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Franzen
09-28-2004, 03:49 AM
Hi all,

It seems with PF about to hit the stores there is little talk of BoB. Honestly, I'm not too interested in the Pacific theater. I heard BoB will have a new game engine and lots of "goodies" improvements. I would appreciate any info or update links posted here.

Thx in advance.

Tully(The keeper of knowledge) should be along any minute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Fritz Franzen

Franzen
09-28-2004, 03:49 AM
Hi all,

It seems with PF about to hit the stores there is little talk of BoB. Honestly, I'm not too interested in the Pacific theater. I heard BoB will have a new game engine and lots of "goodies" improvements. I would appreciate any info or update links posted here.

Thx in advance.

Tully(The keeper of knowledge) should be along any minute. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Fritz Franzen

Tully__
09-28-2004, 03:56 AM
I'm here, but all I know about BoB comes from ORR and weekly updates, and I don't pay much attention to either.

I can add one thing to what you're already aware of. Initially at least, BoB will concentrate on a small number of highly detailed aircraft with much more complex modelling of flight characteristics than we currently enjoy. From the original phrasing of this information I look forward to more realistic stall behaviour and ground handling, along with other improvements in "edge of the envelop" behaviour. I also look for to accurate atmospheric modelling up to truly high altitudes.

Somewhere about 6-9 months back there was a post in ORR that gave a provisional initial plane list of about 7 or 8 aircraft, though at that stage it was more like a thin mist than set in stone http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

As for links, I suspect that Google will be more help than me... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

F19_Ob
09-28-2004, 04:22 AM
I look forward to struggle off the ground and sweating trying to get down in one piece again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

GazzaMataz
09-28-2004, 04:58 AM
Arrgh, I was gonna ask the same question myself. This really sounds like something to look forward to for us BoB fans, it also means I am probabbly gonna have to get a new PC to play the darn thing too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

xrvjorn
09-28-2004, 07:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Somewhere about 6-9 months back there was a post in ORR that gave a provisional initial plane list of about 7 or 8 aircraft, though at that stage it was more like a thin mist than set in stone.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems like a step backwards, since one of the attractions of IL2-FB/AEP is the insanely large selection of flyables. In particular, the unsexier planes that nobody else has bothered to model, like level bombers (TB-3, He-111), Stuka, IL-2 etc.

I was hoping for the same planeset plus some of the stuff from the British-German war (not just from the Battle of B itself), like a flyable Lancaster, and new maps to go with it.

Anyway, BoB is the one I'm waiting for, since I share Franzens disinterest in the Pacific theater.

Chuck_Older
09-28-2004, 07:35 AM
Why a step backward? That logic implies that forward progress is simply a matter of quantity.

ORR is Oleg's Ready Room

xrvjorn
09-28-2004, 07:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Why a step backward? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's already written in the post you're referring to:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xrvjorn:
"Since one of the attractions of IL2-FB/AEP is the insanely large ... "
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tully__
09-28-2004, 08:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xrvjorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
Somewhere about 6-9 months back there was a post in ORR that gave a provisional initial plane list of about 7 or 8 aircraft, though at that stage it was more like a thin mist than set in stone.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Seems like a step backwards, since one of the attractions of IL2-FB/AEP is the insanely large selection of flyables. In particular, the unsexier planes that nobody else has bothered to model, like level bombers (TB-3, He-111), Stuka, IL-2 etc.

I was hoping for the same planeset plus some of the stuff from the British-German war (not just from the Battle of B itself), like a flyable Lancaster, and new maps to go with it.

Anyway, BoB is the one I'm waiting for, since I share Franzens disinterest in the Pacific theater. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

While the initial plane set will likely be limited to those aircraft that featured heavily in the Battle of Britain, I also anticipate a long development and expansion cycle.

IL2 was conceived as a low altitude tactical ground attack sim, the rest of the features have been sort of shoe horned on. I get the impression that one of the reasons for the new game engine is to allow expansions into other theatres and mission roles without having to resort to FM and gameplay compromises. While there is not doubt that a major attraction to the Il2 series is the huge variety, some of the problems are a direct result of that variety pushing the game engine beyond its original design parameters. BoB should be designed from scratch to cope well with that level of expansion.

Chuck_Older
09-28-2004, 08:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xrvjorn:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Why a step backward? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's already written in the post you're referring to:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xrvjorn:
"Since one of the attractions of IL2-FB/AEP is the insanely large ... "
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
You don't understand me.
I know what you said. I am not here to begin a p!ssing contest. I asked why that must be a step backwards, and then I followed that up by pointing out that quantity alone doesn't seem to be progress.

Your reason is that quantity is an attraction. I ask you again: why must low quantity be a step backwards? This is called 'discussion'. You could reply that I am assuming that low quantity always equals high quality and vice versa. Then I would explain why I feel the way I feel about your point. That's what we do here. I know what you said, I read your post. Now I want to talk about it. If you don't it's no skin off my nose but just re-stating yourself doesn't convince me of your viewpoint

xrvjorn
09-28-2004, 09:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif
You don't understand me.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, no I do. It all started to remind a little about the argument sketch from Monty Python in the Hollywood Bowl http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

What I mean is that it's a step backwards in terms of variety.

IMHO, they could keep the droves of ungainly planes as they are, even if they rework the FMs for a few selected fighters. The work is already done, so why not keep it? It wouldn't affect game balance by giving the 'unsexies' with the old FMs unfair advantages or disadvantages, since those (Stukas etc) are sitting ducks anyway when attacked by fighters.

Chuck_Older
09-28-2004, 10:13 AM
They won't keep the old FMs because it doesn't make a lot of sense to design a new game engine, and then work to import FMs from another game engine (FB) just to import 'bad' flight models for the sake of variety.

The flight models will have to be re-done for the new game engine anyway, so I can't see old FMs getting used at all. Maybe a lot of the data will be used, but the way the game engine uses the data will almost certainly be changed so much the new FM with the old data from FB could make a noticeable change in how a virtual plane flies.

Platypus_1.JaVA
09-28-2004, 10:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Ob:
I look forward to struggle off the ground and sweating trying to get down in one piece again. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>any landing where you can walk away from, is a good landing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tully__
09-28-2004, 10:27 AM
Not just the FM's will be new. The 3D models will also be much more detailed. Check out the game updates page on the main website for some early 3D model screenies http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

crazyivan1970
09-28-2004, 10:41 AM
BOB is a brand new sim, with brand new graphics and game engines. It will be bar far more complex then IL2 series. It will be a platform for future expantions. IL2 was 1/4 of what AEP is when it came out... so consider BOB as a starting ground for new era of WW2 simulation. It might have 40 planes on initial release...and 100 planes 2 years later.

Cheers!

Spitf_ACE
09-28-2004, 10:56 AM
I remember something about buildings having three levels of damage.

This could be very interesting in a dynamic campaign. If you slightly damage a building that has a role in the defence of Britain, eg airfields, it will still be able to function but at a reduced capacity. But if you completely destroy it then it's gone.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-28-2004, 11:10 AM
Knowing that expansion in this genre is inevitible, I was pleased to hear the development of a new engine and more detailed FM/DM's.

IL2:FB:AEP is the best prop flight sim ever created...period. To have the same team working on a newer even more detailed and complex sim for our gaming enjoyment, is exciting. I've played the IL2 series for over 2 years and still look forward to being able to strap on a warbird and defend the virtual skies.

All I ask is for it to have native TrackIR support, but that seems to be a given. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/heart.gif

So, until BoB comes out I'll be happy to play IL2:FB:AEP...PF

TB

1.JaVA_Razer
09-28-2004, 11:16 AM
Good to hear.

Off course I'll miss the numerous of planes but say 10 planes so that will mean some BF's, a He 111, ju 88 maybe? don't know my history that well, a Spitfire(2 models or 3 or so) and 2 hurricane models.


Sounds sweet enough to me .
I don't NEED 10000000000000000000 of models as long as the ones supplied are tiptop condition and are sweet/ lifelike in flight model

crazyivan1970
09-28-2004, 11:18 AM
I don`t know exact amount of planes or plane types that will be included. But i think somewhat close to ...maybe 40 flyables. Maybe less. If someone could actually post plane types that participated in BOB, we could at least have an idea hehe.

bazzaah2
09-28-2004, 04:11 PM
BoB sounds great...will buy PF just to keep Oleg and the team in funds to get BoB out, lol.

I do hope we can get big, realistic battles going though; numbers make a difference so to quite Stalin or Lenin or whoever, quantity has a quality all of its own.

BuzzU
09-28-2004, 04:23 PM
I look forward to BOB more than anything coming up. Give me more accurate planes that were only in BOB, and i'm a happy camper.

I want to see all the danger in taking off in a 109 that the real plane had.

I want to see all the planes have all the problems the real planes had.

Having killer graphics will be cool too. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Franzen
09-29-2004, 06:29 AM
With all the talk going on about what BoB might be, it makes the love of my life(IL-2)look like a highschool crush. Better graphics, more accurate FMs and DMs, this is gonna be better than my "first time". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Who knows, maybe it's a conspiracy and IL-2, FB, and AEP were all just training courses before sending us to a higher level. Imagine having to land to refuel and reload your weapons. I'd be willing to bet, although I have nothing to go on, you'll see things like this in the new game. Oh well, we can always hope anyway. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Whatever happens, it already sounds much better than my current love affair.

Fritz Franzen

JG54_Arnie
09-29-2004, 06:34 AM
Must be some love affair there Fritz. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyways, it sure sounds like BoB is gonna rock. I do look forward to PF though and the fun to be had with that and the new flyables following it. But ofcourse, this is all just something to keep us entertained untill the BoB comes out. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Looking forward to more variety in clouds, weather changes and ofcourse new Flight and Damage Models. And since 2005 is closing in, more info on how the game and new engine is progressing would be very nice. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Franzen
09-29-2004, 06:41 AM
Links, links, links!

No, I'm not a used-chain salesman. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Can someone please post links?(with pics, I is a ill litter it zimmer. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

No offense to the illiterate simmers that frequently read and write in this forum.

Fritz Franzen

Dunkelgrun
09-29-2004, 08:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
I don`t know exact amount of planes or plane types that will be included. But i think somewhat close to ...maybe 40 flyables. Maybe less. If someone could actually post plane types that participated in BOB, we could at least have an idea hehe. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Here you are Ivan:

<span class="ev_code_RED">LUFTWAFFE</span>

Essentials:

Dornier Do17 Z
Heinkel He111 H & P
Junkers Ju88 A
Junkers Ju87 B

Messerschmitt Bf109 E
Messerschmitt Bf110 C

Important:

Focke-Wulf 200 Condor
Heinkel He59
Heinkel He115

Others:

Dornier Do17 E, M and P
Dornier Do215
Dornier Do18

<span class="ev_code_RED">RAF</span>

Essentials:

Supermarine Spitfire MkI
Supermarine Spitfire MkII
Hawker Hurricane MkI
Bristol Blenheim MkI
Boulton Paul Defiant MkI

Other Fighter Command / Fleet Air Arm fighters that were around but took little or no part:

Hawker Hurricane MkIIa
Gloster Gladiator Mks I & II
Fairey Fulmar MkI
Grumman Martlet MkI

The last three were based well away from the map area that Oleg is going to provide, as I understand it.

<span class="ev_code_RED">REGIA AERONAUTICA</span>

Essentials:

Fiat BR20 Cicogna
Fiat CR42 Freccia
Fiat G50 Falco


Hopefully there will be some other 'non-combat' aircraft included:

DeHavilland Tiger Moth
Avro Anson
North American Harvard
Messerschmitt Bf108
Junkers Ju52
Supermarine Walrus


Now, if we are going to get British bombers in order to replicate the other half of the action, then we'll need:

Handley Page Hampden
Fairey Battle
Vickers Wellington
Armstrong Whitworth Whitley
Bristol Blenheim MkIV

We could even have a Short Stirling prototype!

It would be nice but with the problems there are with multi-crewed a/c then even if we get these they'll be AI at best.

So, 14 rather than 40 I suspect, especially in it's initial form.

Cheers!

Franzen
09-30-2004, 07:28 PM
bump!