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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 11:39 PM
I was just reading some of IL-2's info on the P51D and was a little confused.
The info said it had a range of something like 1500km and the P47 had a range of 3000km.

I thought the P51D could fly for like 6 1/2 hours. Is this info correct? Whats the dilly?

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XyZspineZyX
09-27-2003, 11:39 PM
I was just reading some of IL-2's info on the P51D and was a little confused.
The info said it had a range of something like 1500km and the P47 had a range of 3000km.

I thought the P51D could fly for like 6 1/2 hours. Is this info correct? Whats the dilly?

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I'd hump her.


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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 01:37 AM
Max range for P-51D with Droptanks: 1,650 miles (2655km)

Max range for P-47D-35-RA with max external fuel: 1,800 miles (2897km)

Hope that solves your question.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 02:29 AM
I was talking about the P47D-27, and thats strange.
If the P-47 had such range than why wasnt it used as an escort fighter? I mean it was also durable, had alot of 50.'s and so on, now I hear it even flew farther and longer than the P51D?
strange



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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 02:56 AM
Only the late war models of the P47 apparently had the range. Previous to that I thought it was P47 in third, P38 in second, and P51 in first (could be my memory but P51 was always the great escort fighter).

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 03:51 AM
The P-51D set a few records back in the day, one was a non-stop flight from Los Angeles to New York. This flight was 2469 miles, took 6 hours 39 minutes, for an average speed of 370 mph or 595.46 kmh.

The P-51 has two 92 gallon wing tanks, an 85 gallon fuselage tank, and drop tanks that come in three sizes, 75 gallons each, 110 galons each, or 150 gallons each (ferrying tanks). The P-51 had a typical cruise fuel burn of 50-55 gallons per hour. So with the 150 gallon wing tanks you get:

2*92=184
2*150=300
85
+
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569 gallons total

at 50-55 gph that gives an endurance of 10.34 to 11.38 hours, (to fuel exhaustion) so at a typical cruise speed of 325 MPH (true) you would have an ultimate range of 3,250 statute miles. Factor in a reserve, combat loitering time on target etc, and you will get a greatly reduced value, but it is clear that this was a long haul aircraft that could be effective where others could not.
EDIT:3250s mile = 5,230.368 kilometers. Also, these 150 gallon tanks were generally not the ones used in combat, the 110 gallon tanks would reduce endurance by about 1.6 hours and 520 miles.

Data from the P-51 Pilot's operating handbook.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 04:04 AM
The D-35 isn't all that different from other D subtypes. The thing to remember is were talking about the maximum external fuel as well here and the optimum cruising speed without combat factored in.

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XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 05:10 AM
To quote BP_El - The P-47's a bomber, just ask Oleg.

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Seriously though, the P-47 was used as an escort fighter, then was superceeded by the longer range Mustang, IIRC, and had meanwhile found a nich in the ground attack role due to it's durability and external stores capability.

And, perhaps the primary reason is something someone here posted - the Mustang was a heck of a lot cheaper to buy than the Jug. Even in war time finaces count. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-28-2003, 08:14 AM
On long missions, P51 pilots could lean out the fuel mixture to squeeze even more fuel economy during the cruise.

The consequence was fouled spark plugs, and the ground crews must have gone through a million of 'em.



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