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appulluk
04-24-2006, 11:33 AM
Is it just me or can you not fly the Me-109 in Quick Mission Builder? I certainly don't see it listed no matter what map I select. I've got Complete Edition 4.04M.

I see the BF-109's, but not the Me's... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

Brain32
04-24-2006, 11:36 AM
BF109=ME109 and I hope you are not fishing. Actually in IL2 Orig I was wandering about that too...

danjama
04-24-2006, 11:42 AM
BF109:
http://www.bf109.com/gallery/favourites/gall06favemed.jpg

Me109:
http://www.bf109.com/gallery/favourites/gall06favemed.jpg

Can YOU spot the difference? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Nubarus
04-24-2006, 11:46 AM
Originally posted by danjama:
BF109:
http://www.bf109.com/gallery/favourites/gall06favemed.jpg

Me109:
http://www.bf109.com/gallery/favourites/gall06favemed.jpg


Can YOU spot the difference? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

In am not sure but I think the Me109 has one SPOT more on the tail section then the Bf109.

danjama
04-24-2006, 11:50 AM
Where i dont see it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Nubarus
04-24-2006, 11:52 AM
That's because there are so many spots on them, spots every where......wheeeee!!!

I better lay of this cake, it taste's kind of herbal.......... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

danjama
04-24-2006, 12:30 PM
Lol

appulluk
04-24-2006, 12:49 PM
Heh I feel very "had"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bf-109

"Me 109 was the name used officially by the Luftwaffe propaganda publications as well as by the Messerschmitt company and the Luftwaffe personnel, who pronounced it 'may hundred-nine'. ME 109 (pronounced 'emm ee one-oh-nine') was the contemporary English interpretation of the designation. However, in both wartime and contemporary literature, both the "Bf" and "Me" prefixes are used, and both are considered valid and accurate."

:P

Chuck_Older
04-24-2006, 01:02 PM
Originally posted by appulluk:
Heh I feel very "had"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bf-109

"Me 109 was the name used officially by the Luftwaffe propaganda publications as well as by the Messerschmitt company and the Luftwaffe personnel, who pronounced it 'may hundred-nine'. ME 109 (pronounced 'emm ee one-oh-nine') was the contemporary English interpretation of the designation. However, in both wartime and contemporary literature, both the "Bf" and "Me" prefixes are used, and both are considered valid and accurate."

:P

WOT??? No request for info on the Bf??!?!???

A designer could also get the designation 'awarded' to him, such as the Ta-152, the 'Ta' standing for Kurt Tank's last name

Capt.LoneRanger
04-24-2006, 01:11 PM
Funny - I just read a book stating the exact opposite. According to that, the abbreviation "Me" for "Messerschmidt" was only used for other aircraft (or early 109-Versions?), as the factories were renamed "Bayerische Flugzeugwerke" and the Me officially replaced by Bf.

It was also stated the "Me" was only used by people not knowing or not caring about this internal change, like propaganda-ministery, but especially by the Allies. The pilots and personnel just called it "109" anyways.

Jaws2002
04-24-2006, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:

WOT??? No request for info on the Bf??!?!???

A designer could also get the designation 'awarded' to him, such as the Ta-152, the 'Ta' standing for Kurt Tank's last name



Not if the aircraft sucked so bad. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Anyway, who wold like to have that Bf abomination carry his name http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

FritzGryphon
04-24-2006, 01:38 PM
I just read a book stating the exact opposite. According to that, the abbreviation "Me" for "Messerschmidt"


If the book really spelled "Messerschmitt" that way, I'd say to close that book and never open it again.

Waldo.Pepper
04-24-2006, 01:52 PM
I think this is proof that we need more versions of the plane.

danjama
04-24-2006, 01:55 PM
Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I think this is proof that we need more versions of the plane.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif

horseback
04-24-2006, 02:03 PM
yeah, we need the wooden prop/Kestrel versions and the Bf 109C/D awful bad...

cheers

horseback

Capt.LoneRanger
04-24-2006, 02:40 PM
As I didn't copy and paste it from the book i give it a http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif and will keep the book.

Besides that, Messerschmidt is a more common name than Messerschmitt here in Germany, though routine is never an excuse.

Bremspropeller
04-24-2006, 02:48 PM
Danjama naked with boobs ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

danjama
04-24-2006, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Danjama naked with boobs ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

I dont have boobs!! What kind of random comment is this? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

MLudner
04-24-2006, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
BF109:
http://www.bf109.com/gallery/favourites/gall06favemed.jpg

Me109:
http://www.bf109.com/gallery/favourites/gall06favemed.jpg

Can YOU spot the difference? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Good one.

MLudner
04-24-2006, 04:57 PM
Friend, Bf-109 and Me-109 are the same thing. Even the Luftwaffe itself used the terms interchangeably.

jannaspookie
04-24-2006, 05:25 PM
Okay, I've been reading these forums since the original Il-2 days and never joined or posted until recently, but I feel I must add this:

The designation "Bf" is the correct term for all Messerschmitt aircraft designed or built before 1938. That's when Bayerische Flugzeugwerke was changed to Messerschmitt AG. The 108, 109, and 110 were already being produced by then, so the "Bf" prefix stayed for the rest of their service lives. All models after 1938 used the new "Me" designation. Also, to clear up any confusion, In 1943 the RLM changed the designation rules so that the designer's intials would be the designator. Hence, the Ta-152 and Ta-183 (made by Focke-Wulf) were from Kurt Tank, who worked for Focke-Wulf. So, the system was actually fairly organised.

MLudner
04-24-2006, 06:19 PM
You are in no way wrong, but the Luftwaffe did use both Me-109 AND Bf-109 interchangeably. I have seen actual documents of the LW from all points of the WAR ('39+) refering to it both ways.

I always use Bf.

jannaspookie
04-25-2006, 12:06 PM
Very interesting. Touché!

Tully__
04-25-2006, 12:56 PM
I've been led to believe that even Messerschmitt internal documents sometimes interchanged the Bf and Me designations for the 109.

WTE_Galway
04-25-2006, 05:55 PM
it was found the me variant was overmodelled so it was reserved for the west and the bf ones sent to russia