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Quint1974
10-18-2004, 01:23 AM
Just curious when I will start seeing it in the stores?

~Q~

The_Ant
10-18-2004, 02:00 AM
Its not out yet, it will be released 21-22 in europe,and in usa and other countries around 9nov.Unless you have preordered it from Ubisoft Europe.And those whom have it already are pirates,which this forum dont whant to hear about.

hobnail
10-18-2004, 03:18 AM
I had it but some topical cream cleared it right up.

Nubarus
10-18-2004, 04:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Ant:
And those whom have it already are pirates <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wrong, I have a copy of PF right here in my hand fresh from UbiSoft delivered last Friday.

We had a flight event last weekend in Lelystad (That's in the Netherlands btw) and due to UbiSoft sponsoring did we receive 5 copies of PF so we could show it off at the event.

Big succes btw, people loved it and so did we. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Tater-SW-
10-18-2004, 08:36 AM
Well, you have a real copy, do tell! (unless you are proscribed from doing so until the real release date)

Any obvious FMB changes?
---can we park AI planes?
---any unexpected additions in units, or FMB capability?
---any maps we weren't already privy to from reviews?

What're parafrags like?

How about skip-bombing?

Any unmentioned planes showing up as a surprise?

New clouds?


tater

actionhank1786
10-18-2004, 08:41 AM
TALK NEBARUS!!!
Or we get the dogs out! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
You don't want to make me angry.
You wouldnt like me when i'm angry! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Haha but seriously, are the torpedos fixed?
I hope so, shut up a couple hundrer Torpedo-whiners

GT182
10-18-2004, 08:46 AM
Come on Tater-SW and Actionhank1786, do you guys really want to ruin the suprise? LOL

We'll all hear about it this Friday from the guys in Europe. Then you can drool for real. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif [wiping saliva off my keyboard now with the anticipation]

T_O_A_D
10-18-2004, 09:12 AM
Yes guys a very few select people have it already, even here in the states. All of them managed to get a legal copy by working at a show displaying it to the public. They have been told not to host or spill info, short at the show about PF.

Oh I am not one of them but a freind of one. So I guess we just have to wait.

Nubarus
10-18-2004, 09:43 AM
Too short to answer the questions asked already, well most of em.
I got my copy on Saturday morning when I arrived in Lelystad, installed it, tried out a few things (Carrier landings and take off at first) and then went into the mission builder to build a few PF related missions for the show that started a few hours later.

The para-frags are really well done animation wise and are a vehicle convoy's worsed nightmare, I bet you will like em.
It basicly looks like a.....no wait, you want to see that for yourself, there is a track of it to show it off, done by the 1C guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I haven't noticed anything different regarding skip bombing though.

I didn't test the high alt torpedo drop yet. (If that is what you mean)

Park planes on a carrier you mean? Well, I find moving around on a carrier pretty difficult and fell off the side a few times already when attempting to taxi around.
You cannot park them below deck but you can park it anywhere on the deck.

I didn't explore the FMB and the maps enough to give any comment on it, sorry.

I didn't see any surprise plane yet but there sure are a lot of Zero variants around and you "Zeke" lovers will like the 1944 version, it surprised the hell out of me when I met a few of them in my Corsair. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Overall I have a good impression of PF and enjoyed myself with my Squadmates this weekend.

Oh yeah, the AAA/FLAK comming of those ships is really frightning.
When you attempt to attack a carrier group you better bring a lot of your friends along and hopefully some will make it back home. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Tater-SW-
10-18-2004, 09:50 AM
Thanks for the reply. I should have been more specific on the "park planes" question. We've already heard that that doesn;t work with regard to CVs, I was thinking at airfields.

Way back in IL-2, and FB you could trick some AI planes into sitting where you put them by making 2 waypoints, setting them to take off and land, then changing them back to normalfly---the resultant alt/speed would be 0/0. This made for really cool strafing missions because you could mix a few "real" planes in with the static planes and have some neat effects (like smoke/fire) after a strafing run. This would be praticularly cool with parafrags I think.

tater

Nubarus
10-18-2004, 10:02 AM
I was unaware of that trick Tater so I have no idea if it's possible in PF.

sapre
10-18-2004, 10:47 AM
Is LSO featured? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

weasel75
10-18-2004, 12:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sapre:
Is LSO featured? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Checking all the LSO-threads on the forum .. this seems to stay the big unanswered question http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

MooseNoodles
10-18-2004, 12:24 PM
Guys go check every shop that sells computer games (mainly large stores) some places put it out by mistake early as its already in the stock room waiting for the sell date.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank god for muppets that stack shelves..
(no offence to any shelf stackers)

Cheers!!

Moose

Nubarus
10-18-2004, 12:25 PM
I didn't see any LSO so far.

diabloblanco1
10-18-2004, 01:07 PM
I was not going to make any posts, but since there are others like me I will.

I was lucky enough to get a legal copy this weekend too. Needless to say Oleg has outdone himself IMHO. The first time you loadup a mission where you takeoff from a carrier you will be blown away. You unfold the wings on deck, open your canopy, manually set your mix and raditor settings, drop the choks and off you go. I made the mistake of overloading my corsair and flipped into the water a few times.
The Perfect water is better.


There are a good amount of planes and all types of new objects to take advantage of in the mission builder. The map sizes are HUGE. Seems like they are at least double the size of FB maps. Lots of water.

Oleg did so much in the game concerning little things like the PTO steel grated airfields, radio silence option for AI flights, Kamikazie's etc... The game also seems to be optimized as you can have so much more going on without frame hits than in FB. The only exception is when more than a few ships are firing(CPU and VC specific), but that is understandable.

Overall, Oleg has a hit. I can't see any flight sim fan not being happy with PF.

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 02:08 PM
ok all I want to know is how well does the corsair fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 02:11 PM
I can't wait till November 9th.rrrr. So i'm pounding Japs in War in the Pacific. Greatest WW2 strategy game ever BTW.

diabloblanco1
10-18-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
ok all I want to know is how well does the corsair fly http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Very well but not uber like some idiots are saying. The most impressive thing is the variety of loadouts she can carry. There is also a version with 4 20mm hispano cannons. They appear to be very stable and have great hitting power.

The late model zero's 44-45 are a very formidable foe however. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Platypus_1.JaVA
10-18-2004, 03:10 PM
Forgive me Oleg, for I have sin

I will buy two copies to make it up...

Macca_Man
10-18-2004, 03:14 PM
can you confirm that the muzzleflashes have been removed almost completely on all planes, including the 30mm On the 109s??

ill have my Copy tomorrow but i wanna know for sure http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Yellonet
10-18-2004, 03:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec_George:
Greatest WW2 strategy game ever BTW. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What is? I hope you're not calling PF a... euii.. strategy game...

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 03:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif"War in the Pacific: Struggle against Japan 1941-1945" from Matrix games. This is really huge game from 12/07/41 to March 46 with all aspect air & naval war, and logistics modelling. AI is ok, but to get 100% satisfaction you have to play PBEM.

I actually going to buy PF because i'm such a fun of WitP. May be I'll even buy Gold Pack if they have it at EBGames.

MooseNoodles
10-18-2004, 03:30 PM
Muzzle flashes reduced.. Im not gonna go through every plane to verify its across the board though..

GT182
10-18-2004, 03:49 PM
Alec_George, I think you'd be better off buying the Gold Pack and installing PF after it, as an addon. Just so you don't screw it up, make sure you install Patches 2.01 and 2.04 (only) after you install FB then AEP.

LStarosta
10-18-2004, 03:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MooseNoodles:
Guys go check every shop that sells computer games (mainly large stores) some places put it out by mistake early as its already in the stock room waiting for the sell date.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thank god for muppets that stack shelves..
(no offence to any shelf stackers)

Cheers!!

Moose <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Right on, I found my copy at a Walmart. Checked back the next day and they were removed from the shelves. Talk about timing.

Bought JG7_Rall a copy too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

Tater-SW-
10-18-2004, 04:18 PM
Are any of you that have real copies good with the FMB?

I'd be interested to see what happens if you task a B-25H with attacking a ship. It should skip bomb, otherwise any skip bombing in game will either be done by players alone, or via the really flakey method we can use now in AEP.

I'd add that the current method gets a single bomber to drop all bombs, and doesn't strafe while approaching. Do it with a flight, and if you can get more than 1 to skip the bombs at all (usually the lead ship skips bombs, the rest just drop and blow), they'll drop in formation on just the one target (all but one missing). It's impossible to get them to skip with a SET gattack waypoint. I'm really curious about this, since mast-height ati-shipping attacks are one of the coolest things to do in the PTO, IMO.

Hey, another thing to check is to set a delay on your bombs, and bomb a ship and see what happens. Without a delay, skip bombing is really hard (you can skip with any fighter-bomber in AEP, just remember to drop kinda far and turn/climb away FAST, if you try a standard ww2 200mph/200ft drop, you'll die.

tater

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 06:00 PM
Whats the deal with muzzle flashes anyways?

i've read somewhere on boards that they made P40 first as it was - pretty mediocre plane. And than on "public demand" they patched it up and It became super duper killer bird in later versions. is it right?

TheJayMan
10-18-2004, 06:30 PM
I, too, must confess to Oleg that I have sinned. But I also promise to buy it as soon as it is in stores, and a second copy for my son.

Some highlights:

Muzzle flashes much smaller now.

No LSO.

Fans of F4U and F6F will NOT be dissapointed, believe me. F4U is really impressive, only vice is that it has elevator authority that is about between P-38 and P-51. Otherwise, I find it absolute best high altitude energy fighter in any sim I've ever played. Loadouts are simply incredible, and put P-47 to shame, believe it or not. You can load up AP HVARS, Napalm tanks, external fuel all at once. Only problem is getting off the boat with all that stuff aboard. Oh, and F4U-1C is 4x20mm. Dude. Words fail me to describe the awesome killing ability of this particular machine.

Engine sounds: same old, same old.

Much better damage modeling when flying through the debris fields of exploded airplanes (which happens all the time when you're wasting Jap planes ;-) I can't tell you how many times I've blown a Zeke at 50 yards and had pieces of his wrecked ship cutting big chunks into my Corsair. Good stuff)

Maps: Coral Sea, Midway, Hawaii, Wake, Tarawa, Chichi Jimi, Iwo, Okinawa, southern Japan home island, Coral Sea, Guadalcanal, New Guniea.
No Solomons, no Marianas, no Truk.

Carrier landings: very hard, planes tend to float a lot, bad tail up floating makes it hard to get the hook to trap, I am having great luck with my slip-to-land technique, crab it in from the side, induce a slip so you can see the deck and to increase your sink rate, plop it down hard.

That, and much much more! I must say that I am extremely impressed and I think you all will be as well. I'm going back to practice my traps some more! Bye

Future-
10-18-2004, 06:45 PM
TheJayMan wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I, too, must confess to Oleg that I have sinned. But I also promise to buy it as soon as it is in stores... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Lol, I wonder where the witch hunters are now... talk about "immediately ban anyone who shows up here talking about his pirated version".
Pah, I knew it was just some short-lived hysteria.

Well, since we are through with this, let's get back to the topic.

Guys, big question: Did you discover any bugs/problems yet?

S!

sapre
10-18-2004, 08:11 PM
It sounds really exciting and great except for no LSO... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif
I hope Oleg will feature in patch near future...

e5kimo
10-18-2004, 08:16 PM
keep in mind 25pounds of that is for shipping if you order from ubi uk who sets the retail price at 29.. do yourself a favour. buy locally and support your specialist pc shop.
even if that means you ll have to wait a week

edit: hmmm it seems i replied to the wrong thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 08:22 PM
What is LSO and BoB? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/351.gif

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 08:26 PM
LSO is the guy who helps a pilote land on a carrier by giveing him directions. BoB is the game 1c is working on for a 2006 release BoB = battle of briton.

nearmiss
10-18-2004, 08:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nubarus:
Too short to answer the questions asked already, well most of em.
I got my copy on Saturday morning when I arrived in Lelystad, installed it, tried out a few things (Carrier landings and take off at first) and then went into the mission builder to build a few PF related missions for the show that started a few hours later.

The para-frags are really well done animation wise and are a vehicle convoy's worsed nightmare, I bet you will like em.
It basicly looks like a.....no wait, you want to see that for yourself, there is a track of it to show it off, done by the 1C guys. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I haven't noticed anything different regarding skip bombing though.

I didn't test the high alt torpedo drop yet. (If that is what you mean)

Park planes on a carrier you mean? Well, I find moving around on a carrier pretty difficult and fell off the side a few times already when attempting to taxi around.
You cannot park them below deck but you can park it anywhere on the deck.

I didn't explore the FMB and the maps enough to give any comment on it, sorry.

I didn't see any surprise plane yet but there sure are a lot of Zero variants around and you "Zeke" lovers will like the 1944 version, it surprised the hell out of me when I met a few of them in my Corsair. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Overall I have a good impression of PF and enjoyed myself with my Squadmates this weekend.

Oh yeah, the AAA/FLAK comming of those ships is really frightning.
When you attempt to attack a carrier group you better bring a lot of your friends along and hopefully some will make it back home. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did the pilots actually move their aircraft around on carrier decks in WW2?

All aircraft have been moved around on carrier decks by tractors at least since Korea. Sure the pilot moved forward when the cable was released, but that was pretty well it.

Even the old Essex CVA 9 was still in commission in the sixties and they used tractors (Special built tractors with lead blocks over the rear dual wheels) for towing aircraft on the hanger and flight decks.

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 09:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
LSO is the guy who helps a pilote land on a carrier by giveing him directions. BoB is the game 1c is working on for a 2006 release BoB = battle of briton. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks. I was ravaging net in search of PF (nothing earlier than Oct 29 in Canada) and found something about Combat over Europe addon.
Is it something from 1C or 3rd party?

Tater-SW-
10-18-2004, 09:15 PM
They were moved around by muscle power, though typically not the pilots. Think the guys moving the planes were blueshirts.

tater

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 09:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec_George:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by fordfan25:
LSO is the guy who helps a pilote land on a carrier by giveing him directions. BoB is the game 1c is working on for a 2006 release BoB = battle of briton. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Thanks. I was ravaging net in search of PF (nothing earlier than Oct 29 in Canada) and found something about Combat over Europe addon.
Is it something from 1C or 3rd party? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i think its a 3rd party add on. I hear its good.I never was able to find a copy any were.

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 09:22 PM
EBgames release Oct 18, $19.99 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Alec_George
10-18-2004, 09:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJayMan:
I, too, must confess to Oleg that I have sinned. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I still hooold ooon.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

The_Pharoah
10-18-2004, 09:35 PM
Has anyone tried the B25 yet?

diabloblanco1
10-18-2004, 09:59 PM
Yes the B-25 is in there as a flyable. Yes I have tried it.

sukebeboy
10-18-2004, 10:06 PM
Can you confirm or deny that the DGEN is still broken?

Someone mentioned the RAAF campaign is unplayable due to AI planes constantly flying into hills.

necrobaron
10-18-2004, 11:00 PM
I'm green with envy. Perhaps I should give my local EB a call tomorrow in the off-chance that they may have it on the shelves. Of course if they do, calling them might make them realize a mistake has been made. Hmmmmm.....

I really don't want to wait until November if there's any chance that I can (legally) get PF now. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

TheJayMan
10-18-2004, 11:40 PM
hmm, just saw the warning post, kinda wishing I could go back in time and retract my comments. Oh well, nothing I can do now, except to say that I think PF is a superlative accomplishment.

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 11:50 PM
delete post?. no one can ever say i ever did anything like that.....not that im above anything like that , just that im to stupid to do anything like that lol http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif. man the waiting realy gets hard when you this close to release date OooO it hurts. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fordfan25
10-18-2004, 11:55 PM
o J/K by the way http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

The_Ant
10-19-2004, 12:59 AM
Ok! those whom now have it legal and illegal!
Can you tell how it runs on your system,and what your system is,and what graphic setting you have (excellent or perfect etc..).

Nubarus
10-19-2004, 02:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
Did the pilots actually move their aircraft around on carrier decks in WW2?

All aircraft have been moved around on carrier decks by tractors at least since Korea. Sure the pilot moved forward when the cable was released, but that was pretty well it.

Even the old Essex CVA 9 was still in commission in the sixties and they used tractors (Special built tractors with lead blocks over the rear dual wheels) for towing aircraft on the hanger and flight decks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You are right, but since the tractors are not available in PF you have no other option then to try it yourself.

Nubarus
10-19-2004, 02:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by The_Ant:
Ok! those whom now have it legal and illegal!
Can you tell how it runs on your system,and what your system is,and what graphic setting you have (excellent or perfect etc..). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It runs smooth as silk here on my AMD64 3200+ 1mb cache, 1024mb pc3200 RAM, SB Audigy2 and ATI X800Pro 256mb.

Because I play in 1600x1200 32bit I cannot use perfect mode so I play in excellent mode with 2xFSAA and 8xQuality AF.

sukebeboy
10-19-2004, 02:33 AM
Ok, can you please, please tell me if what I heard about the DGEN is true? Could you try a RAAF campaign as a low rank and see if your flight leader is able to clear hills or not.

The viability of the single player campaign is the single most important issue to me.

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 07:31 AM
Questions for you lucky, lucky bastards 7 hours east of me http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

1. Any obvious FMB changes?

2. If you task B-25s, particularly strafers with attacking a ship (maybe with waypoint alt low?) will they do what any good B-25 would do and skip bomb?

3. Someone said the beaufighter has a torp---try dropping it at various alts and speeds. Did they create drop parameters, or can you drop them from space and have them work like Il-2?

4. Anyone skilled in the FMB could see if "parking" AI planes works.

5. Any cool vehicles/ships we haven't seen pics of yet?

tater

ploughman
10-19-2004, 07:44 AM
Check out the German site at
http://forums-de.ubi.com/eve/ubb.x?a=tpc&s=59010161&f=388104122&m=8291018132
They have it, and have posted pics.

Platypus_1.JaVA
10-19-2004, 09:53 AM
It's gt some ugly bugs though, hope they will be removed with the legal version...

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 09:56 AM
well, we know it's gonna be patched soon, so maybe they've already even fixed the bugs

tater

sukebeboy
10-19-2004, 05:32 PM
Well, the game is coming to the import store here in Japan on Friday or Saturday, so I should have my order on Sunday but if the D/GEN is still faulty (and it sounds like it is) then I don't want it.

It has never been the focus of patching and I suspect due to the fanboyism and preponderance of online only players here that it never will be.

I really would like someone to tell me if, as I have heard, the RAAF Beaufighter campaign is unplayable as the AI planes fly into mountains every time and if the IJN dive bomber campaign starting with Pearl Harbour is unwinnable as the bombs can't damage the battleships.

Tvrdi
10-19-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
Well, the game is coming to the import store here in Japan on Friday or Saturday, so I should have my order on Sunday but if the D/GEN is still faulty (and it sounds like it is) then I don't want it.

It has never been the focus of patching and I suspect due to the fanboyism and preponderance of online only players here that it never will be.

I really would like someone to tell me if, as I have heard, the RAAF Beaufighter campaign is unplayable as the AI planes fly into mountains every time and if the IJN dive bomber campaign starting with Pearl Harbour is unwinnable as the bombs can't damage the battleships. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


i heard (from a guy who is in Holland) that Vals 250 k bombs are unusable against carrier.....only 1000 k bombs on USN planes could do some damage....so japanese side is without serious medium, dive and torp bomber....

Future-
10-19-2004, 08:21 PM
@ Platypus: Unless you haven't noticed - the leaked version that is lurking around IS the release version.

I got PF here (got it today at a local shop), the bugs are in there, thus the only thing that will fix them is a patch.

S!

Alec_George
10-19-2004, 09:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheJayMan:
hmm, just saw the warning post, kinda wishing I could go back in time and retract my comments. Oh well, nothing I can do now, except to say that I think PF is a superlative accomplishment. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
What warning post? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

Alec_George
10-19-2004, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
if the D/GEN is still faulty (and it sounds like it is) then I don't want it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Common pal, cheer up. There is no single game on market which doesn't need a patch after release. And if it needs only two or three consider yourself lucky. What is really good about 1C - besides fixing the game they always add something as sweetener to medecine - planes, weapons, graphics etc. I ditched my Sacred copy back to wallmart because they said that their game is to complex to fix all the bugs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Snootles
10-19-2004, 10:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>i've read somewhere on boards that they made P40 first as it was - pretty mediocre plane. And than on "public demand" they patched it up and It became super duper killer bird in later versions. is it right? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Il-2 system P-40 performs better than its real-life counterpart because the Il-2 system doesn't take **** maintenance into account. I don't necessarily consider that a mistake. If there are inherent faults in an airplane's design/systems, I want all of those. If there are faults brought about by poor treatment of production models, now those would not be fun for me.

Alec_George
10-19-2004, 10:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
i heard (from a guy who is in Holland) that Vals 250 k bombs are unusable against carrier.....only 1000 k bombs on USN planes could do some damage....so japanese side is without serious medium, dive and torp bomber.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Do they have them as 1000kg or 1000lb (450kg)?
1000lb GP bomb was max for SBD, and was useless against BB as it didn't penetrate deck armor. That's why nippoms used 800 kg (15" naval gun rounds fith fins) at PH to actually hit battlevagons. one of those sunk Arizona BTW.

Future-
10-19-2004, 10:29 PM
Heaviest egg the SBD in PF can carry is a single 1600lb bomb.

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Alec_George
10-19-2004, 10:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Future-:
Heaviest egg the SBD in PF can carry is a single 1600lb bomb.

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Max load for SBD - fuselage mount for up to 1,600 lbs (726 kg) of bombs plus,
up to a total of 650 lbs (295 kg) of bombs carried on the wings. Never was carried operationally in order to encrease endurance.

Tater-SW-
10-19-2004, 10:41 PM
The Japanese 800kg AP bomb was carried by B5Ns, NOT D3As. It was a high alt, level (or glide) bombing Kate that hit the Arizona, not a Val.

tater

Alec_George
10-19-2004, 11:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tater-SW-:
The Japanese 800kg AP bomb was carried by B5Ns, NOT D3As. It was a high alt, level (or glide) bombing Kate that hit the Arizona, not a Val.

tater <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That is correct. Although my post was about SBD, not Val, sorry didn't point it out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif.
I like that moment in Tora!!! Tora!!! when they pull the map under the kate in hangar night before attack and kinda look like kids before christmas. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

sukebeboy
10-19-2004, 11:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec_George:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
if the D/GEN is still faulty (and it sounds like it is) then I don't want it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Common pal, cheer up. There is no single game on market which doesn't need a patch after release. And if it needs only two or three consider yourself lucky. What is really good about 1C - besides fixing the game they always add something as sweetener to medecine - planes, weapons, graphics etc. I ditched my Sacred copy back to wallmart because they said that their game is to complex to fix all the bugs. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, but the D/GEN has been buggered ever since the original release of FB and they've done nothing to fix it. Why would they now?

Alec_George
10-20-2004, 12:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
Yeah, but the D/GEN has been buggered ever since the original release of FB and they've done nothing to fix it. Why would they now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's hope for the best (although it cand be the flaw of the game engine, i.e. unfixable). It is still the best on the market. Some may argue that MSFS is more realistic, may be, but it's not that much of fun, IMHO.

sukebeboy
10-20-2004, 12:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alec_George:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by sukebeboy:
Yeah, but the D/GEN has been buggered ever since the original release of FB and they've done nothing to fix it. Why would they now? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let's hope for the best (although it cand be the flaw of the game engine, i.e. unfixable). It is still the best on the market. Some may argue that MSFS is more realistic, may be, but it's not that much of fun, IMHO. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, see the game is different things to different people. I like it a lot and all, but as I lonly play offline and I like the idea of a campaign, I don't want to shell out money for a broken game. Others can talk about all the great features that they enjoy, but if the D/GEN is still broken, it's not worth it for me.

Alec_George
10-20-2004, 02:37 PM
Right.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif Do you have some slang substitute for japanise in Japan, like we have Canuck for Canadians? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
10-20-2004, 03:43 PM
Suke relax, a 3rd Party will make good campaign.

I am making my own dynamic campaign, it will be ready soon, after BoB is releaced at the rate I'm going. But it will be different than anything that has come before.

fordfan25
10-20-2004, 03:48 PM
i hope extreme-one makes us some campaigns like the real deal and others that hes done. he does a good job