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Fornixx
05-24-2004, 04:14 AM
Ok just checking what the stats on the .50 cals. Downloaded the patch but will not be able to try it out this week due to work.

So Gibb and guys, did they change or not? Spread, punch or anything?

S!

Fornixx
05-24-2004, 04:14 AM
Ok just checking what the stats on the .50 cals. Downloaded the patch but will not be able to try it out this week due to work.

So Gibb and guys, did they change or not? Spread, punch or anything?

S!

Friendly_flyer
05-24-2004, 04:21 AM
Consensus seems to be that punch has improved, spread has not. We just had a fairly hot discussion on the matter, so tread lightly!

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T_O_A_D
05-24-2004, 04:24 AM
Yep as mentioned it has changed. Did a little resaerch and came up with these just read the last few pages of the long ones and you'll get the idea.

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LeadSpitter_
05-24-2004, 04:26 AM
we are forbidden to talk about it but can ***** about anything else which makes no sense , good discussions get locked because of one person.

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NegativeGee
05-24-2004, 06:03 AM
Monday I see.

So whats Crazy Ivan got to say about this then?

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georgeo76
05-24-2004, 06:24 AM
I belive it's the attitude, not the topic. But I agree that one person w/ an axe to grind can get a disscussion locked.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
we are forbidden to talk about it but can ***** about anything else which makes no sense , good discussions get locked because of one person.
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Curly_109
05-24-2004, 06:44 AM
Let me post one about .303's? Why anyone will not talk about .303's (Hurricane)? They are so similar to the one mention in the title of this topic... Please, please... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif
.(censored)cal is forbidden to talk about untill further notice... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
05-24-2004, 06:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Curly_109:
Let me post one about .303's? Why anyone will not talk about .303's (Hurricane)? They are so similar to the one mention in the title of this topic... Please, please... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif
.(censored)cal is forbidden to talk about untill further notice... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he , Hurricane's .303s SUXXXX! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif

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HARD_Sarge
05-24-2004, 06:59 AM
Hi Fornixx

did they change or not? Spread, punch or anything?

well just came out of a BOE campaign mission flying a 47 and got 9 kills ! (told me I had a headshot and then the plane landed !, so should of been 10 !!!!)

of course, my boys and I caught a large group of GE planes headed into there landing pattern

5 262's, 2 109's and 2 Ju 88's went down, with another 109 shot up bad and wounded ? pilot

and as far as I know, still had ammo left

HARD_Sarge

23 GE for 5 US (most of the US losses were 51's that got into a fight with some 110's)

Fornixx
05-24-2004, 07:59 AM
Hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ok thx guys!

Knew this was a sensitive question. So the consensus seem to be that spread is the same and punch is a bit better.

S!

LilHorse
05-24-2004, 09:25 AM
Personally, I thought the .50s did OK before the patch. So, if they're better now (have the patch, haven't had the time to check it out much) then that's great.

As for the .303s, it's a topic that has come up before with all the attendant controversy. My feeling is that people expect too much of the .303s. You aren't gonna saw off a wing with 'em or blow an a/c up (maybe once in a great while). Usually, you're gonna get the engine to smoke or flame. Maybe you'll shoot out controls or PK. If you read accounts of the BoB, British pilots would concider flaming an engine, or smoking or glycol leak to be a pretty successful attack. They would claim these as victories. Sometimes these planes would crash where they could be accounted for. But other times those "victories" would just be crippled planes that would make it back across the channel. Some of those might be repaired and others written off. Ultimately, it was the lack of the more "dramatic" results that caused them to move toward cannon armament.

So, don't be surprised if, in the up coming BoB sim that you don't see a lot of German planes going to pieces in front of your Hurri or Spit. The .303s DID do a good amount of damage. Just not the kind you could redily see.

VW-IceFire
05-24-2004, 09:32 AM
I think the BoB sim will be better able to show whats going on when a stream of .303's hit their target that FB/AEP can't really do.

Even so, I've taken down some fighters with the Spitfires .303 and when all you have is the machine gun ammo left you might as well try and use it. IT works, just not effectively.

The .50 cal is moderately improved in my opinion. Its still not quite what I was thinking but its better and it'll do...I can make kills and have fun doing it. Best of all, the patch brings back the Jug into the limelight as a half decent fighter and ground pounder so the eight .50cal is great...only problem being (a realistic one mind you) that the 8 fiftys are spread out on the Jugs wing so you can't really hit anyone at close range...better at standoff range and at an angle (if you lead into a target with the .50cals it does distintigrate).

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crazyivan1970
05-24-2004, 10:01 AM
I can`t say anything YET, didn`t get reply on my e-mail, when i do, you`d be the first one to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
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mortoma
05-24-2004, 10:07 AM
I don't understand why so many problems with .303s and why so many people think they stink. I shoot down lots of planes with them in my Finnish campaign, mostly I-16s. I have killed as many as 3 I-16s with one ammo load. The most planes in one sortie I ever got was four. So what's the problem???

LilHorse
05-24-2004, 10:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mortoma:
I don't understand why so many problems with .303s and why so many people think they stink. I shoot down lots of planes with them in my Finnish campaign, mostly I-16s. I have killed as many as 3 I-16s with one ammo load. The most planes in one sortie I ever got was four. So what's the problem???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There really isn't a problem with the .303s. Like I said, people just wanna see a/c go "BOOM" in front of them, instead of concidering that the plane you just pumped full of a bunch of .303 might crash 10 minutes later. I doubt that you saw a lot of ripped up or blown up a/c even with heavier armament in RL. That stuff is just what we see in highlight reels of guncamera footage.

Gibbage1
05-24-2004, 11:31 AM
I did get an E-mail from Oleg. We are "still in talks" about the spread.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I can`t say anything YET, didn`t get reply on my e-mail, when i do, you`d be the first one to know. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
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Curly_109
05-24-2004, 11:54 AM
I see that armament discussion is heatin' up... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
However I mention .303cal 'cause after all those colt/browning larger caliber whining I felt that is pretty funny that nobody bring out unexisting .303 problem http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif....

I will repeat my thoughts/reviews of this game: nothing's wrong with it...

I finished several campaigns (Finnish ---2seasons on hurri---now playing FI camp. again this time with G.50 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif---, Russian fighter Leningrad, Hungarian) through different versions of the game (FB 1.0-1.22 & AEP)and still think that the game have good balance overall... this game is just too good if u ask me.

And yes. If u wanna see "boom" when hitting enemy A/C (or anything else) take something 30mm=&gt; http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif

BS87
05-24-2004, 01:42 PM
I don't think they were specifically changed,its just that ALL guns seem to hit harder now and some planes aren't the tanks they used to be.

GEO-oNe
05-25-2004, 07:17 PM
jese i think theyre weaker! i was in a P-51 today and got up behind a FW190 and sprayed his wing. little chunks. again, and more chunks. well i wasted 1/2 my ammo on his right (most was on target) wing before the thing fell off the fuselage at about 100 m off the deck. what gives?


p.s. are there any other planes that use the 20mm cannon the P38 uses? that thing is great.

Gibbage1
05-25-2004, 07:53 PM
Thats the Hispano 20MM. The Spit's use it, and the Hurricane IIc has 4! Ya. It hits HARD.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GEO-oNe:
p.s. are there any other planes that use the 20mm cannon the P38 uses? that thing is great.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

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Cyrano
05-25-2004, 09:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GEO-oNe:
jese i think theyre weaker! i was in a P-51 today and got up behind a FW190 and sprayed his wing. little chunks. again, and more chunks. well i wasted 1/2 my ammo on his right (most was on target) wing before the thing fell off the fuselage at about 100 m off the deck. what gives?

.


p.s. are there any other planes that use the 20mm cannon the P38 uses? that thing is great.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Geo,

In my opinion it's not the .50's that are to blame here but most likely the FW damage model. When using the .50's against other targets they might not knock them out like some other ammo, but generally speaking they do the job pretty well. The Fw just seems to soak those .50's indefinitely unless you get really lucky and get a pilot kill or manage to hit the engine hard enough for it to burn. Perhaps I'm wrong and there's a key area to focus on. If that's the case I just haven't found it yet.

Jasko76
05-26-2004, 02:26 AM
Maybe I'm wrong, but Fw 190 seems to be one of the weakest planes in the game. Wings come off after very short bursts with 12.7s, so that's the given area of my aim when fighting a Fw 190.


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raaaid
05-26-2004, 05:23 AM
the spread is an advantage the problem is the weapon has no punch

havent seen complains about ki841c spreading as a problem

Cosmonaut.
05-26-2004, 09:31 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
The .50 cal is moderately improved in my opinion. Its still not quite what I was thinking but its better and it'll do...I can make kills and have fun doing it. Best of all, the patch brings back the Jug into the limelight as a half decent fighter and ground pounder so the eight .50cal is great...only problem being (a realistic one mind you) that the 8 fiftys are spread out on the Jugs wing so you can't really hit anyone at close range...better at standoff range and at an angle (if you lead into a target with the .50cals it does distintigrate).<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I haven't done a lot of testing but I would say that I pretty much agree with IceFire. Enough of an improvement that you can get kills and have fun. I stopped flying the Jug Online because I was tired of writing my name in the back of 109's/190's with .50 cals only to watch them fly away 100% combat effective http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/lmaa.gif . Post patch however I have noted that a good burst may not put them down but it will at least reduce their performance giving you enough time to escape or even a chance for a second pass. In short I can fly the Jug again with more confidence http://www.handykult.de/plaudersmilies.de/laugh1.gif .

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