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WalterLenssen
03-01-2011, 03:43 PM
okay, this is my first thread ever on a forum so might seem amaturistic (if that's a word).

so I found something at the first Romulus mission. after you come to a cutscene with 2 Romulus followers, who run away when you yell at them. activate your eagle eye. you see some inscriptions which don't make something clear to me. BUT under the inscriptions. you see a clear triangle with some kind of balls within it. above this is a clear picture of the apple of eden. those are my thoughts at least.

discussion is open!

if anyone can post a picture, I will be very happy!

TwentyGlyphs
03-02-2011, 01:13 AM
This is an awesome find! I just found it too. Just to be clear, this is in the first Secret Location in the DNA menu, "Wolves Among the Dead," not the first Lair of Romulus that you encounter in the game, which is "The Halls of Nero." When you enter the underground church and see the 2 Followers of Romulus messing with the big golden cross and the cutscene ends, the symbols are on the floor in the back right corner of the hallway opposite the cross:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/471/photomar0214614am.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/photomar0214614am.jpg/)

This is identical to one of the writings that Subject 16 left on the floor at Abstergo. The symbols can also be seen here (referenced from the first game): http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Cryptic_Messages

The text in the ACB version is much harder to read, but it says: "Artefacts sent to the skies to control all nations. To make us obey. A hidden crusade. Do not help them."

I'd also like to point out that the triangle with the apple above is one of the 20 glyphs that are apparently central to the AC universe and yet to be fully explained. The glyphs are all painted in the room at Abstergo, and are the glyphs that you find in AC2 when unlocking The Truth. It's also the main image for a mnemonic set in Project Legacy named "Glyphs" with the description "Mankind has always sensed places of power." The 4 mnemonics you find for that set are part of the 20 other AC glyphs: the 3 pyramids, the Aztec step pryamid, All-Seeing Eye, and the mountaintop. http://assassinscreed.wikia.co...Mnemonic_sets#Glyphs (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Mnemonic_sets#Glyphs)

What's more interesting is why are these writings on the floor of a Lair of Romulus 500 years before Subject 16 would write them in his blood? It's hard to tell from pictures, but the original triangle with apple above is drawn on an uneven surface that's a small step. The version in the Lair of Romulus has the exact same step pattern to the drawing, but there is no corresponding step in that spot on the floor in the lair. Weird, huh? Did Subject 16 stumble across this symbol while exploring Ezio's memories and redraw it himself? Is this some sort of weird bleeding effect symptom?

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 09:50 AM
Tnx for the compliment and really tnx for the information and really really tnx for the picture. so what could this be? I'm not really into the subject 16 story and all because I didn't ply AC one or two. I missed so much http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm now going to explore more romulus dungeons looking for more clues.

rocketxsurgeon
03-02-2011, 10:45 AM
Interesting observation here.
Just need to find out why these glyphs are so far back in time and why in the lair...
I mean, we know that 16 has the ability to input the truth into the animus, but what else can he do?

Which lair is this anyway?
I know one of them you go past Junos Tomb, but whether that has any relevence here, i'm not sure.

As for the actual shape of the glyphs, i have no idea. I think the key to finding out what they mean, is finding out why they are here and not in any other lair.

Of course, we could always be thinking too much into this, and it may just be a cute little easter egg. Though nothing Ubi does is ever without reason.

AMuppetMatt
03-02-2011, 11:04 AM
This has to be by far the best first topic by a new poster... I say with the greatest amount of enthusiasm: Welcome to the forum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As for the glyph itself, I think we first need to establish whether this has been done by 16 or if this is something else. Is there any other inscription or sign accompanying it that can give clues or is this simply a standalone feature? Also, I think it's worthy to note that in the catacombe Romulus Lair (can't remember location or name) if you use eagle vision there are arrows pointing you in the right direction. My initial thought during my first play-through was "Subject 16?! He's helping me!". However that has dissapated over time.

Obviously this is much more substantial than an arrow, so I think arguing that 16 is inside the animus influencing events beyond just the glyphs is a suitable conclusion. Or is that jumping to conclusions to easily?

rocketxsurgeon
03-02-2011, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
<span class="ev_code_PURPLE">This has to be by far the best first topic by a new poster... I say with the greatest amount of enthusiasm</span> : Welcome to the forum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

As for the glyph itself, I think we first need to establish whether this has been done by 16 or if this is something else. Is there any other inscription or sign accompanying it that can give clues or is this simply a standalone feature? Also, I think it's worthy to note that in the catacombe Romulus Lair (can't remember location or name) if you use eagle vision there are arrows pointing you in the right direction. My initial thought during my first play-through was "Subject 16?! He's helping me!". However that has dissapated over time.

Obviously this is much more substantial than an arrow, so I think arguing that 16 is inside the animus influencing events beyond just the glyphs is a suitable conclusion. Or is that jumping to conclusions to easily?

I very much agree http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

So these glyphs, they are not just in one lair?

So why would 16 put glyphs in these lairs?

The plot thickens...

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 11:23 AM
mmh.. I only found this glyph as you call it like that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and I just have one more Romulus mission to redo. So could you make pictures of the other glyphs?

tnx for the great compliments btw http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I waited for the perfect moment to make my entrance into the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

rocketxsurgeon
03-02-2011, 11:26 AM
Well if someone tells me the locations and what im looking for.

Can you replay lairs?

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 11:29 AM
yes its with secret locations. I thought it was the first. its in the room with the big cross. you yell at them you want to meet the leader. the followers run away and cut a rope to stop you from coming up. the glyph is pretty close to the door you come trough, partly covered by a table or at least something.

AMuppetMatt
03-02-2011, 11:33 AM
"Wolves Among the Dead"
Cory DID say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Check the first line of his post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

rocketxsurgeon
03-02-2011, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by AMuppetMatt:
"Wolves Among the Dead"
Cory DID say http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Check the first line of his post http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Other than the one mentioned above http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
(Any other lairs?)

WalterLenssen
03-02-2011, 12:43 PM
did you guys ever read the romulus scrolls btw? I think they have found an apple of eden. if you zoom into the pictures at scroll number 4, you clearly see the room you are where desmond was at the very end. connection?

TwentyGlyphs
03-02-2011, 05:11 PM
Yeah, according to the Scrolls of Romulus that were written by Brutus, Brutus discovered Juno's Vault underneath the Colosseum. He somehow discovered the password and got inside. He mentions a pedestal emerging, and he says something of great power is in the center of the room. The weird thing about that is, Brutus was writing this in 44 BC, and Ezio didn't leave the Apple there until at least 1507. So if Ezio left that Apple 1500 years later, did Brutus see a different Apple in that chamber? Hard to tell, but either the Apple or the pedestal at the front of the chamber showed him visions that convinced him Julius Caesar needed to be killed for the good of Rome.

Another interesting thing about the Colosseum Romulus lair is that there is a hole in the wall you can walk right into the entrance to Juno's Vault. When Desmond visits later, that hole has been closed, which forces you to go up through the church and then back down again into the entrance area that had the water and the 2 statues.

Sorry for the diversion, but I thought the Scrolls were very interesting as well.

AntiChrist7
03-03-2011, 01:58 AM
Well, maybe someone took the apple after brutus was there, and then it ended up after a long journey in solomon's temple. where altair found it, brought it to al mualim, and afterwarts buried it on cyprus, where the vence templars dug it up in 148x

WalterLenssen
03-03-2011, 06:21 AM
mmh.. Cory I replayed the colosseum mission and I was able to go trough the hole again? I think I was at least. The scrolls are definitely interesting. maybe there are some clues in the last scroll, also the last scroll isn't finished.

TwentyGlyphs
03-03-2011, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by AntiChrist7:
Well, maybe someone took the apple after brutus was there, and then it ended up after a long journey in solomon's temple. where altair found it, brought it to al mualim, and afterwarts buried it on cyprus, where the vence templars dug it up in 148x

I don't think that fits history, though. The legend of the Templar Treasure that influenced AC1 was that the Knights Templar found a treasure in the 1180s in the Holy Land that may have contained the Ark of the Covenant. The Ark was said to have been hidden by Jeremiah in the 6th century BC. In AC1, the Templars and Assassins found the Ark along with the Apple. Presumably these had been hidden by Jeremiah in the 6th Century BC, around 500 years before Brutus discovered Juno's Temple, and stayed hidden there until 1191 in the AC world.


Originally posted by WalterLenssen:
mmh.. Cory I replayed the colosseum mission and I was able to go trough the hole again? I think I was at least. The scrolls are definitely interesting. maybe there are some clues in the last scroll, also the last scroll isn't finished.

Yeah, in the Colosseum lair that hole in the wall is always open and necessary to get to the Romulus treasure chest. But when Desmond comes to the same spot 500 years later, that hole has been closed up. Just thought it was kind of weird that they did that, unless it was just to make the final present levels more varied and have you go up to the church and back down again.

The final Romulus scroll says if you want to enter the chamber, you must speak aloud --, and then cuts off. This was a teaser to the password that Desmond has to find at the end of the game, which is 72. Perhaps the Followers of Romulus tore this off the scroll for some reason?

rocketxsurgeon
03-03-2011, 10:23 AM
Some really good ideas there.

They added that bit in the church to get some Juno dialogue in. But what someone said before about that it was previously written in a scroll that there was power in the middle of the room.

What if the PoE holds power parallel across time? Like Minerva in the first temple...

ChaosxNetwork
03-03-2011, 10:48 AM
This is the best thread that I have seen by a new comer ever! Good effort!

WalterLenssen
03-03-2011, 12:49 PM
Tnx alot Chaos! As I stated above, I waited for the perfect moment to come into the forums http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. Also I think this kind of information should be traded with other people to have some good discussions and nice conclusions. let's hope this thread may go on as it is going now.

Also for everybody, feel free to bring up every clue you find. you don't need to have a specific clue connected to Romulus. just dont bring up the blood trace in Monterigoni, when playing as Desmond. rocketxsurgeon has a nice thread to post those hints. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif