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VFS-214_Hawk
08-17-2005, 03:57 PM
Is there any way it can be turned off? This itself is not realistic and is almost...well, really is used as a "cheat" to see what the pilot is up against.

All I ask is can this become a server setting in the future?

Atzebrueck
08-17-2005, 06:12 PM
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BaldieJr
08-17-2005, 06:54 PM
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VT-51_Razor
08-18-2005, 07:03 AM
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GreyBeast
08-18-2005, 09:18 AM
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Is it me or do I see a trend emerging?

tigertalon
08-18-2005, 12:36 PM
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VT-51_Razor
08-19-2005, 07:44 AM
Looks like a Singular phone commercial http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

GH_Klingstroem
08-21-2005, 12:07 PM
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Deadmeat313
08-25-2005, 03:32 AM
What do you mean here? The scoresheet you can bring up that shows who is flying on what side, and what their 'ride' is?

I have to say I actually find this very useful - not as an exploit, but as a means to see whether the current game is biased to one side or other - and whether the side you choose needs more bombers or fighters. As such I'll always try to join the side with fewer existing pilots, and try to provide a useful role in the battle.

I guess having that switchable by the server provider would not be a bad thing though, if they want to add much more 'fog of war'. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

T.

VT-51_Razor
08-25-2005, 07:14 AM
Bump for this one! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

LEBillfish
08-25-2005, 08:51 AM
I'm actually of two minds about this....

On one hand, it is useful to keep track in coops of who is in your flight and you should be winging. In kind, in DF/DGen servers it shows who is often taking on the designated mission role, and who is simply playing "fighter ace" to use that info as needed (for escort or to avoid flying with even etc.)....In kind, I don't find it unreasonable that you would know what other types of planes the enemy is using.....Also, it helps in showing if the server is very unbalanced "odd wise" (23 red vs. 7 blue). Lastly ping a great help at times.

However.....

I does get misused for those trying to determine in DF/DGen servers if opponents are bombing or dogfighting...Some using that to suggest strongly where they should hunt even altering their altitude to accomodate.

In kind, in "external view" servers it often gets abused to track down a specific player...Checking tail numbers and locations, then magically showing up to pounce as the intent there is to try and best a particular individual.....


Perhaps the best compromise would be to eliminate the "enemy planes" type, plane number, really anything except "Pilot Name, ping & score"....Yet still allow you to see all information of your side's team.

JG54_Arnie
08-25-2005, 09:54 AM
More server setting options! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

It would certainly serve a usefull purpose in Dogfights. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Jetbuff
08-25-2005, 02:39 PM
I'm taking bets on how soon after such a feature is introduced some of the same people will clamour for it to be removed. Two weeks anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Honestly, if tricking your opponent by hiding your planetype is the only way you can win, perhaps you should be doing something else...

waffen-79
08-25-2005, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
I'm taking bets on how soon after such a feature is introduced some of the same people will clamour for it to be removed. Two weeks anyone? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Honestly, if tricking your opponent by hiding your planetype is the only way you can win, perhaps you should be doing something else...

I agree, there's nothing wrong with seeing enemy planes listed.

BUT one kill should mean that, one kill, I mean I shot down 2 planes in a sortie that would be +2 in the score, whats with the, -300, 100, 200, 10, etc. kinda feels like an ATARI(arcade) game.

JG54_Arnie
08-26-2005, 01:49 AM
Why would it be tricking your opponent by hiding what you're flying? Its the same for everyone. When you cant see what you're up against it makes for more surprises and it actually requires you to identify enemy planes. If you see in the list that the enemy flies spitfires only, there is no need to identify enemy planes.
A big plus part as well, noone will be able to see the scores. As it should be! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

JG5_UnKle
08-26-2005, 03:35 AM
I asked for something similar ages ago - but only really for COOP games.

1. Remove the list of aircraft from the start of the game
2. Show only Red/Blue you pick your team and THEN you see the aircraft (no switching after!)
3. In flight you can see a list of names and pings and aircraft numbers

My logic is that during COOP missions you will have no idea what sort of opposition you are up against - more realistic IMHO.

DF servers are more dynamic so some of the things I listed above really don't make sense, but the host could control what is visible to a degree i.e. Names of pilots and Pings

Jetbuff
08-26-2005, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Why would it be tricking your opponent by hiding what you're flying? Its the same for everyone. When you cant see what you're up against it makes for more surprises and it actually requires you to identify enemy planes. If you see in the list that the enemy flies spitfires only, there is no need to identify enemy planes.
Well don't make Spit only maps? Besides, a Spit Vb 1941 might look like a 1942 model but they perform very, very differently and I have yet to tell Yak models apart as they whiz past my canopy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Options are nice, but I think the reasoning behind this is a bit flawed. Remember, "it's the man not the machine." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

The obvious down-side people are missing are how people's selections might be swayed to flying only the best available aircraft when they have no idea what the opposition is flying. I will often chance an F-4 in '42 or '43 server or an A-6 in a '44 server but not if I'm flying against Spit IX's in the former or P-51's in the latter case. I'm not that good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

A big plus part as well, noone will be able to see the scores. As it should be! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif
Now this I can get behind 100%; no more kill-stealing and related whining, less vulching and, God-forbid, more honest teamwork?

JG54_Arnie
08-26-2005, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
Well don't make Spit only maps? Besides, a Spit Vb 1941 might look like a 1942 model but they perform very, very differently and I have yet to tell Yak models apart as they whiz past my canopy! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Who says I am talking about Spit only maps. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif



Options are nice, but I think the reasoning behind this is a bit flawed. Remember, "it's the man not the machine." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

The obvious down-side people are missing are how people's selections might be swayed to flying only the best available aircraft when they have no idea what the opposition is flying. I will often chance an F-4 in '42 or '43 server or an A-6 in a '44 server but not if I'm flying against Spit IX's in the former or P-51's in the latter case. I'm not that good. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
Well, you can always look through the planes selectable at all bases before picking your ride.. may I suggest to you to actually pick a sever with realistic planesets per year though.. a Spit IX in 42? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Pity though, I thought you was an Ace. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Now this I can get behind 100%; no more kill-stealing and related whining, less vulching and, God-forbid, more honest teamwork?
Could it be? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Jetbuff
08-26-2005, 04:06 AM
Originally posted by JG54_Arnie:
Well, you can always look through the planes selectable at all bases before picking your ride.. may I suggest to you to actually pick a sever with realistic planesets per year though.. a Spit IX in 42? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif
Just a wild example... Besides, if it can be "defeated", why implement it? I'm really having trouble seeing the advantage of hiding plane types...

Pity though, I thought you was an Ace. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Who? Me? I can't find my *** with both hands in the middle of the day, let alone shoot someone down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

JG54_Arnie
08-26-2005, 04:48 AM
Originally posted by Jetbuff:
Just a wild example... Besides, if it can be "defeated", why implement it? I'm really having trouble seeing the advantage of hiding plane types...
Its not about that, you still dont know what your opponent is flying when you take off, although you do know what he could be flying. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Ah, just accept the fact that its nicer man. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Its only to make the online flying more interesting. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Good servers dont have planesets where everybody can hide the fact that he's flying an uberplane because this scorelist cant be seen.



Who? Me? I can't find my *** with both hands in the middle of the day, let alone shoot someone down. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
Oh my, spare me the details.http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

geetarman
08-26-2005, 07:30 AM
A little OT and kind of a silly question, but, what do all the characters mean when pressing "S"? I know pilot name, type and ID letters, but what do the numbers in parens mean?

Kuna15
08-26-2005, 07:48 AM
I don't really mind about this one, since I see no exploit or cheat in the list of people and their planes. If only one side (red *or* blue) had the ability to see it then it would be cheat.

Also take note that with disabling it on the server, newbies would be most affected since they will not know what they are up against.

On the other hand all veterans know every rock on the map anyway, not to mention planeset.

So it would be handy but IMO only as server option (option to turn it on/off),

Kuna15
08-26-2005, 07:50 AM
Originally posted by geetarman:
A little OT and kind of a silly question, but, what do all the characters mean when pressing "S"? I know pilot name, type and ID letters, but what do the numbers in parens mean?

Numbers are their net pings (the less number is=better internet connection to the particular server is, you will see some servers will kick user if his ping goes for instance over 400), and other column mean designation on the fuselage of their aircraft.("RS-A", or "Blue 3" etc.)

rr9
08-26-2005, 09:08 AM
I don't think this option is requested because knowing enemy plane types would be an exploit or cheat. IMO it's more about making it possible to fly COOP missions so that you wouldn't know enemy plane types before your team actually sees them. What JG5_UnKle suggested would be very good for this.

Just like it is possible to use difficulty options to hide units so that you can't see their positions while viewing the scrollable map. Think about how real missions were flown. Do you think pilots always knew in advance which plane types they would encounter during the flight?

geetarman
08-26-2005, 01:32 PM
Originally posted by Kuna15:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by geetarman:
A little OT and kind of a silly question, but, what do all the characters mean when pressing "S"? I know pilot name, type and ID letters, but what do the numbers in parens mean?

Numbers are their net pings (the less number is=better internet connection to the particular server is, you will see some servers will kick user if his ping goes for instance over 400), and other column mean designation on the fuselage of their aircraft.("RS-A", or "Blue 3" etc.) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Rge that - I thought some of the numbers in the middle columns had to do with online "ratings" or something.

Bartolomeo_ita
08-27-2005, 04:26 AM
yeah, turn it off!!