeap
03-03-2007, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:

Oh and, most kills during the BoB were achieved by the Hurricane not the Spit, and last but not least the Bf109 shot down more Spits than vice versa http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Indeed, I thought the most serious LW losses were in fact the bombers, their crew were also lost and hurt more than the fighter crew losses, which were less (and more crew per plane with a Heinkel or Dornier).