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stanford-ukded
07-27-2007, 04:58 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365675/


Trailer: Uber and hi-res:

http://www.pixomondo.com/web/showreel/index.htm

Looks CGI-tastic! I bet it's going to make "FlyBoys" look like a movie for Pansy's. Mind you, I did spot a worrying scene in the above trailer featuring a lady in a plane. I'm hoping it's not going to bring on the whole Kate Beckinsale ala Pearl Harbour story line.

stanford-ukded
07-27-2007, 04:58 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365675/


Trailer: Uber and hi-res:

http://www.pixomondo.com/web/showreel/index.htm

Looks CGI-tastic! I bet it's going to make "FlyBoys" look like a movie for Pansy's. Mind you, I did spot a worrying scene in the above trailer featuring a lady in a plane. I'm hoping it's not going to bring on the whole Kate Beckinsale ala Pearl Harbour story line.

Waldo.Pepper
07-27-2007, 05:05 AM
Thanks for the heads up - but I've got a bad feeling about this one.

I saw no evidence of a plot.
The performance of he planes seems to exceed WW2 planes.
And then there's the chick you spotted.

Jagdgeschwader2
07-27-2007, 05:21 AM
Looks like Hollywood to me. Hope I'm wrong. As Waldo pointed out the movement of the CGI planes looks way too fast and unnatural. Chicks in the plane from the get-go. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gifhttp://home.earthlink.net/~jagdgeschwader26/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/wchand.gif

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Hawgdog
07-27-2007, 05:22 AM
Oh noes, I see a love story intertwined in.
And I hope the entire dog fighting scenes in the 90 minute movie were just shown in the trailer!
I'll see it be sure

stanford-ukded
07-27-2007, 05:38 AM
It's a German film, not Hollywood.

Jagdgeschwader2
07-27-2007, 05:42 AM
Just saying it has a Hollywood action movie look to it from the trailer. Again I hope I'm wrong.


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stanford-ukded
07-27-2007, 05:45 AM
Me too. But none the less, it has huge potential. For a start "The Red Baron" did actually exist, so we could be on to a winner.

I've been waiting years for a proper film entitled "Trafalgar" or "Nelson". Master and Commander went down so well when it came out I really had high hopes something would materialise.

Jagdgeschwader2
07-27-2007, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">

I've been waiting years for a proper film entitled "Trafalgar" or "Nelson". Master and Commander went down so well when it came out I really had high hopes something would materialise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree 100%. I loved Master & Commander. The story of Lord Nelson would be fantastic.

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Kurfurst__
07-27-2007, 05:54 AM
It looks quite good actually, the behaviour of the plane is quite good as well, far far better and real-world like than the X-wings in PH or FBoys..

It's a pleasant surprise that it's a German movie. The more recent historical films from Germany are of outstanding quality : Das Boot, Der Untergang, Napola, Das Leben des Anderens (a must see if I haven't seen that..) are world-class films with great acting and direction. I hope Der Rote Baron will be in the same class, and not in the other class of German 'historical' films : an unbearable syrup of Biedermayer über-romanticism.

BTW, there was a a film on the Red Baron, made some time ago, perhaps in the 1980s..? Wasn't too bad from what I recall, but pretty avarage.

FritzGryphon
07-27-2007, 05:56 AM
Didn't you know? WWI was just one non-stop furball on the deck with stuff exploding everywhere.

HuninMunin
07-27-2007, 06:02 AM
Mixed feelings here.
On one hand it is known that a love story will play a major part in the movie and on Richthofens mind; on the other hand just look at the planes and paintshemes.
When was the last time you saw a real looking Albatros D V or a Dr I in accurate colours?

It shure looks a whole lot better then Flyboys
in terms of CG and atmosphere ( the moves don't look too "arcade" to me; a great deal of this impression comes through the cinematography in my opinion), even in this early stage.

Even if the story sucks badly it will have the first real god WW1 air fighting since decades.

What's to worry, really?

Friendly_flyer
07-27-2007, 06:14 AM
The woman in the plane has a man behind her, presumably in the pilot/instructor seat. I would guess it is the young baron trying to impress Käte, which wouldn't be too far off. Considering she's played by Lena Headey, I'm willing to suffer a few minutes ;-)

Like Kurfy, I quite like the flying scenes too. Yes, they could turn down the speed a bit, but the planes themselves looked very good!

Matz0r
07-27-2007, 06:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I saw no evidence of a plot.
The performance of he planes seems to exceed WW2 planes.
And then there's the chick you spotted. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not the official trailer, it's just a promotional clip of the special effects put together by the CGI creators for the movie.

waffen-79
07-27-2007, 07:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
Mind you, I did spot a worrying scene in the above trailer featuring a lady in a plane. I'm hoping it's not going to bring on the whole Kate Beckinsale ala Pearl Harbour story line. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well I don't mind that, this girl was the Queen of Sparta in '300' and she's hot!!! as was Kate Beckinsale

stanford-ukded
07-27-2007, 07:05 AM
I don't mind beautiful women being in war films. I just don't like war films based around beautiful women. Saying that there are some exceptions, Black Book immediately springs to mind.

It also helps if they get their kit off.

M_Gunz
07-27-2007, 07:43 AM
Will the Germans have more than one type of fighter and not all painted red?

TgD Thunderbolt56
07-27-2007, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
I don't mind beautiful women being in war films. I just don't like war films based around beautiful women. Saying that there are some exceptions, Black Book immediately springs to mind.

It also helps if they get their kit off. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Klemm.co
07-27-2007, 08:21 AM
Didn't you watch the trailer? There were two or so different red planes and that was it. Presumably both flown by the Red Baron. And this one wont be a second Flyboys. I hope.

harryklein66
07-27-2007, 08:37 AM
no it will be "Fliege Jungen", I fear... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

the flare shot on the baloon , and the Mach 2 dive through the clouds are ridiculous. The CG look nice though.

Friendly_flyer
07-27-2007, 09:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by harryklein66:
the flare shot on the baloon (was) ridiculous. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wouldn't a flare set off a hydrogen balloon?

berg417448
07-27-2007, 09:27 AM
After going to the web site and reading the synopsis of the plot....I can say that it sounds like a load of dung:

"When he realizes that, due to the military's abuse of him for purposes of propaganda , he has led hundreds of thousands of soldiers, who blindly idolize him, to their doom, Manfred von Richtofen decides to withdraw from being the object of hero worship...but with tragic consequences."
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http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/

R_Target
07-27-2007, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
After going to the web site and reading the synopsis of the plot....I can say that it sounds like a load of dung: </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought the same thing. Manfred turns peacenik. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif The film will look nice though.

arjisme
07-27-2007, 11:45 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by harryklein66:
[...] and the Mach 2 dive through the clouds are ridiculous. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>That was one of the things I groaned at too. A near vertical dive for that length of time and then a sharp pull out? I didn't think those kites could do that.

Also, several scenes were quite dense with the numbers of aircraft in a given area. That one wide angle shot seemed to show the air full of dogfighting aircraft from horizon to horizon. Kind of reminded me of the Star Wars trend with each new release depicting busier and busier battle scenes.

Manu-6S
07-27-2007, 12:17 PM
Remember that those planes were very fast too (how many times you reach 200km/h in your car?): probably IL2 can't reproduce speed very well since going at 600km/h you feel like at 300km/h.

I like that video.. maybe that recover from the dive is too tight, yes.

Kurfurst__
07-27-2007, 12:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
After going to the web site and reading the synopsis of the plot....I can say that it sounds like a load of dung:

"When he realizes that, due to the military's abuse of him for purposes of propaganda , he has led hundreds of thousands of soldiers, who blindly idolize him, to their doom, Manfred von Richtofen decides to withdraw from being the object of hero worship...but with tragic consequences."
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http://www.redbaron-themovie.com/ </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is this the same Manfred who wrote that:

'When I shoot down one Englishmen, my urge to hunt is satisfied for half an hour'.

I don't know much about WW1 and the elder von Richthofen, but from my readings it appeared that he organised literal manhunts in the air to be that all the 3 famous Richthofen's character was quite a bit closer to Hannibal Lecter than this fellow portayed in the synopsis who suddenly gets enlightened. Sir Hopkins would make a great Red Baron, if he'd be a bit younger. From what I gather, his lil' brother Lothar was a berserker type OTOH. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Not to speak of Wolfram who probably asked from Santa in every year that HQ would let him flatten out a city completely. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

That silly Politikal Korrektneß, I kinda hate these kind of stupid moral stories..

I want the real Baron Hark... err, Richthofen.

huggy87
07-27-2007, 12:59 PM
I disagree. From reading his autobiography he seemed decent enough.

Hawgdog
07-27-2007, 01:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
It's a German film, not Hollywood. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait...so, Germany wins this one?

Crash_Moses
07-27-2007, 02:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I want the real Baron Hark... err, Richthofen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you about to say Harkonnen? As in Baron Vladimir Harkonnen?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/Crash_Moses/BaronVladimirHarkonnen.jpg

nervouspete
07-27-2007, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Crash_Moses:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I want the real Baron Hark... err, Richthofen. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you about to say Harkonnen? As in Baron Vladimir Harkonnen?

</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It'd be interesting to see what Vladimir's portly mass would have on the air-dynamics of a Fokker!

P.S: I love Dune, not a big fan of the sequels/prequels though.

Krt_Bong
07-27-2007, 06:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by berg417448:
After going to the web site and reading the synopsis of the plot....I can say that it sounds like a load of dung:

"When he realizes that, due to the military's abuse of him for purposes of propaganda , he has led hundreds of thousands of soldiers, who blindly idolize him, to their doom, Manfred von Richtofen decides to withdraw from being the object of hero worship...but with tragic consequences."
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


Firstly none of you have seen but 30 seconds of Special FX work and really don't have a clue to the life of Baron Von Richtofen, you see a girl in the plane and say "Oh that never happened" like you were there and someone as famous in his day as a Movie Star is now wouldn't get laid once in a while or have a girlfriend.. please you really need to read up on your history a little and get some info behind you before you start making your case on something you haven't seen.
The financing for the film came exclusively from well-to-do private individuals living in the state of Baden-Wuerttemberg and was raised by the Stuttgart-based film financing and production house Niama Film, which was established by director Muellerschoen with partners Thomas Reisser, Roland Pellegrino and Dan Maas. Whether or not there is a "love story" in the plot it is an attempt at a historically based movie about a real person and how he lived which might explain how a girl of all things could possibly bear some influence on a young mans life in the midst of a horrifying bloody war.

Divine-Wind
07-27-2007, 06:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
I've been waiting years for a proper film entitled "Trafalgar" or "Nelson". Master and Commander went down so well when it came out I really had high hopes something would materialise. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
M&C was a great movie. I've been wanting to find some of the books to read ever since.

I really hope they don't go the Hollywood route with this movie. It's a German production though, and as Kurfurst pointed out, they have made quite a few good historical movies lately.

Luke5skywalker4
07-27-2007, 07:26 PM
I think this looks pretty good. German films regarding history are top notch. Now I await the day for a Luftwaffe WW2 film http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Watching that makes me wish Oleg and Team could do a WW1 era update or expansion after BoB is released http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

KG66_Gog
07-27-2007, 07:34 PM
Just so long as they show the Baron getting his comeuppance via a bullet from a Australian machine gun I'll be happy to go watch it.

arjisme
07-27-2007, 08:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Divine-Wind:
I've been wanting to find some of the books to read ever since. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Is Amazon not an option?

Divine-Wind
07-27-2007, 09:50 PM
Never much liked jungles and rainforests, to be honest.

HuninMunin
07-28-2007, 06:47 AM
I can only recommend "Der Rote Kampfflieger".
Although it was ment for propaganda purposes you can still read between the lines that Richthofen was not a die hard killer.
He rather became this way with the numbers of enemy threats rising.
Lothar was a pretty krass fellow...

Here (http://www.richthofen.com/) you can read a decent online version ( english ) for free.

Kurfurst__
07-29-2007, 06:17 AM
I have a question for German members, who have seen the movie "Napola - Elite für den Führer".

At the beginning of the movie, there's a Napola stundent coming into the prepearing room before the box match. He speaks some awfully distorted German (I think, sounds more like Dutch, LOL). "i'h hir nix." and such.

What sort of accent was that? Prussian..?

PS : The granade-throwing exercise was one hell of a scene... amazing piece of camera work giving back how everybody getting more and more unnerved... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

DuxCorvan
07-29-2007, 06:55 AM
Mmmmm, What was that? There were never such a dense amount of planes in the air at the same time, in ww1. How many planes are in those scenes? 400? C'mon, the sky was so crowded with blazing machines and explosions that I thought I was watching the beginning of 'Star Wars: Attack of the Clones'.

And the performance of those CGI planes was ridiculous. No ww1 plane could have made such high-speed violent aerobatics without breaking apart. The supersonic dive was specially stupid.

The CGI quality varies from photorrealistic superb to gamey, cartoonish and evident. The flaming balloon was specially faulty and smelled to cheap CGI every second.

I'm afraid they're becoming tempted to increase the 'spectacular' factor till childish amounts.

Ruy Horta
07-29-2007, 07:33 AM
The clip condenses a lot of action, but apart from some minor issues I thought it pretty realistic (certainly more eye to detail than I've ever seen before in a WW1 (air)movie).

This is 1917/18, the German air service did concentrate its forces where they were needed at the front, which would lead to aerial superiority or at parity.

As both sides at least concentrated at the front, it would naturally mean big aerial fights involving many squadrons.

Now add the lower speed and it not far fetched that these fights took place in a relatively small area of airspace.

40 a/c in a condensed aerospace vs 400 a/c stretched over miles.

Now regardless of the plot, this movie will be a must buy on DVD from the word go (at least for me).

leitmotiv
07-29-2007, 07:49 AM
As usual, you either stick your head in a garbage disposal or you maintain standards. I am not so desperate for "aerial thrills and chills" that I will slog through a film made with a poitical agenda in mind which takes absurdist liberties with the character of Manfred von Richthofen. What next? Marshal Blucher the closet francophile actually tried to lose at Waterloo to save his hero Bonaparte? Clausewitz was actually a proto-Marxist---the true story? Von Schlieffen really wanted Germany to lose---he secretly told the lesser von Moltke to weaken the right wing?

HuninMunin
07-29-2007, 08:24 AM
@Kurfy
I think the guy you are refering to is of bavarian origin.
We folks from the Rhine don't understand 'em either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As I said before I don't think the flying scenes are "too" far out there.
Look at helicopter shots from other movies and you will perfectly see that 150 to 200 km/h look hell fast on screen.
That dive looks perfect in that relation to me.
And c'mon Leit - give it a chance for the biplanes sake http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

leitmotiv
07-29-2007, 10:09 AM
Piffle.

Kurfurst__
07-29-2007, 10:11 AM
Thanks Hunin' ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

MEGILE
07-29-2007, 10:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Piffle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

fneb?

Ruy Horta
07-29-2007, 11:11 AM
MOVIES do not equal documentaries

Tora Tora Tora is closest to docudrama and it is only okay as a movie.

Movies need drama, something that moves us.

If I need a sniff of realism I prefer documentaries, since I dislike docudrama reenactment.

HuninMunin
07-29-2007, 01:08 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by leitmotiv:
Piffle. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bitte?

DustyBarrels77
07-29-2007, 05:14 PM
special effects dont look that realistic movement wise and seems like it has oleg fms of rc planes.

the wing burning off looked neat but it had no fuel in the wing so why would wood and canvas explode? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

harryklein66
07-29-2007, 06:38 PM
because German used explosive and incendiary bullets .

Interminate
07-29-2007, 07:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Hawgdog:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by stanford-ukded:
It's a German film, not Hollywood. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wait...so, Germany wins this one? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


I wish.

This will be good because it is German-made, although they should avoid the peacenik stuff and remain objective. But it will definitely be more objective than the hollywood junk that has been cranked out for decades. Looking forward to this one.

Interminate
07-29-2007, 07:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KG66_Gog:
Just so long as they show the Baron getting his comeuppance via a bullet from a Australian machine gun I'll be happy to go watch it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just so long as you and everyone else get their comeuppance.