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alert_1
02-02-2006, 01:23 AM
They are, undoubtedly 1945 planes. How many servers featuring '45 planeset are out there? I know only one: AH_DEDICATED, featuring one or two spring '45 maps with full '45 planeset, including Me262, He162. These maps dont need Me109K/1.98ATA.
And all others are '44 ones, where all those P38L, P47 Late and now Spit IX 25lbs can dwell comfortably..so I dont see any place for Me109K/1.98, Do335 on online servers.
Having Fw190A4/A5/A6/A8 with PROPER boost would be much better.
Anyway, as for 4.03 I'm looking for J2M3 (I would nickname it "The Balancer") more then anything else...

Hristo_
02-02-2006, 01:25 AM
Looking forward to Dornier the most, just because it wasn't modeled yet in any sim I consider worth playing.

And who knows, maybe we can recreate that encounter with Clostermann http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

JG52Karaya-X
02-02-2006, 01:40 AM
As Freud would say: In case of the Do335 it's a classic case of pe-nis envy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

F19_Olli72
02-02-2006, 01:41 AM
Best pilots will fly Macchi 200 anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hristo_
02-02-2006, 01:50 AM
Originally posted by JG52Karaya-X:
As Freud would say: In case of the Do335 it's a classic case of pe-nis envy http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I was already banned for posting a certain Do-335 picture.

Don't make me do it again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

msalama
02-02-2006, 01:55 AM
Best pilots will fly Macchi 200 anyway http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Baloney. Best pilots fly Sturmos, Ratas and Chaikas. Be sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But as for the fuss about the new ├╝ber planes - well, I don't understand it either. If you don't like them don't FLY them, and find yerself a server that doesn't feature them for f**k's sake!!!

danjama
02-02-2006, 02:34 AM
im not fussed, the Do isnt that good anyway (i know).

The tempest and spit25+ will easily take care of that 109

Capt.LoneRanger
02-02-2006, 02:39 AM
And here we go again http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif


I don't understand it either, why there is a single German fighterplane added, while there were dozens of allied planes added in the last patches. Really no need to even up on blue - if planesets are limited to nations, 75% fly red anyway.

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p1ngu666
02-02-2006, 03:21 AM
alot of servers run 45 planeset, warclouds is one, any with ta152 aswell. plus theres the japanease 45 planes, but there still 42-43 performance.

do335 isnt so much of a worry, it does have weakness's, like rear view, no armoured glass, im still unconvinced about the guns too.

k4 is a worry cos say your in a mustang
new k4 is better climber, obivously
new k4 is faster, better accel
new k4 will turn better

there isnt enuff highspeed roll rate advantage, or turn or dive/zoom advantage imo to go against that.

be like your flying along in a yak9u, and a la7 enguages u, theres nothing u can do better, so your a flying target, or u haveto outfly the guy by alot...

p38 and p47 have better handling, but not faster, p38 climbs better.

the new K4 will hold ALL the most important cards. yes ofcourse they will get shot down, but it will be very very tough, and ull need luck/situational advantage more than now

spits and VVS planes should still have the turn advantage..

its not like the k4's struggle now is it?

robban75
02-02-2006, 03:32 AM
The new Spit will probably better the K-4 in everything but low alt speed. I don't think you have anything to worry about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

p1ngu666
02-02-2006, 03:39 AM
nah, i think the new k4 will still have the climb advantage

p1ngu666
02-02-2006, 03:43 AM
itll still make it really hard for the usaaf, and even dora's imo http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
02-02-2006, 03:58 AM
Just for fun I summed up the plane-additions of all patches after AEP was released:

Patch 2.1
I-185 M-71.
I-185 M-82A.
Yak-3P.
Yak-9B.
Yak-7A.
Yak-9M.
Yak-9UT.
LaGG-3 (Serie 29).
LaGG-3 (Serie 35).
Spitfire Mk. IXc.
Spitfire Mk. IXc (CW).
Spitfire Mk. IXe.
Spitfire Mk. IXe (CW).
Spitfire Mk. IXe (HF).
I.A.R. 81a
Focke-Wulf FW 190 A-6.

Patch 4.0
Ki-100-I-Ko, 1945 *
G4M1-11 Betty, 1941*
Spitfire MK.Vc (2), 1941
Spitfire MK.Vc (4), 1941
Mustang MK.III, 1944
P-38L late, 1944
Buffalo MK I.*

Patch 4.02
Yak-7B, 1942
P-47D, 1944 *

Now all together how many German planes were added and how many allied fighters in the European theater? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


p1ngu666, so you're saying the protest against the new K4 is because it will be superior in some regards to the P51? Is it that what this is is all about?

HellToupee
02-02-2006, 03:58 AM
low alt an high alt speed to, the new spit wont have the high alt speed of a XIV. Speed difference wont be small ither, climb will probly less to, the spit will compete just as the standard 9 competes with the k4 now. What will really suffer is the american planes, at the moment they struggle to compete with the current k4 in all things, really its going to turn into tempest and spit vs lw.

CD_kp84yb
02-02-2006, 04:05 AM
Do335 and mosquito i have "flew" them years ago in EAW.

So its a kind of reunion to me.

Man did i sucked in mossie http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

bazzaah2
02-02-2006, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by Hristo_:
Looking forward to Dornier the most, just because it wasn't modeled yet in any sim I consider worth playing.

And who knows, maybe we can recreate that encounter with Clostermann http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

We can certainly recreate Closterman's encounter with Dortemann.

Capt.LoneRanger
02-02-2006, 04:13 AM
But okay, some allready said, there are many plane types for Allied planes, only 2 major for German.

So lets count versions.

FW190: 4
Bf109: 14

Spitfire alone: 15

Overall its 46 blue vs 126 red btw. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Kernow
02-02-2006, 07:13 AM
I think the Bf-110, Ju-87, He-111 and Me-262 are all major German types too. If you're just counting single-seat fighters, which major German fighter is missing?

badatflyski
02-02-2006, 07:25 AM
just a little remark:
the ta152 is a 44late(autumn)plane
and the 262 is a mid44 plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif they should then be in the 44 dog-servers ans not in the 45!...but what would happen then???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
02-02-2006, 07:39 AM
You mean Spitfires rather compare with he111 and Ju87? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

The other numbers compare all planes, including He111 as well as B25, etc.

But then, it's quite superficial to think Bf109 is in, so what is missing?

Allthough they had the same prefix, there were at least 9 major subtypes, each with a bunch of different upgrades and refits. We have E/F/G/K = 4.

At the same time the FW190 hat about 18 subtypes, also with different refits and upgrades.

I'm not a pro on German planes, but don't you think there is a slight inbalance - especially since many of the modelled FW190s are the ones without booster, though they had those in the serial production. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

mynameisroland
02-02-2006, 08:50 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
alot of servers run 45 planeset, warclouds is one, any with ta152 aswell. plus theres the japanease 45 planes, but there still 42-43 performance.

do335 isnt so much of a worry, it does have weakness's, like rear view, no armoured glass, im still unconvinced about the guns too.

k4 is a worry cos say your in a mustang
new k4 is better climber, obivously
new k4 is faster, better accel
new k4 will turn better

there isnt enuff highspeed roll rate advantage, or turn or dive/zoom advantage imo to go against that.

be like your flying along in a yak9u, and a la7 enguages u, theres nothing u can do better, so your a flying target, or u haveto outfly the guy by alot...

p38 and p47 have better handling, but not faster, p38 climbs better.

the new K4 will hold ALL the most important cards. yes ofcourse they will get shot down, but it will be very very tough, and ull need luck/situational advantage more than now

spits and VVS planes should still have the turn advantage..

its not like the k4's struggle now is it?

Pingu

Welcome to the Fw 190 A pilots set of options compared to all contemporary Russian La5's.

All you can do is enter combat high enough so as to nullify the oppositions aircraft advantages.

Kurfurst__
02-02-2006, 09:01 AM
Originally posted by alert_1:
They are, undoubtedly 1945 planes. How many servers featuring '45 planeset are out there? I know only one: AH_DEDICATED, featuring one or two spring '45 maps with full '45 planeset, including Me262, He162. These maps dont need Me109K/1.98ATA.
And all others are '44 ones, where all those P38L, P47 Late and now Spit IX 25lbs can dwell comfortably..so I dont see any place for Me109K/1.98, Do335 on online servers.

You mean the fact that 2 (two) Squadrons of +25 Spits IX, ie. 20-odd planes were chasing V-1s in mid 1944 until the automn when they reverted, barely seeing air to air combat is a good reason to have them on 1944 servers, while 140 1.98ata 109Ks in 1945 isn't a good reason?

Just for the record, the +25 SpitIX didn't appear in numbers until the 1.98ata 109K appeared, ie. early 1945 when the 2nd TAF converted 2/3s of it's IX squadrons. The two are contemporaries, that is why we get them in the same patch. It's just a poor excuse.

luftluuver
02-02-2006, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
You mean the fact that 2 (two) Squadrons of +25 Spits IX, ie. 20-odd planes were chasing V-1s in mid 1944 until the automn when they reverted, barely seeing air to air combat is a good reason to have them on 1944 servers, while 140 1.98ata 109Ks in 1945 isn't a good reason?

Just for the record, the +25 SpitIX didn't appear in numbers until the 1.98ata 109K appeared, ie. early 1945 when the 2nd TAF converted 2/3s of it's IX squadrons. The two are contemporaries, that is why we get them in the same patch. It's just a poor excuse.
Bull.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The IX was 'cleared' for 25lb in Nov 44 while the 1.98 K-4 was not 'cleared' until Mar 45.

Sure, a staffel of JG11 doing operational testing of the 1.98 K-4.

Butch:
"It flew but to what extend tests made by the II/JG11 with the DB605DC at 1.98ata were positive is not known at this time. <span class="ev_code_YELLOW">Early reports of the 1.90ata test underlined spark plugs troubles as well as mechanical troubles and the insufficient cooling of the 109.</span> Those troubles prompted the decision to deliver all DC engines set to DB standard at 1.8ata.
All those events took place in february, and plans were made to clear it for operational use as underlined by planned unit equipments listing. Now it remains to be seen to what extent it was done before the war ended."

p1ngu666
02-02-2006, 09:28 AM
kurfy do u know when the lw started to disband units and turn them into infanty due to lack of avalible fuel,planes,spares etc? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

V1 chasing was very important if you was in london at that time. not the RAF's fault that the germans had few aircraft that could survive over the uk and carry bombs at a acceptable rate in daylight, even nighttime sorties at that time where rather dangerous

anti v weopen sorties where some of the most important carried out by the allies in that time period, along with the invasion preporations.

the 190's have more advantages over la5's than p51 over new k4

above 3000metres the 190 has better performance. it also has a higher dive speed, and alot better highspeed controls aswell.

k4's are already faster than p51d past 3500, and the difference isnt big below that.

id rather have a high alt gm1 G series aircraft

i know u guys are loving the 2ata k4, but the 1.8ata one had no issues dealing with any other prop aircraft, provided you flew with half a brain. that includes flying against someone compitant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

i get the feeling itll be like la7, but moreso...

i dont fly la7 cos its uber, no challenge, and theres no excuse if u mess up either http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kurfurst__
02-02-2006, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
kurfy do u know when the lw started to disband units and turn them into infanty due to lack of avalible fuel,planes,spares etc? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Like around 2005 when Mr. Williams started writing fiction? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif[/


V1 chasing was very important if you was in london at that time. not the RAF's fault that the germans had few aircraft that could survive over the uk and carry bombs at a acceptable rate in daylight, even nighttime sorties at that time where rather dangerous

No doubt it was important, still, the +25 lbs Spits were very few in numbers, and little, if at all, were used in fighter combat until the 109K appeared with 1,98ata boost, so how come it has more right to be present based on historical use arguements, huh?

I mean, there were hardly even as many +25 lbs IXs in 1944 flying than Me 262, yet how many Me 262 is allowed to fly on servers?


i know u guys are loving the 2ata k4, but the 1.8ata one had no issues dealing with any other prop aircraft, provided you flew with half a brain. that includes flying against someone compitant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Same can be said for all high boosted Allied planes. Why do you need a +25 lbs spit, Mustang, P-38/P-47? All the basic versions are very capable taking on any LW prop, so why was the need for uberplanes. Then just dont whine if its not only your side that is getting its best planes, TOO.

Hetzer_II
02-02-2006, 09:48 AM
i know u guys are loving the 2ata k4, but the 1.8ata one had no issues dealing with any other prop aircraft, provided you flew with half a brain. that includes flying against someone compitant


LOL.. and what about our current 43 Spitfire which is quiet more than competetive in any 44-45 Szenario? I mean if you dont fly the current spit with half a brain.. who can stop you? So no reasons for the boostes Spit..

luftluuver
02-02-2006, 09:55 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
Like around 2005 when Mr. Williams started writing fiction? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Not as bad compared to the fiction you write. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Kurfurst__
02-02-2006, 09:57 AM
You guys should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon - and thats aint going to change - the better for you.

Why is the whining anyway, NOBODY seems to whine about +25 Spits, now take a good examle from that.

And check my new sig. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

RegRag1977
02-02-2006, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by badatflyski:
just a little remark:
the ta152 is a 44late(autumn)plane
and the 262 is a mid44 plane http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif they should then be in the 44 dog-servers ans not in the 45!...but what would happen then???? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

The red whine wind will blow hard till they get SR71 fitted with AIM9! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gifMy fellow blue side guys, i propose to wait: in a few weeks there will be a new sound available on ubi forums: the Tempest jocks whine! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

RegRag1977
02-02-2006, 10:06 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
You guys should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon - and thats aint going to change - the better for you.

Why is the whining anyway, NOBODY seems to whine about +25 Spits, now take a good examle from that.

And check my new sig. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

You know some of red pilots like Pingu always wanted us to fly derated LW planes (CF FW190A) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gifbecause you know, "they are the best anyway" tralalala... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif!

It's already so hard for them to fit LW pilot standard that they need us to fly steam irons... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif You know they need to feel like uberheroes! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Regards! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

HellToupee
02-02-2006, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Hetzer_II:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">i know u guys are loving the 2ata k4, but the 1.8ata one had no issues dealing with any other prop aircraft, provided you flew with half a brain. that includes flying against someone compitant


LOL.. and what about our current 43 Spitfire which is quiet more than competetive in any 44-45 Szenario? I mean if you dont fly the current spit with half a brain.. who can stop you? So no reasons for the boostes Spit.. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

thats what happens when silly pilots in very fast planes decide to get into a slow and low fight with a spitfire instead of using their brain in the first place. Spit is competitive when opposition pilots are not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

luftluuver
02-02-2006, 10:37 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
You guys should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon - and thats aint going to change - the better for you. No problem with the new K-4 as long as it is modelled correctly. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Only problem is with your twisted and selective manipulations of facts.

lrrp22
02-02-2006, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
You guys should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon - and thats aint going to change - the better for you.

Why is the whining anyway, NOBODY seems to whine about +25 Spits, now take a good examle from that.

And check my new sig. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Nobody whines because +25 lbs boost Spit IX's were flying by the first week of May 1944- for SURE. Granted, it was only two squadrons, but that indicates beyond any doubt that it was an authorized and operationally boost settings nearly 11 Months before 1.98 ata *MAY* have been introduced. *May* is the most reasonable description considering that 1.9 ata, let alone 1.98 ata, was still not cleared as late as February 1945. By the end of 1944, 35 more Spitfire squadrons were converting- and that conversion was *not* dependant on their engines being cleared as that clearance came 6 months prior.

Again, you're making an apples and oranges comparison. You've got your 1.98 ata K-4. Good for you. But, that doesn't translate into a validation of your claims that 1.98 ata K-4's were operational, in the Real World, in 1945. We know that the Luftwaffe was testing 1.98 ata and intended to implement it. What we don't know is if it was ever cleared or if it was ever actually implemented. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Those are the facts- there is no way around them.

LRRP

crazyivan1970
02-02-2006, 11:42 AM
Allright, Kurfurst, luftlover and others.... Those two planes are coming, whether you like it or not... AND IT WILL BE UP TO HOSTS whether include it in the plane set or not http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif OK? Do you read me???? Neither of you host servers.... so, QUIET!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

luftluuver
02-02-2006, 11:52 AM
<span class="ev_code_YELLOW">As I said Ivan, I got no problem with the 1.98 K-4 being in the plane set nor any other a/c that we are blessed with.</span> http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

danjama
02-02-2006, 11:59 AM
The new Spitfire shouldnt have alot of trouble with this new 109

jagdmailer
02-02-2006, 12:17 PM
Its called "offline" playing.

Jagd


Originally posted by alert_1:
They are, undoubtedly 1945 planes. How many servers featuring '45 planeset are out there? I know only one: AH_DEDICATED, featuring one or two spring '45 maps with full '45 planeset, including Me262, He162. These maps dont need Me109K/1.98ATA.
And all others are '44 ones, where all those P38L, P47 Late and now Spit IX 25lbs can dwell comfortably..so I dont see any place for Me109K/1.98, Do335 on online servers.
Having Fw190A4/A5/A6/A8 with PROPER boost would be much better.
Anyway, as for 4.03 I'm looking for J2M3 (I would nickname it "The Balancer") more then anything else...

Kurfurst__
02-02-2006, 12:31 PM
Originally posted by lrrp22:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
You guys should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon - and thats aint going to change - the better for you.

Why is the whining anyway, NOBODY seems to whine about +25 Spits, now take a good examle from that.

And check my new sig. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Nobody whines because +25 lbs boost Spit IX's were flying by the first week of May 1944- for SURE. Granted, it was only two squadrons, but that indicates beyond any doubt that it was an authorized and operationally boost settings nearly 11 Months before 1.98 ata *MAY* have been introduced. *May* is the most reasonable description considering that 1.9 ata, let alone 1.98 ata, was still not cleared as late as February 1945. By the end of 1944, 35 more Spitfire squadrons were converting- and that conversion was *not* dependant on their engines being cleared as that clearance came 6 months prior.

Again, you're making an apples and oranges comparison. You've got your 1.98 ata K-4. Good for you. But, that doesn't translate into a validation of your claims that 1.98 ata K-4's were operational, in the Real World, in 1945. We know that the Luftwaffe was testing 1.98 ata and intended to implement it. What we don't know is if it was ever cleared or if it was ever actually implemented. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Those are the facts- there is no way around them.

LRRP </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

LRRP I think nobody is too interested in this little rant which you post for what, 6th time for now?
Nobody is interested in the umphteenth rehearsal of a story, oh sorry, 'facts', that depicts little else than fanboi side bias.
Stop flogging a dead horse. You should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon the better for you.

ploughman
02-02-2006, 12:36 PM
Interesting.

kidsmoke1959
02-02-2006, 12:38 PM
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/0utlier/Avitars/crybaby.jpg

lrrp22
02-02-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Kurfurst__:
LRRP I think nobody is too interested in this little rant which you post for what, 6th time for now?
Nobody is interested in the umphteenth rehearsal of a story, oh sorry, 'facts', that depicts little else than fanboi side bias.
Stop flogging a dead horse. You should realize that the sooner you put up with the fact that the 109K get 2000HP soon the better for you.

Again, Isegrim, disprove a single thing I have posted. As usual, you attack me for posting on this topic, but you never actually address the points I make- for obvious reasons. Butch2k, the source of virtually all of your 1.98 ata data, has put your spin on the actual history of 1.98 ata into the proper context. A context that is so very lacking in your claims.

You accusing someone of 'fanboism' is the ultimate in hypocrisy.

LRRP

BTW, I'm sending Oleg a detailed request asking that the Mustang III's speeds be drastically reduced at some altitudes. Can I count on you to do the same for the K-4's drastically overmodeled climb? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

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BSS_CUDA
02-02-2006, 01:35 PM
I'm just waiting to hear all the whinning from people like Kurfy when we prove that 100/150 fuel was used in the ETO in mass quantity in June 44, we already have to documentation, and the Increase in HP in the likes of planes like the P-51 + P-38L with the later at almost 2000 HP per engine, thats 4000HP http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif as it stands now we can prove that the ingame climb rate of the 38L is off by at least 500+ FPM, ingame it climbs at around 3500 FPM and it should climb at almost 4100FPM. what the H3LL if they can fanboy a plane and get it put into game. why cant we get the one's in game corrected. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif I suggest everyone one that has a favorite plane. lrrp with the Mustang and whoever is a Spit fanboy. do a buttload of research and get your plane correct and ingame. obviously it works. see I have no problem with the new K, BFD http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif and as for the blues that like to scream Red has 126 planes to the Blues 42, keep inmind that Red is still very short in the number of omitted American planes there are. I'm sure some of our British friends could come up with their planes that are not in game. one of which is the Mossy

38F,G,H
F4U-4 B,C
AVENGER
51K
47M
40K,L,M

I could go on, but I think you get my drift, as where many of the blue planes are near fantasy (very limited service) or are total fantasy planes (109Z), most of the omitted Red planes saw service in numbers. Just a thought http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

ploughman
02-02-2006, 01:49 PM
You know, this is getting a bit scarey.

BSS_CUDA
02-02-2006, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Ploughman:
You know, this is getting a bit scarey. ya I know My spelling was horrid, http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif Sorry its corrected now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Hristo_
02-02-2006, 02:11 PM
Originally posted by kidsmoke1959:
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/0utlier/Avitars/crybaby.jpg

How's that devotion coming along, ShindenExperte ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

crazyivan1970
02-02-2006, 02:13 PM
I think i asked kinda politely to drop the subject and go to PM? Please dont make me re-open my vacation agency...will ya?

p1ngu666
02-02-2006, 02:30 PM
i swear half the lw fliers are turning japanease, or part italian (they did have sexy planes)

sure, spitfires are way better, if u dont know about the W key on german planes, love to tnb like a classic japanease fighter, and or have no paitence to use a healthy speed/climb advantage

carguy_
02-02-2006, 04:43 PM
Pingu,some here saw your 109 flying skills.All I can say that you`re the least person to comment on using its advantages http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

MrMojok
02-02-2006, 04:54 PM
http://www.jordansplace.net/burningman/bm2001/burn.jpg


BURN

VW-IceFire
02-02-2006, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Pingu,some here saw your 109 flying skills.All I can say that you`re the least person to comment on using its advantages http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
I know he's a better 109 pilot than I am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

p1ngu666
02-02-2006, 06:03 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Pingu,some here saw your 109 flying skills.All I can say that you`re the least person to comment on using its advantages http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

quite, im sooooo terrible in i aprently turned and burned against 4 la7's aces, and erm won.

doh.

then i hopped in a f4, and outclimbed and outran spitvb's, something impossible according to some.

again, my *complete* lack of 109 skill blazing through yet again.

carguy is almost certainly a better pilot than me in a 109 ofcourse, just recently he learned howto use mw50 properly (ingame anyways).

109s arent too hard to fly when you know how, dont tnb too much cos most other planes are better (slighty), tho 109 is really stable...
109s are often abit faster, climb better, really dynamic if you mix it up, you simply haveto use those advantages.

i do surprisingly well in 109's for someone devoid of all 109skills.

Tooz_69GIAP
02-02-2006, 06:22 PM
This thread is a bit nuts!!!

I love flying 109s, and if I wasn't CO of a VVS squad, I would prolly fly Lufty!!

I can't wait to strap into the new K-4, and I'm chomping at the bit to try out the Pfeil!!

But what I'm really looking forward to is zooming around in one of those sexy Italian birds, blasting Spits and Hurries outta the sky!!!

And as to the validity of the 25lbs Spit IX, I believe it is being introduced in lieu of a Spit XIV? I may be wrong, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Whether it's right or not, I don't care coz it's coming into the game. If you don't wanna fly in it, or against it, then avoid the late war servers!! Simple!

carguy_
02-02-2006, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
quite, im sooooo terrible in i aprently turned and burned against 4 la7's aces, and erm won.

Great,keep training with AI,you will learn more.




then i hopped in a f4, and outclimbed and outran spitvb's, something impossible according to some.

..........What?


again, my *complete* lack of 109 skill blazing through yet again.

Yes,I only tried to get a point across that you don`t talk bout what you don`t have any idea of.


carguy is almost certainly a better pilot than me in a 109 ofcourse, just recently he learned howto use mw50 properly (ingame anyways).

Better means different things for different ppl.K/D is the main stat for me.If all LW fighter pilots flew like me there would be hardly any fighter losses.IMO as a fighter you aint making any contribution to overall victory if you keep making your airforce losing planes.

And flying succesfuly without playing with MW50 states clearly bout my skills.


109s arent too hard to fly when you know how, dont tnb too much cos most other planes are better (slighty), tho 109 is really stable...
109s are often abit faster, climb better, really dynamic if you mix it up, you simply haveto use those advantages.

Whatever,same year Spit does all the things better.


i do surprisingly well in 109's for someone devoid of all 109skills.

Yes,you`re devoid of those.You fly a Me109 same as you fly the Spitfire.That`s enough of an insult for the Me109.

bodaw
02-02-2006, 08:50 PM
Hi Ivan and everyone else, Pingu and other Red flyers are complaining about the new K4's flight model and that makes me wonder if they've already gotten the patch and flight tested already or are they just having wet dreams about what if scenerios. If it was the latter I seriously hope they're going through puberty, but if not I think we should all pitch in for them to have a psychiatric evaluation.

Respectfully yours.

VW-IceFire
02-02-2006, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
This thread is a bit nuts!!!

I love flying 109s, and if I wasn't CO of a VVS squad, I would prolly fly Lufty!!

I can't wait to strap into the new K-4, and I'm chomping at the bit to try out the Pfeil!!

But what I'm really looking forward to is zooming around in one of those sexy Italian birds, blasting Spits and Hurries outta the sky!!!

And as to the validity of the 25lbs Spit IX, I believe it is being introduced in lieu of a Spit XIV? I may be wrong, but I'm sure I read that somewhere. Whether it's right or not, I don't care coz it's coming into the game. If you don't wanna fly in it, or against it, then avoid the late war servers!! Simple!
A Spitfire IX with +25lbs of boost is quite simply that. Its no Spitfire XIV...totally different realm of performance. The XIV would be completely different in performance and handling.

Even with +25lbs of boost, the top speed of the Spitfire IX is still going to be 409mph (at 6500m or so). Its just that its top speed at lower altitudes is closer to its max than the lower boosted variant. In comparison the Spitfire XIV is yet another 10mph to 35mph faster than a extra boosted IX depending on altitude. It would also handle worse, weigh more, and have more torque to offset some of the other advantages. The XIV would almost become a BNZ machine but still retain some of the turn rate.

p1ngu666
02-03-2006, 04:31 AM
yep, i fly 109 like a spitfire, and 190s. and zeros. and corsairs.

ie, too their advantages http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

and i hardly ever fly against ai offline, i fly nearly all coops, so some human, some ai...

indeed. u are a better 109 jock, i ment to edit that, but i went to bed instead http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif.

if u mean same year as in same year only 43 then your right.

spits a better close in dogfighter, but then it was irl..

bodaw, the new k4 isnt in the leaked beta, nor is 25lb spit. but we know what current k4 performs like, so u can guesstimate what 200~ extra hp will do.

and no i dont have beta http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Siwarrior
02-03-2006, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i swear half the lw fliers are turning japanease, or part italian (they did have sexy planes)
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif


the pizza is goin to get bigger http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

RegRag1977
02-03-2006, 05:44 AM
Originally posted by bodaw:
Hi Ivan and everyone else, Pingu and other Red flyers are complaining about the new K4's flight model and that makes me wonder if they've already gotten the patch and flight tested already or are they just having wet dreams about what if scenerios. If it was the latter I seriously hope they're going through puberty, but if not I think we should all pitch in for them to have a psychiatric evaluation.

Respectfully yours.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gifGood remark! Agree100%
Happy to read someone senseful here! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Pinker15
02-03-2006, 05:51 AM
I handle 109 and Spit the same pretty good and must say that Yes Spit is better dogfighter than 109 but needs more carefull handling in fight than 109. Needs proper tactic to not give even one oportunity for lucky shoot too. Good spit pilot needs more hours of training than 109 pilot because U need to learn not only tactic of flying but how to handle plane to fly on edge and not stall that bird allaround. Everybody knows that 109 dont stall at all like La5/7 familly.

csThor
02-03-2006, 05:59 AM
I'm finding it fascinating how a bunch of (supposedly) adult folks can throw themselves into a tantrum 'cause of such an "issue". And - as I seem to recall - we don't even have the final product in our hands, yet.

I mean my boss calls our company a big kindergarten, but this board tops it easily. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif