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VPF_Jetdoc
05-22-2006, 02:46 PM
was wondering and this not meant to start a fight or making anyone madd but if this law passes in the US that prevents NG or anyone screwing with OLeg ever again will we might see the Heavys crossing fingers and may wishful thinking

Bobsqueek
05-22-2006, 02:51 PM
In a word. No.

FritzGryphon
05-22-2006, 02:53 PM
Hoping for new heavies in this game is wishful thinking, yes.

But remember, it was always time and labour, not legal issues, that prevented their inclusion in IL-2 series.

Maybe in BoB addons we'll see more. BoB itself will have a lot of medium bombers in it.

DHC2Pilot
05-22-2006, 09:33 PM
Probably not - We'll probably get a couple more planes which are modeled by third parties after the release of the 3 'official' add-ons, but very unlikely that they will be heavies. If they made one (say for the sake of argument for the U.S.), they would have to make one for Germany, Russia, Japan, etc. to even things up. I spend my time hoping for a few planes to fill in the voids - i.e. Helldiver, Kate/Jill, Fokker, etc. It'd be great to have some heavies in the mix, but I think that'll have to wait until BoB is out.

Afreaka
05-22-2006, 11:42 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
Hoping for new heavies in this game is wishful thinking, yes.But remember, it was always time and labour, not legal issues, that prevented their inclusion in IL-2 series.Maybe in BoB addons we'll see more. BoB itself will have a lot of medium bombers in it.
Equally the game engine was never intended to support multi-station aircrafts to begin with. Least that is what I remember. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

triggerhappyfin
05-23-2006, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by Afreaka:Originally posted by Afreaka:
Equally the game engine was never intended to support multi-station aircrafts to begin with. Least that is what I remember.


Actually we already got some multi-station aircraft.
As I recall, Oleg already let some 3:rd part developers take care of addons. There´s infact a WW1 simulator in the pipes, coming soon. Based on IL-2 engine. Perhaps these thirdpart developers will keep IL-2 series going for years to come. I think IL-2 series will live some while still after BoB´s released, as BoB will demand a lot of our equipment. One other aspect is that IL-2 series has come far from the start, developmentwise. Adding some planes to IL-2 series makes a lot more difference for the game, in the direction of options for depicting some new battles. In comparison of BoB whitch will be released with a lot scarce number f flyables. Although better modeled but still a few.
IL-2 series will in years to come be the sim that let us create servers online with a variety of battle scenarios and a greate variaty of aircraft involved. There are some thousend of online pilots enjoying the game every night on HL. To this I have to add there are an increasing number of new guys all the time filling the ranks(atleast this is my view)

The wish for multiengine aircraft should be directed to these new actors on the market instead of Oleg, who is concentrating on the development of the new gameengine(and has been the latest years). Best way should be by pointing out the possibility of making some $´s in the development of such addons.

Afreaka
05-23-2006, 04:17 PM
Originally posted by triggerhappyfin:
Actually we already got some multi-station aircraft. ....

Sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif
Here is from the patch notes what in part prompted me to reply among other lapses of memory from previous discussions.
"Ju-88 Notes:

Top Rear Gunners.

Unfortunately, the Il-2 / FB / PF code was never intended for a single crewman alternating between firing positions due to online gameplay limitations."
Among your other oberservations I hope your right. Especially in the light of the relentless march of hardware performance filling the online il-2 sky. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

triggerhappyfin
05-25-2006, 02:48 AM
Afreaka! It´s about the Ju-88 double aftgunner position. The gunner IRL operated double gunning positions and that´s beyond limits of the gameengine. Otherwise we already have planes as He-111, B-25 and so forth, whitch actually has multiple crew positions modeled http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif.

Afreaka
05-25-2006, 07:52 AM
triggerhappyfin !
Thank you for setting the future straight. Until then have an orange, it's on me. Goodbye http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Snootles
05-28-2006, 02:41 PM
Good thing is, BoB is being designed to support "heavy" multiplace planes from the get-go. What with the Blenheim, Ju-88, and BR.20 cockpit shots I've seen.

WarWolfe_1
05-29-2006, 12:08 AM
IL-2/PF lacks maps large enough to support Heavys too. you would have to fly around the map in circles to reach 25,000Ft in a heavy.


As much as I wish for them too, I can see the point in not having them now.

Even in BoB we still wont have true heavies, I think anyways. Its more about fighters than Dropping bombs from High Alt.

Fighterduck
05-29-2006, 11:56 AM
but why we cant have differents version of the b-25? we hve tons of spit,bf,Fw and others fighters..but only a single version of b-25.If we cant have heavy in Pf...meaby a second version of b-25 would be a great idea.

WarWolfe_1
05-30-2006, 06:19 PM
Originally posted by Fighterduck:
but why we cant have differents version of the b-25? we hve tons of spit,bf,Fw and others fighters..but only a single version of b-25.If we cant have heavy in Pf...meaby a second version of b-25 would be a great idea.

A very good idea indeed! I've wondered the samething.

B-26, A-26, PV-1/2, Catalina, P-61, A-20G(4 20mm cannon), B-25H, and many more.

Fighterduck
06-03-2006, 03:00 AM
the H version would be great! Awesome ground attack machine!...

http://www.midwaysailor2.com/edenprairie/mitchell-036b.jpg

awesome! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

gdfo
06-03-2006, 04:54 AM
While you are wishing for heavies, also wish for an Avenger for the US fleet.

realpointman
06-05-2006, 01:42 PM
I would still give a left kidney for the flyable B-17, Avenger, or other bomber/torp planes that in my opinion should be in this sim.

JungleGeorge061
06-05-2006, 01:56 PM
Nothing like the feel of a fist full of throttles in the morning.
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Snootles
06-05-2006, 01:59 PM
I wouldn't want to see a flyable B-17 in Il-2, because the maps aren't big enough to do the plane justice. And I bet instead of even trying to do the Norden sight, they'd just stick the German Lofte bombsight in there like they did for the B-25 and G4M.

Now in BoB, on the other hand...

Kernow
06-08-2006, 03:19 PM
Some of the maps are big enough - eg, Gulf of Finland - although, of course, nothing like big enough for anything like a max range mission. But you could say that of the B-25, He-111, G4M too (and even the Mustang, Bf-110, P-38...)

Even so, with an air start you could get an hour of flying done going across some maps without any zig-zagging. The average player would still run out of attention span before you ran out of map. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif