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djetz
04-01-2006, 08:17 AM
I was surfing through the WW2 pages on wiki, and I found this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allies_of_World_War_II) very interesting page.

Among other things, it has a list of which countries joined the Allies (or the United Nations as they called themselves at the time) in order of joining.

Dates of joining Allies

* Poland: 1939, 1 September
* United Kingdom: 1939, 3 September
* Australia: 1939, 3 September
* New Zealand: 1939, 3 September
* France: 1939, 3 September
* Nepal: 1939, 4 September
* Newfoundland: 1939, 4 September
* Tonga: 1939, 4 September
* South Africa: 1939, 6 September
* Canada: 1939, 10 September
* Denmark: 1940, 9 April
* Norway: 1940, 9 April
* Belgium: 1940, 10 May
* Luxembourg: 1940, 10 May
* Netherlands: 1940, 10 May
* Free France: 1940, 18 June
* Greece: 1940, 28 October
* Kingdom of Yugoslavia: 1941, 6 April
* Soviet Union: 1941, 22 June
* Tannu Tuva: 1941, 25 June until 1944, 11 October
* Panama: 1941, 7 December
* Philippines: 1941, 7 December
* Costa Rica: 1941, 8 December
* Dominican Republic: 1941, 8 December
* El Salvador: 1941, 8 December
* Haiti: 1941, 8 December
* Honduras: 1941, 8 December
* Nicaragua: 1941, 8 December
* United States of America: 1941, 8 December
* Republic of China: 1941, 9 December
* Guatemala: 1941, 9 December
* Cuba: 1941, 9 December
* Czechoslovakia: 1941, 16 December
* Mexico: 1942, 22 May
* Brazil: 1942, 22 August
* Ethiopia: 1942, 14 December
* Iraq 1943: 17 January
* Bolivia: 1943, 7 April
* Iran 1943: 9 September
* Italy: 1943, 13 October (defected from Axis)
* Colombia: 1943, 26 November
* Liberia: 1944, 27 January
* Romania: 1944, 25 August (defected from Axis)
* Finland: 1944, 4 September (defected from Axis)
* Bulgaria: 1944, 8 September (defected from Axis)
* San Marino: 1944, 21 September
* Albania: 1944, 26 October
* Hungary: 1945, 20 January (defected from Axis)
* Bahawalpur: 1945, 2 February
* Ecuador: 1945, 2 February
* Paraguay: 1945, 7 February
* Peru: 1945, 12 February
* Uruguay: 1945, 15 February
* Venezuela: 1945, 15 February
* Turkey: 1945, 23 February
* Lebanon: 1945, 27 February
* People's Republic of Mongolia: 1945, 9 August

Interesting to see that the 5th country to join was Nepal. I can just see Hitler saying "Mien Gott! Nepal! Now we're doomed!"

Then I remember that Nepal is home of the Ghurkas, and I feel a little ashamed of making fun of them.

Another thing I find interesting about the list is the amount of countries that defected from the Axis when it became obvious the Nazis were losing, and the amount of countries that joined in during 1945, in an apparrent grab for post-war kudos without having to actually do anything dangerous.

I'm glad to see Australia is 3rd on the list, too. Though, to be strictly accurate, New Zealand and France are equal 3rd by date.

The page about the Axis Powers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_Powers) is a little more complex, as many countries were puppet Nazi (or Japanese or Italian) states and didn't freely join the Axis.

VW-IceFire
04-01-2006, 08:27 AM
Now you can see why they called it World War II. So many nations from around the world involved.

The entry that I think is funny is People's Republic of Mongolia listed as August 9, 1945. The war was basically over by that point...Germany defeated and Japan had just been hit by two atomic bombs. I guess this coincides with the Soviet Unions declaration of war against Japan and the resulting Operation Autumn Storm....

HotelBushranger
04-01-2006, 09:01 AM
Himmler and the Nazis had great interest in Nepal, bet they wouldn't have been too happy by their declaration of war http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

dhorkoff
04-01-2006, 09:42 AM
Czechoslovakia: 1941, 16 December


This one struck me as odd. To the best of my knowledge, only Slovakia existed after 1938, and that as a puppet of Germany.

Anyone able to explain what this line is supposed to represent? Perhaps the Free Czechoslovak government in exile or something?

djetz
04-01-2006, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by dhorkoff:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Czechoslovakia: 1941, 16 December


This one struck me as odd. To the best of my knowledge, only Slovakia existed after 1938, and that as a puppet of Germany.

Anyone able to explain what this line is supposed to represent? Perhaps the Free Czechoslovak government in exile or something? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd say you must be right, presumably exiled Czechs in London (or somewhere) must have formed a govt-in-exile and declared war at that date.

During the war, Allied countries gave diplomatic recognition to govts-in-exile, recognising them as the legitimate govts of the countries in question.

The date is interesting, though - that's AFTER the Nazis attacked the Soviet Union and even a few weeks after the Nazis declared war on the US. TWO YEARS after Czechoslovakia was invaded and dismantled.

Maybe the Czechs took that long - for some reason - to either form their govt-in-exile or to get it formally recognised by the UN. I'd like to know the reason, too.

There's also the possibility that it's wrong. A typo or something.

D13th_Toppy
04-01-2006, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by djetz:
* Romania: 1944, 25 August (defected from Axis)

small correction:
Romanian "coup d'etat" took place in the evening of the 23rd August, in the folowing days the western allies took note of it (and USAAF bombers swithced their aim to german controlled targets), but the actual agreement with the soviets was signed on September the 12th, up to wich date, the USSR acted mainly like in a conquered country, rather than an allied one.

WOLFMondo
04-01-2006, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by djetz:


Interesting to see that the 5th country to join was Nepal. I can just see Hitler saying "Mien Gott! Nepal! Now we're doomed!"



Nepal wasn't part of the British Empire but India next door was and had allot of influence on the politics in that region. The British also had a military presence in Nepal. Probably the reason they joined the Allies. They were never going to be threatened by Japan anyway.

Ghurkas originally came from one small province but in fact anyone can apply in Nepal to join the Ghurkas of which theres the Indian Ghurka regiments and the British Ghurka regiments. Something like 200,000 Nepalese fought in the Ghurka regiments under the British in WW2.

marc_hawkins
04-01-2006, 06:42 PM
"Bravest of the brave, most generous of the generous, never had a country more faithful friends than you"

(Sir Ralph Turner MC, 3rd Queen Alexandra's Own Gurkha Rifles)

Just the bare bones of their history:

http://www.army.mod.uk/brigade_of_gurkhas/history/index.htm

http://www.army.mod.uk/linked_files/gurkhas/The_World_W...ubsequent_hisory.doc (http://www.army.mod.uk/linked_files/gurkhas/The_World_Wars_and_the_subsequent_hisory.doc)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaje_Ghale

Ayo Gurkhali! (the gurkhas are upon you)

carguy_
04-02-2006, 04:58 AM
Wikipedia shows the most basic knowledge.In some fields of knowledge those besics tend to be untrue.

Poland did not join on 1st September,no,few days earlier.Starting from June 1938 several special diplomacy meetings uccured between GBR,France and Poland.In July Hitler made it clear he is going to wage a war.The last resort of allies was to frighten him with alliance with Poland.On 26th August Great Britain gave Poland warranty of souverenity of its territory followed by France on 28th.
This did cause 3rd Reich to postpone the invasion from 28th August till 1st September.

So there was an alliance before the whole thing started.That is a rather vital fact that cannot be forgotten.

WTE_Ibis
04-02-2006, 05:47 AM
Oh man I'd rather the whole SS after me than a couple of Ghurkas.

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polak5
04-02-2006, 05:58 AM
U cannot get information from Wikipedia its not realiable. Basicly its a encyclopedia were anyone can put in what they want.
I like the thread idea though.

djetz
04-02-2006, 07:34 AM
Well, I agree, you can't always rely on wiki to be exactly right all the time... it's still a work in progress and always will be. But as on overview, it's pretty useful.

If I saw anything that was wrong enough to get me upset, I'd sign up and fix it. I haven't been inspired yet, but it's bound to happen sooner or later.

polak5
04-02-2006, 02:50 PM
yea im not bashing. I find myself using wikipedia sometimes as a quick reference http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif....LOL

RAF_Loke
04-03-2006, 01:17 AM
And Denmark never became Allied. Yes it was occupied Apr. 9th. Bornholm Apr. 10th.

TacticalYak3
04-03-2006, 10:03 AM
I too use Wikipedia from time to time. Love the concept, and do I find contemporary topics (including video gaming industry) can be very well covered. It excels in certain topics and sometimes weak in more traditional fields.

As long as one understands how it is put together I believe it is a great and free resource.

And yes I saw that white flag mate. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

AFJ_Locust
04-03-2006, 10:27 AM
Ghurkas

http://www.himalayan-imports.com/faq/Ghurkas.htm

Petey78
04-03-2006, 11:23 AM
My Grandfather was a Desert Rat (5th RTR, 7th Armoured Division). He told a story about the Gurkhas. He said that the Germans used to sleep three to a tent, the Gurkhas would infiltrate their camps, sneak into a tent full of three sleeping German soldiers and slit the throats of two of them, in no particular order. What's worse, dying quickly in your sleep or waking up next to two dead comrades?... If I was in the survivor's shoes I don't think I'd sleep well until peace was declared. I'm just glad that the Gurkhas (or Ghorkas, or however else you want to spell their name) were on our side.

telsono
04-03-2006, 01:59 PM
The interesting thing about the Ghurkas is they were not recruited in Nepal. Nepal had strict limits on the number of foreigners allowed in the country at any time. This didn't allow the British to have recruiting offices there. in India just across the border with Nepal was a British military base that the those wanted to be Ghurkas would join. Applicants would have to walk from one hundred to two hundred miles to get there. These recruits came from a a very limited number a tribes in Nepal, only 2 or 3. The Sherpas as a rule never joined the Ghurkas, and those who did came from a very minor portion of the population. At one point the GDP of Nepal was primarily from retirement pensions of the former Ghurkas.
A side note, the strict limits on visitors would have made the scene from "Raiders of the Lost Ark" impossible. There were more than the yearly allowance of foreigners in that bar. Also, alcohol was practically prohibited because of religious beliefs and to have an American woman own and run a bar in Katmandu at that time is unbelieveable. It just makes good cinema.

NetDaemon
04-03-2006, 02:21 PM
Interesting to see that the 5th country to join was Nepal. I can just see Hitler saying "Mien Gott! Nepal! Now we're doomed!"

Then I remember that Nepal is home of the Ghurkas, and I feel a little ashamed of making fun of them.

I know that the above line was written in the spirit of fun, BUT don´t discredit any nation that join the allies, no matter how small they were/are.

Every nation in the list contributed to the Allies final victory over the Axis powers, from sending combatants to contributing resources, raw materials, oil, food, letting other allied nations to set up military bases on their sovereign soil, allowing for overflying of their airspaces, etc.

EVERY ALLIED NATION HELPED WIN TEH WAR !!!

Grue_
04-03-2006, 04:19 PM
There was a story about Ghurka's in Ginger Lacey's book.

From memory, the officers of the Ghurkas (who were responsible for guarding the airfield) invited the pilots of 17 Squadron for a drink one night.

Lacey noticed that several grinning Ghurka soldiers were waiting outside the hut and their presence was explained when someone left to visit the toilet. The soldiers escorted you to make sure you didn't leave.

As the night wore on, and the occupants of the hut got drunker and drunker the soldiers helped you to be sick and then would return you to the hut. Only unconsiousness would permit you to leave the hut where the soldiers would carry you to your bed http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Lacey retained the honour of the RAF by managing to stay standing until the end of the night. Typical yorkshireman http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

GR142-Pipper
04-03-2006, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by polak5:
U cannot get information from Wikipedia its not realiable. Basicly its a encyclopedia were anyone can put in what they want.
I like the thread idea though. You're right. Wikipedia is really just a place for opinions. Nothing more.

GR142-Pipper

Deadly_107
04-03-2006, 11:23 PM
I have some fairly nice media about WW-II in the "History" section of our website:

http://www.vfa107.com

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