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Pr0metheus 1962
11-20-2007, 12:41 AM
When playing the game the first time I tried to avoid any killing of innocents, but on my second run-through I'm finding the madmen, drunks and beggars extremely annoying. Today I killed three beggars and yesterday I think I killed a couple of lunatics. I just hate it when I'm wandering along and suddenly get punched for no reason. Responding in kind doesn't seem to satisfy my need for revenge.

Today I was trying to pickpocket and those bloody beggar women asking for money kept getting in the way. It's just impossible to pickpocket with those beggars around. So they got a taste of my concealed blade - very satisfying.

Does anyone else engage in this guilty pleasure, or do other players consider it completely taboo?

marinius
11-20-2007, 12:53 AM
I'm playing through the game for the first time now, trying hard not to let my annoyance with the beggars and the loonies get the better of me. Next time though, like you do, I'm sure I'll be wasting quite a few of them. It's maddening how these crazies come up and smack you in the head for no apparent reason, especially since they don't seem to be bothering anybody else.

EggPlanted
11-20-2007, 02:19 AM
This might sound evil but at first, I ignored the begger women. Then I shoved them down; finally because I became annoyed with them especially during missions, and this is where the evil part comes in, I would snuff them out.
"Beggers" ? Please ! They sound like demanders if you listen to their ramblings ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

And just today, I was at the Poor District where I have encountered a drunk. The first time he hit Altair, I let it go. The second time when the same drunk hit him again to the point of Altair ending up hitting his head on the wall, that's when I had to take action and took the drunk out. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

It's almost like or exactly like playing GTA and to me it's a taboo guilty pleasure.

Mister.Crow
11-20-2007, 02:25 AM
I don't bother anyone except for when someone pushes me.
They won't even get a second chance, stupid lunatics pushing me on the ground will die before they can even respond to me running towards them in high profile to make a loud assaination.

BlackRabbit
11-20-2007, 02:28 AM
This is actually the first sandbox game where I don't get enjoyment from slaughtering the masses.

Guards? Oh yeah, I will get into random battles with them all day long. But the people? they're more just like..the terrain in my mind...I enjoy running them over and stuff, but the killing...Doesn't do it for me.

(Granted I've killed my share of annoying/pushy Drunk guys)

Besides man, obey the Creed. Lol.

Transparanoia
11-20-2007, 02:30 AM
Loooooooooooooooooooooool. Everyone really overreacts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Steelhandchun
11-20-2007, 03:41 AM
Killing the drunks and lunatic doesnt do it for me, grabbing them and ramming them into walls does it for me. Also a nice punch in the face.
For the beggars, i like to draw my sword, they run like the wind after that.

thetechnobear
11-20-2007, 04:08 AM
whats the deal with Tenant 1 though?

i got desyncronised yesterday, when i killed 2 (perhaps 3) innocents in a row!

note: they had it coming, i think it was 2 drunks pushing me... and then a beggar obstructing me - i had no choice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Bobzer77
11-20-2007, 04:13 AM
I dont kill them, they dont deserve to be killed by altair, although they do deserve to be thrown into stalls, walls, off roofs and into large bodies of water. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Ctrl-Alt-Kill
11-20-2007, 04:14 AM
I think its a taboo if your seen killing but a HUGE pleasure to kill them and walk away. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

With the beggers I like to walk slowly if you do it right they should follow you for a long time. Let the crys of "coins sir, COINS, I only want some COINS." fill your ears till you can only hear the pounding of your own fury, it will make the kill all that more satisfying. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Lead the begger to to a secluded spot then strike! If done right you will even have time to offer a small prayer to the "saved". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

For drunks and 'Mentals' I like to slam them into market stalls or scaffolding, show the peasants who is boss!!

I must say I am loving this game I don't even care about the story... but then I'm just evil.



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pietjevlip
11-20-2007, 05:36 AM
I thought AC wasn't supposed to be sandbox, but a flowerbox... and flowers are for nice people... now where are the nice people in AC?

Chiefslaughter
11-20-2007, 05:43 AM
I kill innocents for fun, no reason at all.

-Chief

Malmer_DK
11-20-2007, 05:46 AM
Beggars I just throw away, gladly into another beggar, into a wall or over a bench or something.

Madmen, on the other hand, I punch till they go down.

Steef7
11-20-2007, 05:52 AM
no i am more like a medevil spider-man i look for guards attcking innocents and take them out, my guilty pleasure is killing "innocent" guards.

Ctrl-Alt-Kill
11-20-2007, 05:57 AM
Originally posted by pietjevlip:
I thought AC wasn't supposed to be sandbox, but a flowerbox... and flowers are for nice people... now where are the nice people in AC?

I am nice, I only make sure they feel a small amount of pain. I like to think of it as mercy killing, if you have no money what kind of life could you lead?

Might as well end it now, JŚ?

Robbinho1992
11-20-2007, 08:55 AM
I went around killing everyone i saw with the hidden blade as you dont lose Sync...Pretty damn fun. But i have saved all the cicizens before so im a nice person.

pietjevlip
11-20-2007, 08:59 AM
Originally posted by Ctrl-Alt-Kill:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by pietjevlip:
I thought AC wasn't supposed to be sandbox, but a flowerbox... and flowers are for nice people... now where are the nice people in AC?

I am nice, I only make sure they feel a small amount of pain. I like to think of it as mercy killing, if you have no money what kind of life could you lead?

Might as well end it now, JŚ? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess you're right... since Altair can't simply give them enough money to buy a decent PC, life sucks bigtime for those poor LDGFN-people... LOL

maddog111
11-20-2007, 09:12 AM
DUDES YOU SHOULDNT let some noob beggers and drunks hit you..cus ur ALTAIR!!!...If i were u i would always take my hidden blade and Stab Stab Stab Stab in the freakin head skulls!!!

chickmgnt222
11-20-2007, 09:50 AM
I kill the street preachers if I don't like what they are saying.

Chay216
11-20-2007, 10:16 AM
I only kill the 9 main targets. I don't interrogate because altair automatically kills the person and avoid all the guards. It's still a lot of fun and it really builds up the main assassination. The screams of people getting killed are just way to realistic. They scream in agony for like 2 minutes. You might think showing remorse in a video game is weird but I think games are getting so realistic people won't be able to help it. I also try to submerge myself in the world to make it more fun and that is why I don't play a sociopath. I wish everyone didn't think mass killing is bad ***. I think showing reserve and patience shows true power.

Chay216
11-20-2007, 10:18 AM
I'll admit the first time I played it though I did kill guards because the combat system is awesome, but not to the extent of some people.

Subba_
11-20-2007, 10:34 AM
It gets boring after a while. I don't bother with it anymore.

luke100
11-20-2007, 10:34 AM
whenever that damn hobo woman comes near me i just throw her to the ground and then if she retaliates i show her what my short sword can do!

DWilliams11
11-20-2007, 03:15 PM
I usually don't kill the innocents... Usually a swift punch to the face or a hard throw into a wall will suffice.

If the guards decide that I'm an enemy though and start messing with me... and i'm feeling a little psychotic... I'll proceed to have a blood bath right there in the street... I think once I had about 100 dead guards strewn about. Each time one would come up to investigate I'd just whip out my sword and run him through on his first attempt at me.... ahh...

Rogue4152
11-20-2007, 04:07 PM
if you listen to the acre beggers they kinda sing happily a little...

" my familys sick-n-dying"

then sadly

"could you spare a few coins?"

Guild_Assassin
11-20-2007, 04:34 PM
I don't mind getting clocked by drunks or madmen...I'm usually in a hurry to get somewhere anyway and I just bounce off and continue on my way (your basic "mosh-pit" fundamentals...). However, anyone that impedes my progress I have a problem with. That being said - the beggar lady gets the shiv without hesitation!!!

"I'm suuuuu 'ungry...I neeeeed muuuuney"

DIE!!!!

Zain0
11-20-2007, 04:39 PM
I just hold the gentle push button when the beggars come near me so I just keep walking straight and they walk away but whenever I go near a drunk/mental person, I make sure to take out my hidden blade and assassinate them before they push me.. because they've interrupted my information missions plenty of times xD

Sidney1932
11-20-2007, 04:40 PM
I kill all guards on the roofs.

I also kill all the street preachers talking about fighting the infidel King Richard. I might let them live but I'm sick of hearing the same speech over and over.

I'd like to kill the crazies since they have it out for me and me alone but there's usually too many guards about.

Guild_Assassin
11-20-2007, 04:43 PM
Originally posted by Sidney1932:
I kill all guards on the roofs.

I also kill all the street preachers talking about fighting the infidel King Richard. I might let them live but I'm sick of hearing the same speech over and over.

I'd like to kill the crazies since they have it out for me and me alone but there's usually too many guards about.

Yeah - great point! Death...the ultimate MUTE button.

Faylinks
11-20-2007, 05:12 PM
well its a game, not life, i kill them or throw them to the ground to get them out of my way

Merc_G
11-20-2007, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by BlackRabbit:
This is actually the first sandbox game where I don't get enjoyment from slaughtering the masses.

Guards? Oh yeah, I will get into random battles with them all day long. But the people? they're more just like..the terrain in my mind...I enjoy running them over and stuff, but the killing...Doesn't do it for me.

(Granted I've killed my share of annoying/pushy Drunk guys)

Besides man, obey the Creed. Lol.


Originally posted by Chay216:
I only kill the 9 main targets. I don't interrogate because altair automatically kills the person and avoid all the guards. It's still a lot of fun and it really builds up the main assassination. The screams of people getting killed are just way to realistic. They scream in agony for like 2 minutes. You might think showing remorse in a video game is weird but I think games are getting so realistic people won't be able to help it. I also try to submerge myself in the world to make it more fun and that is why I don't play a sociopath. I wish everyone didn't think mass killing is bad ***. I think showing reserve and patience shows true power.

I respect where you guys are coming from. It's always much more satisfying in a game to try to role-play as much as you would respond in real life, or to role-play to what the game requires of you.

However, saying that, i must admit, I've killed a few drunks and mentally ill just for exposing my position in a timed assassin run for the Informer. It's quite annoying especially later in the game where you have 5 targets in under 5 minutes, only to be pushed into a solider on the final kill, hence having to restart!

Also, I sometimes kill the towncryers in Acre bigging up The Good King Richard.. haha

Expired_Exile
11-20-2007, 09:10 PM
yes i can relate to what everyone is saying. I get so pissed when i'm doing a side-mission and then them lil mofo's expose my position by pushing me. I never killed one though.. but got so.... close. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif // and the damn begger ladies, i'd give her a couple coins if she'd give me something in return http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

one thing that also pisses me off.. if u go to rough someone up to interogate, and u hit them, but them one of the knife thugs walk by, they jump you. Got me very mad, yes. Kudos devs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Kaxen6
11-20-2007, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by Expired_Exile:
one thing that also pisses me off.. if u go to rough someone up to interogate, and u hit them, but them one of the knife thugs walk by, they jump you. Got me very mad, yes. Kudos devs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

I noticed that. I was beating somebody up and then one of the knife carrying thugs is about to beat me up for beating the town crier (or whatever he is) up... thank god I had just hit him enough to get him to talk... @_@

I haven't played enough or have more of an internal sense of ethics than I think I do or both, while I find the beggar lady and the crazy guy annoying, I haven't yet felt compelled to kill them.

ScytheOfGrim
11-20-2007, 09:26 PM
Guilty pleasure?
Ha! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

When you've done it as much as I have, then it's more like anger management. xD

Warrior-Within2
11-20-2007, 09:28 PM
I killed a lunatic today and my friend was at my house. The camera zoomed right up the guys face and we saw an extremely detailed shot of the blade entering his throat and leaving with a splatter of blood. We both yelled sweet...

ScytheOfGrim
11-20-2007, 09:30 PM
So many sadists on this forum... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Anybody want to become Hiafolicious? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Raxxit
11-21-2007, 12:18 AM
I know what you mean about the interrogation. I must have picked the wrong place to jump him, but I ended up fighting the speaker and four of the thugs at the same time. Too bad you can't counter punch too, or that would have been a lot easier.

strugglingcomic
11-21-2007, 12:36 AM
My last killing spree lasted 109 civilians.

That spot outside the gates of Jerusalem is great.

xELITEGUNNERx
11-21-2007, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by Beeryus:
When playing the game the first time I tried to avoid any killing of innocents, but on my second run-through I'm finding the madmen, drunks and beggars extremely annoying. Today I killed three beggars and yesterday I think I killed a couple of lunatics. I just hate it when I'm wandering along and suddenly get punched for no reason. Responding in kind doesn't seem to satisfy my need for revenge.

Today I was trying to pickpocket and those bloody beggar women asking for money kept getting in the way. It's just impossible to pickpocket with those beggars around. So they got a taste of my concealed blade - very satisfying.

Does anyone else engage in this guilty pleasure, or do other players consider it completely taboo?


i know what u mean i was near the sea and the lunatic people kept pushing me in the water so i stabbed them

JehovahSoldier
11-21-2007, 01:36 AM
I also try to submerge myself in the world to make it more fun and that is why I don't play a sociopath. [QUOTE]
That is exactly how I feel. The first time through, (which is now) I want to get the full experience. Actually follow the creed. Act as Altair would. (well how he should http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif) Not just run around and mass kill... If that was all I wanted I wouldn't get this game. I feel the need to be stealthy. It is such a great feeling to go through and just be a shadow.

[QUOTE]I wish everyone didn't think mass killing is bad ***. I think showing reserve and patience shows true power.
The ability to restrain ones self in the midst of overwhelming desire is the mark of true power. For that shows power over ones self. And only when you have mastered yourself will you be able to master others. Being able to go through the game subtlely and without mass killing show's skill. I believe...

SjadoN
11-21-2007, 01:43 AM
Well, i always like to be the good guy, so I don't want to kill innocent people, usually i just throw them at the nearest wall...
I killed one innocent because i needed the guards to be desrtacted...
I just had to climb that tower!and with arrows up your butt, it isn't really working....