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Esel1964
12-09-2006, 03:01 AM
Those old enough to remember the Mister Microphone (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYEXBTlWf_4) commercials will,maybe get a chuckle out,before the dry-heaves start. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/partyhat.gif

Strange days indeed! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Chasing the halftracks across the sandflats,got a nice pine box,for that desert fox,machine guns blaring,and Arabs staring wondering why,the Westerners are there.It's the same old story,and it'll happen again."

LStarosta
12-09-2006, 07:14 AM
If ramblings on HL are to be trusted, people have already circumvented it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Pig_Mac
12-09-2006, 07:17 AM
Originally posted by LStarosta:
If ramblings on HL are to be trusted, people have already circumvented it. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Sadly it's true. The annoying 'keep dvd in' only affects us buyers.

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slipBall
12-09-2006, 07:17 AM
Still waiting for dvd...hope not to have much

Beuf_Ninja
12-09-2006, 07:22 AM
Will this mean I'll have to uninstall Nero? Seeing that windows has no native DVD compilation software I use Nero to back up alot of my files and Securom seems to regard Nero as CD/DVD emulation software.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Pig_Mac
12-09-2006, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
Will this mean I'll have to uninstall Nero? Seeing that windows has no native DVD compilation software I use Nero to back up alot of my files and Securom seems to regard Nero as CD/DVD emulation software.

I had no problem with nero installed.. an old version of it though.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">


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Beuf_Ninja
12-09-2006, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by Xallo_72:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
Will this mean I'll have to uninstall Nero? Seeing that windows has no native DVD compilation software I use Nero to back up alot of my files and Securom seems to regard Nero as CD/DVD emulation software.

I had no problem with nero installed.. an old version of it though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sweet http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Akronnick
12-09-2006, 07:54 AM
At least SecuROM comes from a company that people have heard of. I feel more comfortable allowing software from Sony rather than some Startup from Russia that no-one's ever heard of.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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12-09-2006, 08:06 AM
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LStarosta
12-09-2006, 08:08 AM
Originally posted by Akronnick:
At least SecuROM comes from a company that people have heard of. I feel more comfortable allowing software from Sony rather than some Startup from Russia that no-one's ever heard of.

Yeah, I mean... I totally trust enormous corporations.

I would NEVER want to put Russian software on my computer.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
12-09-2006, 08:17 AM
If people dont support the game by buying it, the games will stop being produced. Period.

There are already too few people playing flight sims for 1C to make much profit, notice how MS gave up making CFS? Il2 will go the same way if everyone just pirates it.

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GerritJ9
12-09-2006, 08:17 AM
LSarasota, if you dont want to put Russian software on your computer....... why have you installed IL2FB/AEP/PF??????????? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Xiolablu3
12-09-2006, 08:18 AM
Originally posted by GerritJ9:
LSarasota, if you dont want to put Russian software on your computer....... why have you installed IL2FB/AEP/PF??????????? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


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Hanglands
12-09-2006, 08:18 AM
"it has been known to cause problems. It installs a shell extension that, for example, prevents Windows Explorer from deleting 16-bit executables"

From :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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NonWonderDog
12-09-2006, 08:19 AM
SecuROM isn't that bad, really. It is extremely annoying if you use a lot of 16 bit dos programs, though. SecuROM installs an explorer shell extension that seems to do absolutely nothing else but eliminate the ability to delete 16 bit executable files in explorer. It took me ages to figure out what was going on.
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You can unregister and delete this (these) .dll(s) with absolutely no ill effects, and almost all SecuROM protected games will run without it. Several do check for it, though, and lots of them recreate and re-register the .dll on run. It's really annoying. Replacing the .dll with a blank read-only file works most of the time, though, which means that it's not integral to the protection, which is REALLY annoying.

Slapp
12-09-2006, 08:28 AM
At this moment in time I am rather skeptical about Securom and the way it routes itself deep onto your PC registries to keep a check on things and makes a decision to allow your disk to work or not depending on what software/hardware(?)you have installed. I have read a few posts with people having problems with/after installing 1946 with it, but to be fair, it could just be users based or simply a faulty disk.
I am obviously not an expert in these matter and can only relate to things in layman's terms, but it all seems rather intrusive to me and that is what is primarily making me lose confidence in the product. I hope and wish that I am totally wrong and all will be just fine, but that's how I feel at the moment.
Also one no longer has the ability to play the sim without having to having the DVD in its drive which for me is a pain(putting in/taking out/putting away, possibility of disk damage and slower access times); seems silly really to start now after all this time having enjoyed the whole series with a no-cd required...So why start now?
I have cancelled my pre-order until I am sure all is ok or there is a no-dvd fix for it. I will get on with enjoying the rest of this classic sim and hope for the best.
I do think Ubi's anti-piracy strategy will cause more problems than solutions in the long run though; perhaps some online product registration/validation might be a better option?

Here is a long thread on this very subject at SimHQ with lots of opinions on the matter:
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb....;t=007216;p=6#000190 (http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/boards/bbs/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=144;t=007216;p=6#00 0190)

A word of warning, unleashing the SecurRom beast can raise people's testosterone levels through the roof, so best we keep things as civil as is humanly possible or the lock-man will appear and put us to rest http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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NonWonderDog
12-09-2006, 08:33 AM
Well, SecuROM relies on "faulty disks" to work. SecuROM protected disks have a pattern cut into them, interspersed with the data; the protection software just looks for this pattern. There used to be a few CD and DVD drives that couldn't handle this and refused to read the disks, but I think anything sold today can read them without problem.

Some burner/burning software combinations are reputed to be able to recreate the pattern, sometimes, but generally SecuROM is pretty effective at preventing copying. Until, of course, someone releases a cracked executable, which usually happens the day before the game is released. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

ruby_monkey
12-09-2006, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Akronnick:
I feel more comfortable allowing software from Sony rather than some Startup from Russia that no-one's ever heard of.
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Oh, wait - you're serious?

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LEBillfish
12-09-2006, 09:02 AM
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Box-weasel
12-09-2006, 09:07 AM
Who here has installed 46 on a DVD-RW and what brand do you have? Asking cux this is all I have on my computer. Thanks.