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Simjock
11-15-2004, 09:00 PM
Just got my new Siatek X-52 in the mail today.

The packageing is very nice. I good sized box with a sleve, and a carry handle so you can take it to lan parties or what-ever.

The software is an easy install with drivers and a control panel. Located on the disk are several profiles including an IL2, and FB profile.

The X-52 is a two piece set joystick and throttle control like the X-45. The X-52 has a display on the throttle control for mode settings and profiles. It also has a clock which can be set as a timer and a alarm. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif very nice.

Over all construction of the X-52 is Very impressive. Slider controls feel solid, and sturdy, buttons activate at the slightest touch but are very ridged. The neopreen grips are very comforatable.
There are led lights on the pov hats, and some of the buttons. The led intensity can be adjusted from the control panel. You can even disable the lights if you think their to much.

The joy stick is very light and flexible, but quikly returns to the zero position. Of course the sensitivity can be adjusted from the control panel or from within the game.

The best features have to be the programble throttle control, and sturdy ergonomic design.
Perhaps a slight deficiancy is the X-52's complicated learning curve. This system has more buttons than it really needs.

I have never used an X-45, but I would have to say the X-52 is light years ahead of the logitek or MS sticks. Not only in functionality, but playability. The X-52 is rock solid stable, you feel like your flying on rails.

I would definatley recomend this system to any gamer / hobbiest. You will enjoy learning and programing your X-52, and it will greatly enhance your game time.

Sales and info:
http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/x52.htm

SithSpeeder
11-15-2004, 09:16 PM
Cool! Thanks for the review.


I'm happy with my X-45 and have found use for all the buttons and then some (shifts and modes included).

I only wish they would have kept the rocker as well as adding the twist stick (I use the rocker for mix control and have CH Pro pedals for the rudder).

If my X-45 ever dies, I'll probably go with an X-52.

* _54th_Speeder *

WTE_Dukayn
11-15-2004, 09:27 PM
Mine's on order http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bearcat99
11-15-2004, 09:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SithSpeeder:
Cool! Thanks for the review.
I'm happy with my X-45 and have found use for all the buttons and then some (shifts and modes included).
I only wish they would have kept the rocker as well as adding the twist stick (I use the rocker for mix control and have CH Pro pedals for the rudder).
If my X-45 ever dies, I'll probably go with an X-52.
* _54th_Speeder * <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My sentiments exactly.... althoug I use a MSFFB2 in conjunction with my X45 and i use all the buttons on the stick as a button bay. If they kept the rocker and the twist giving pilots the option to use either it would have been a near perfect stick. Im hooked on FFB though. I have a spare MS stick in the closet. I just hope that by the time the one i have dies they are still making sims that support it.

GvSAP_Wingnut
11-15-2004, 09:37 PM
Thanks for the info...

As an X45 user I'm used to the rudder rocker on the throttle. What do you think of the "twistie" rudder on the stick?

I've had several twisties in the past (both MS sticks) and it was too easy to twist rudder, even if I didn't want to. How much effort does it take with the x52?

Simjock
11-15-2004, 10:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GvSAP_Wingnut:
Thanks for the info...

As an X45 user I'm used to the rudder rocker on the throttle. What do you think of the "twistie" rudder on the stick?

I've had several twisties in the past (both MS sticks) and it was too easy to twist rudder, even if I didn't want to. How much effort does it take with the x52? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The twist grip rudder was a major selling point me. I got comfortable with useing MS sticks, and logiteck sticks, but this one is much better. It's tighter and don't slip around when your making turns.

Chivas
11-15-2004, 10:56 PM
Hello Simjock
Glad your enjoying your new X52. Mine came today but I have one major gripe. The control surfaces don't return to center when the stick centers. If I throw the aircraft into a bank and let the stick center, the a/c stays in the banked configuration. This makes it very hard to fine tune the killing shot. You must bring the stick back thru center before it starts to correct. Does your stick behave the same way.

Chivas

-HH-Quazi
11-15-2004, 11:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chivas:
Hello Simjock
Glad your enjoying your new X52. Mine came today but I have one major gripe. The control surfaces don't return to center when the stick centers. If I throw the aircraft into a bank and let the stick center, the a/c stays in the banked configuration. This makes it very hard to fine tune the killing shot. You must bring the stick back thru center before it starts to correct. Does your stick behave the same way.

Chivas <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe this is how it is supposed to be m8. Bank the ac and let your stick go back to center, the ac should stay in its banked turn. That's how real ac behave.

Billy_BigBoy
11-16-2004, 04:59 AM
There is one silly thing I remember when I got my X-45...The smell http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
I have to admit, it really smelled good!
Does the X-52 smell? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

The_Great_Stonk
11-16-2004, 06:29 AM
is it also true the x52 has an extra axis ? i believe it has an extra slider on the throttle now ?

also how does the on throttle screen act ? what functionality does it provide ? mid game profile switching ? mid game configuration/sensitivity/calibration access ?

aand finally how much did you pay for it ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HansKnappstick
11-16-2004, 06:38 AM
How do you look around if you use the joystick-throttle combo? Is TrackIR mandatory then?

The_Great_Stonk
11-16-2004, 07:23 AM
the x45 has a 4th 'hat' that can be configured as a mouse control, thats what i use to look around in game, no need for things like track IR imho. im not sure if the x52 also has this mouse control.

HansKnappstick
11-16-2004, 07:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
the x45 has a 4th 'hat' that can be configured as a mouse control, thats what i use to look around in game, no need for things like track IR imho. im not sure if the x52 also has this mouse control. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[AHA effect]
So this is what the "mouse hat" is for!
[/AHA effect]
I was always wandering while reading the specs (planning to buy such a stick myself).

JG301_HP
11-16-2004, 08:48 AM
Hi Simjock,

I've been fortunate to participate in the beta testing. From day one I've enjoyed this HOTAS very much and never had any problem with it in the sim's I've tried (had it for almost a month now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif )....

I previously flown with a X45 but the responses is so much better with the X52 ( even though it's a pre- production sample http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif ).

So to any one thinking I can highly recommend it!

TheGozr
11-16-2004, 10:59 AM
So how much better? we know that the X-45 is horribly for your hand position and the swich hats are more than bad.. so much better make it what? normal? or better than good? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Do you have more details compare the x-45 vs X52 in a matter of hand positions?
ty

El Turo
11-16-2004, 11:09 AM
I've never thought the hand position was bad.. and I'm not entire sure what you mean by your statement as to the hats?

When my X45 throttle dies (if it ever does), I'll likely buy an X52 and shelve my CH Fighterstick until such time that the X52 stick wears out or needs replacing. I guess we'll just have to see how things go in the next 6-18 months with X52 users comparatively to X45 users' experiences with durability (or lack thereof).

swe_flyerboy
11-16-2004, 11:18 AM
What's the dimensions of the box? I'm thinking of buying the X-52 here in the US before I return to Sweden. Much cheaper here. I doubt it will fit in the suitcase but maybe it'll pass as cabinluggage?

/swedish virtual pilot on vacation in San Francisco

Platypus_1.JaVA
11-16-2004, 01:34 PM
I got my hands on a sample X-52 at the LLTM (official european championships Il-2 FB) and it felt very good. The little turning knobs won't jump back to 'centre' if they hadn't been moved by more then a few degrees. It has plenty of goodies above the X45.

Simjock
11-16-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
the x45 has a 4th 'hat' that can be configured as a mouse control, thats what i use to look around in game, no need for things like track IR imho. im not sure if the x52 also has this mouse control. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

X-52 has 3 hats...and a mouse with a scroll wheel. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Great_Stonk
11-16-2004, 04:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simjock:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
the x45 has a 4th 'hat' that can be configured as a mouse control, thats what i use to look around in game, no need for things like track IR imho. im not sure if the x52 also has this mouse control. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

X-52 has 3 hats...and a mouse with a scroll wheel. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

whoa dude! i am so there!

so technically, with an extra slider AND a mouse wheel, doesnt that give the x52 2 more axis's then the x45 ?

Cmte. Carvalho
11-16-2004, 05:19 PM
Just a question: HOW MUCH ($$$)?

Simjock
11-16-2004, 09:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cmte. Carvalho:
Just a question: HOW MUCH ($$$)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

$136.00 for product + UPS ground shiping.

Simjock
11-16-2004, 10:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simjock:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
the x45 has a 4th 'hat' that can be configured as a mouse control, thats what i use to look around in game, no need for things like track IR imho. im not sure if the x52 also has this mouse control. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

X-52 has 3 hats...and a mouse with a scroll wheel. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

whoa dude! i am so there!

so technically, with an extra slider AND a mouse wheel, doesnt that give the x52 2 more axis's then the x45 ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Get this!

X-52 can manage up to 6 profiles which can switched insantaniously in game. Thats 32 buttons, 6 axixes, and 4 sliders that can be programed 6 times!!!!!!!!!

I have mine set up for PF+FB+AEP in 3 modes:Aircraft Systems, Navigatrion, and HOT (combat)

JG301_HP
11-16-2004, 11:01 PM
Hi again,

The stick is adjustable in 5 positions of the handrest in order to accomodate even small hands (like mine)...

By adjusting of the handrest the "pinkie" follows with it...

adlabs6
11-16-2004, 11:02 PM
Ha! Switching profiles in game?! That's really cool. Glad to hear its a nice product.

MagnumHK
11-17-2004, 12:09 PM
Does anyone know how to adjust the SENSITIVITY of the Rudder rocker located on the throttle control on the X-45??

Does not seem to exist in game or in the Control Panel. What am I missing? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

adlabs6
11-17-2004, 12:18 PM
Try reducing the numbers on the rudder input sensitivity page. Just reduce them a bit on the first six or so, and make sure the last is still set for 100.

sunflower1
11-17-2004, 12:26 PM
I reduce the first 6 sliders on my rudder sensitivity nearly as much as the pitch and roll. In some planes it makes them much, much easier to aim and in some, like the IL-2, you just get used to using big inputs when you need to bring the nose around. I'm something like 5-9-14-20-27-40.... up to 100 With the very short travel of the rocker switch, I find this is necessary. FWIW. Its in the control input section of setup, select "yaw" to adjust the correct sliders.

Capt.LoneRanger
11-17-2004, 12:30 PM
The buttons and programmability is not the point anybody has doubts about. The axis are nice, too, but the one bad thing, that made me mad about the X45 was the lousy centering mechanism. Coming from my CH-HOTAS (gameport), it was a real pain to get used to the very irregular and hard resistance of the spring and the disk around the basement of the stick, that used to get stuck, if it was not treated. Hope some forum-guys remember the vaseline-thread http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

IMHO this is the only critical point about the X45.

boohaa
11-17-2004, 01:34 PM
Now this is where I am skeptical of the X52.The X45 had a terrible feeling stick and it looks as though they used the same exact layout with the new X52.

Anyone can comment on "feel"....after all this is very important??

MagnumHK
11-17-2004, 01:43 PM
Yaw,Yaw,Yaw instead of Rudder. Because of my untrained pilot mind I never associated Yaw with Rudder although I read about it in the manuals and have been flying as a virual pilot for many years. Go figure. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Thanks a million guys, my rudder (yaw for acutal movement) has become much more useful to me. It now comes closer to the twist handles that I had gotten used to. Still think those twist handles were better. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

The_Great_Stonk
11-17-2004, 01:53 PM
can any x52 owners comment on the stick centering mechanism ? is it improved over the sticky stiff x45 ?

Tocca4
11-17-2004, 08:17 PM
I'm interested to know the difference in buttons/axes between X45 and X52.
X45 has the following...
On Joystick: Five buttons, two hats and one Shift-mode button (the pinkie button, which can also be used as a sixth button).

On Throttle: Two buttons, two hats, a threeway button, two rotary axes a rocker axis and a three way mode switch.

From what i can tell from the info i've seen the rocker axis is gone, replaced with a twistfunction on the joystick.
There's an added slider on the throttle, is that a fully working axis?

Does it have the same amount of buttons/hats? (Apart from the modeswitch ones that is).

Actually what i'm most interested in is axes. An added axis would be great, seven axes instead of six means a lot if that's true?!

More modes isn't really necessary in my view, using six different modes would be confusing. Three, as on the X45, is enough. But more functions in each mode would be great.

BaldieJr
11-17-2004, 08:31 PM
I'm sticking with my home-made job. 60 buttons/ 4 hats/ and 16 axis is tough to beat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But if I didn't have it, the X-52 would be on my wish-list for sure http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Holycannoli
11-17-2004, 10:48 PM
My concern with the X-45 was the sheer size of the joystick. It was too big for my hand compared to all the other joysticks I tried at the store. Is the X-52 as large?

El Turo
11-17-2004, 11:45 PM
I don't mean this to come off as mean.. but.. wow.. you must have really small hands. I had to tear off the pinky-trigger thing because the stick was too SMALL.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
11-18-2004, 07:33 AM
I think the difficulty is not to reach the pinkie-switch, but to reach the pinkie switch at the same time you use the coolies. From the location of the hats, this was very uncomfortable for me, too. You really have to put the X45 in a lower position, than on a table or something, to use this combination with normal sized hands.

Ankanor
11-18-2004, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
You really have to put the X45 in a lower position, than on a table or something, to use this combination with normal sized hands. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Somewhere about your OWN joystick I guess? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
11-18-2004, 08:02 AM
In that area, yes, Sir. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Holycannoli
11-18-2004, 09:10 AM
Hehe my hands aren't small. I'd say they're average if anything. It's just that, compared to the other joysticks, the X-45 was bigger and clumsier feeling. Like Loneranger said, you had to adjust your hand to reach all the buttons at the same time comfortably. Maybe that joystick was designed with larger hands in mind? I don't know.

Anyway, how does the X-52 compare to this? It sounds like a good joystick but I haven't seen one to test it out yet.

Miki40
11-18-2004, 09:38 AM
Strange things here! The connecting cable in between throttle and stick only works one way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif on my x52...!
Guys from Saitek have promised a replacement cable.
Let us know please if you came across same problem !

Simjock
11-18-2004, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miki40:
Strange things here! The connecting cable in between throttle and stick only works one way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif on my x52...!
Guys from Saitek have promised a replacement cable.
Let us know please if you came across same problem ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do mean?

The cable is like a ps2. connects the throttle to the stick, both ends asre the same.

Explain a bit more....

Simjock
11-18-2004, 10:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Holycannoli:
My concern with the X-45 was the sheer size of the joystick. It was too big for my hand compared to all the other joysticks I tried at the store. Is the X-52 as large? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeh but its adjustable. Unlike the X-45 you can fit the stick to your hand.

bail0ut
11-18-2004, 10:20 AM
Anyone know where a Canadian can order this from? I found it on Bytewize.com but it won't be available for another few weeks

bail0ut

Miki40
11-18-2004, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simjock:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Miki40:
Strange things here! The connecting cable in between throttle and stick only works one way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif on my x52...!
Guys from Saitek have promised a replacement cable.
Let us know please if you came across same problem ! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

What do mean?

The cable is like a ps2. connects the throttle to the stick, both ends asre the same.

Explain a bit more.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I would like to but I am frown at the moment , it could be a problem with my PC ( USB hubs etc...)
I have recently installed a graphics card driver (67.02) which gave me some trouble booting.
Back to 66.93 all seams ok icluding X52.

Capt.LoneRanger
11-18-2004, 12:08 PM
Simjock, you can adjust the size of the X52s stick!?

HansKnappstick
11-26-2004, 02:41 AM
Bump!

Any more comments about the X-52 now when it is out in Europe?

Arm_slinger
11-26-2004, 06:56 AM
I've got one, and its a very nice set up.

It's out in Europe now http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The stick is very easy to move. This will take some getting used to as i'm used to my old MS FFB 2 atm. It is also made to feel strange by the amount you have to move the stick for anything to really happen. I think I need to adjust the joystick sliders in game to get an improvement, can anyone confirm?

The ergonomics are better as well i think, which leaves my fingers feeling like they have space, and not crunched up like they were on the throttle of the 45.

Yes the stick size can be adjusted by the means of a screw type thing in the back of the trigger guard, which then allows a flexible plastic bit (the bit that gives the hand rest thingy) to move up and down on 5 ratchets.

I can take some photographs if anyone wants as wellhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

What else does anyone want to know?

The_Great_Stonk
11-26-2004, 07:13 AM
is the centreing mechanism improved over that of the 45 ?

IV_JG51_Razor
11-26-2004, 08:51 AM
How programable is it?

Can you program strings to it?

Can you tell it to make one command for button push, and another for release?

Can you tell it to hold a key press as long as you're pushing the button, or just give it one key press regardless of how long you hold the button down?

Does it use the standard system of a macro file (list of key commands) and a joystick file (key commands assigned to the joystick buttons)?

Does that little "pinky" switch (the one at the base of the stick for your little finger) modify, or change the assignment of the joystick buttone? In other words, can you assign two different key commands to the same button?

How do you like the twist grip for rudder control vs the old rocker switch on the X-45? Can that function be eliminated if you are using a set of USB rudder pedals?

Is the spring tension of the stick be adjusted? How about adjustable friction on the throttle?

That will do for now, thanks. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

bmwk1200
11-26-2004, 09:31 AM
You sound like a fellow COUGAR owner Razor. I was wondering about these things as well. I think we have been spoiled by the Cougar's FOXY programming software.

Can any X52 owner comment on the programming capabilities of the Saitek gear?

TooCooL34
11-26-2004, 09:52 AM
Review by who said TrackIR was trash?

I don't believe it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Centering mechanism is just like X-45! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Wolf-Strike
11-26-2004, 10:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Great_Stonk:
is the centreing mechanism improved over that of the 45 ? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes,even though I retruend the stick,it has a super smooth feel to the joystick.Much improved over the notchy feel ofX45.Dont beleiev what the others say here about the stick being the same.

Wolf-Strike
11-26-2004, 10:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
It is also made to feel strange by the amount you have to move the stick for anything to really happen. I think I need to adjust the joystick sliders in game to get an improvement, can anyone confirm? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well make sure that your stick is not defective as this is why I returned mine.I dont know why but the past two Logi's and now the X52 stick ALL had bad pots and were returned.

Go into controllers in windows and check that the cursor moves with stick movement.Like I posted before,mine had about a 1/4 deadzone going left and up.This is pathetic!!

I ams still using a wingman that I have had for many yrs due to the fact that its pots are great.

Thanks,
Dale

Arm_slinger
11-26-2004, 07:55 PM
Hmmm that sounds a little discouraging. From memory i'm sure that as soon as i move the stick in the controllers window, it shows the movement. I'll scheck it anyway, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'm hopingthat setting all the ingame sliders on the joystick setup screen will cure the problem. Failing that, there will be a "!help" thread popping up here http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Marek_Steele
11-26-2004, 11:29 PM
Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:

>How programable is it?

I'm a x45 user, but x52 uses similar programing software (with more stuff than the older version, but hust for kicks, you can check manual for the older STT software here (http://www.saitekforum.com/showthread.php?t=3119). X52 users might tell you wich are the new things on it, but the base program should be similar as it's a 4.x version too, wich was already similar to 3.x.

>Can you program strings to it?

In stt yes, you have normal press keys, macros and advanced commands. Normal press is like having a string and it will be executed as long as you press buttons as an example "a (after .10s) b (after .50s) c (after 4s)" if you pressed a button for 3s the C command wouldn't be executed, in case you are timming commands (wich is not needed of course, this is the way you also set simple commands as "alt(0.0s)+space(0.0s)". On macro mode the whole string will be executed after a key press (as an example, i use the manual gear up/down command repeated 50 times with zero delay between them (max for i16), with a keypress I have auto gear http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif).
In advanced command mode you set what happens on press, on hold and on release (and timmings if you want of course).

>Can you tell it to make one command for button push, and another for release?

see above on advanced commands

>Can you tell it to hold a key press as long as you're pushing the button, or just give it one key press regardless of how long you hold the button down?
To hold just use a normal press key, and for one key press either by a macro or an advanced command you can set when it will happen.

>Does it use the standard system of a macro file (list of key commands) and
a joystick file (key commands assigned to the joystick buttons)?

You must program it using the software, it will save the profile just as a *.dat file you can't open.

>Does that little "pinky" switch (the one at the base of the stick for your little finger) modify, or change the assignment of the joystick buttone? In other words, can you assign two different key commands to the same button?

Yes, and if the feature remains, it's dependent on profile mode (in x45 you program 3modes+ other 3(mode+shift)), I don't know how this works now for the x52 but should be very similar.

Simjock
11-26-2004, 11:45 PM
I never tried the X-45 so I can't compair them faitly.

It's hard to describe the X-52 in a few short paragraphs. There's way to much to it.

*Some one asked about the adjustable flight stick. The bottom of the handle(including the pinky trigger) rides on a cam and you simply adjust the hight to fit your hand, then torque it down. The throttle grip has a torque screw on the side you can adjust for friction.

The trottle has a mouse pointer, scroll wheel, presision slider, two rotars, and 3 buttons(including 2 mouse buttons).
The throttle also houses the digital display for modes, and clock. The clock can be set as a timer, or a count down, and can display the 2400 clock.

The flight stick has 2 top hats, 13 buttons, and twist grip rudder. You can lock the twist grip down if you use pedals.
***There is also a mode switch on the flight stick. You can preprogram, and then select in flight, one of 3 modes. Also, the pinky trigger acts like an ALT key allowing for double the number of functions in one mode.

The set is plug and play, but it comes with several preprogramed profiles, including IL2.

The construction appears to be of very good quality. The houseings are made of durable PCV plastic with stainless steel acents, and blue led lights on the buttons. You can adjust the level of intensity of the lights.

The center return is very nice. It's not stiff like a Logitek, but returns to center briskly and dosn't wobble.
Like I said before, it's like flying on rails.

C.L.B.
11-27-2004, 12:15 AM
"You can lock the twist grip down if you use pedals."

When locked down, does it feel as solid as the x45? I don't like twisties, and use pedals, so I wouldn't want any play from side to side in the stick. Thanks.

OldMan____
11-27-2004, 07:44 AM
Let me see.. 130 dollars from the joystick.. 29 dollars per kilogram to transport up to Brazil... 80% taxes....ok.. 400 dollars... think is a little bit too salt for me.

Simjock
11-27-2004, 11:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by C.L.B.:
"You can lock the twist grip down if you use pedals."

When locked down, does it feel as solid as the x45? I don't like twisties, and use pedals, so I wouldn't want any play from side to side in the stick. Thanks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, the switch phisicaly locks the twist axis down. The lock has a tight tolerance, but there is a hair of play from left to right, not much.

Chivas
11-27-2004, 12:25 PM
The amount of programming you can do with the Saitek is almost limitless.
Each profile can have 100's of settings. There are three modes with at least 25 settings per mode doubled by the shift button. Since you can change profiles easily in the game, your options are only limited by the size of your hard drive.
For example you could have a profile for ground attack with a 150+ settings then quickly change to a Furbal profile with a 150+ settings.
I think its only limited by your imagination.

Although I am having problems with the X52 profile locking up during the game. I don't know if its a problem with my system or the Stick{or stick software }

Simjock
11-27-2004, 03:20 PM
I created an IL2 profile with 3 modes.
1) Aircraft Systems. This works great for advanced engine controls, and multiple engines.

2)Ait to Air. For dogfights, and intercepts.

3) Air to Ground. For Bombers, and fighter bombers.

It's easier to create a profile than it is to remember it all. I've been working on mine for several weeks now and I'm still not comfortable with it. I add functions one at a time. Test fly for a while, and then go back and add another function.

Nice profile but its so complicated I forget were I programed some functions. So I keep a default HOTAS and assignments configuration I programed from the game. Just from the game on a single profile I can run a mutli engine bomber, the bomsite, and all the crew positions from my X-52 without touching the keyboard.

Simjock
11-27-2004, 03:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TooCooL34:
Review by who said TrackIR was trash?

I don't believe it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Centering mechanism is just like X-45! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The return mechinism is brisk and smooth. You can pull the stick all the way back, let it go, and it returns to center without a wobble.

The spring at the base of the stick is a shock absorber, the return mechinism is a bunge system built into the housing.