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Woof603
05-29-2006, 09:11 AM
Reading Claypidgon's thread about the model B52 I followed this link in Kajr's posting:
http://s92270093.onlinehome.us/crmdevel/resources/paper/darkblue/darkblue.htm
and found a report of the 1994 B52 crash while practising for an airshow. Arrogance, lack of leadership, broken friendships, refusals to fly quoted in this report paint a scenario straight out of Hollywood.

kajr
05-29-2006, 11:25 AM
Woof603, thanks for that link. I never knew what led up to that tragic crash. One wonders if it was a situation where McGeehan was attempting to wrest control of the plane away from Holland. Or was Holland on a suicide mission...

Here is the URL to the video of the crash:

http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/B-52%20Crash.mpg

I wonder if there are videos available of Holland's other illegal flights that led up to this one.

Friendly_flyer
05-29-2006, 12:07 PM
Thanks for the link.

I wonder how such a pilot would have been seen and handeled during a war situation.

rnzoli
05-30-2006, 03:32 AM
During a war situation, more missions are flown and it would have brought a faster end to his career. Either by crashing, or being shot down, injured or becoming a POW.

By the way, excellent link. Seeing the accident from the prespective of leadership failure is quite unique and useful.

HotelBushranger
05-30-2006, 03:40 AM
Reading...very interesting. Thanks for the link.

Skarphol
05-30-2006, 04:56 AM
Originally posted by kajr:
I wonder if there are videos available of Holland's other illegal flights that led up to this one.

Here is a bit moore:
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129710400/B52_Crash


Skarphol

kajr
05-30-2006, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by Skarphol:
Here is a bit more:

Thanks, that news story shows the incident where Holland buzzed a hilltop with around 30 feet of clearance (in a B52). McGeehan unsuccessfully tried to get Holland grounded after this, and then vowed to always fly with Holland from then on in order to try to keep control in the air. A deep animosity between the two was common knowledge. McGeehan was true to his word, he was "2nd in command" on the doomed B52.

Woof603
05-30-2006, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Skarphol:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by kajr:
I wonder if there are videos available of Holland's other illegal flights that led up to this one.

Here is a bit moore:
http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1129710400/B52_Crash


Skarphol </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the link. Such a sad story.

trumper
05-30-2006, 07:53 AM
One selfish idiot takes 3 other innocent people with him,those that did'nt ground him have blood on their hands. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
I do wonder how Holland managed to do it with McGeehan in the cockpit.
I can't begin to imagine how the Family of McGeehan must've felt watching that.

Bremspropeller
05-30-2006, 07:54 AM
Onb another site, a former B-52 jock wrote that exceeding the normal flight procedures was normal during the SEA campaing - they'd always exceed 65? of bank, avoiding SA-2 SAMs over northern Vietnam.

They didn't do that at low altitudes tho.

Slickun
05-30-2006, 08:57 AM
My Dad grounded several pilots during his stint as Commander of the 87th FIS in the mid 60's.

The F-101B was a very hot, but unforgiving, airplane, unlike several that he had flown. Any deviations from "the book" really did result in crashes.

Dad was at the end of his flying career, and had to reign in a couple of hot rock pilots that did not respect the Voodoo the way it needed to be respected.

rnzoli
05-30-2006, 09:09 AM
Originally posted by trumper:
I do wonder how Holland managed to do it with McGeehan in the cockpit.

I think there was a struggle between them. I don't see the slightest attempt to reduce the bank angle at all.

IIRC once someone commented that you can see one ejection seat going off in that clip, but too late to avoid crashing with the plane as well.

rnzoli
05-30-2006, 09:22 AM
interesting comments on this event, supposedly from the daugther of the pilot, and acquintant of the co-pilot as well

very intimate discussions

http://w1.rob.com/pix/view_comments.php?set_albumName=B52_crash

AVGWarhawk
05-30-2006, 10:04 AM
I would think that any attempt to reduce bank angle would have been futile at best. Definitly not a piper cub you can correct a mistake readily. I will tell you this, my Uncle served on aircraft carriers in the Pacific. He said the pilots were just hotdogs and nuts. He vowed never to fly in a airplane again and to this day at 82 years old, he has not flown in a plane. Yes, the jet jocks can get theirselves and other in a whole lot of trouble!

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
05-30-2006, 10:11 AM
Yes did some poking around on this one also. A remarkable and sobering story. Realy does make you wonder.