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bluesman69uk
03-14-2004, 03:28 PM
I am contemplating buying one and was just wondering what it would be like for use with FB.

As there are two parts does the joystick swivel for the rudder control or is it part of the throttle control?

Just curious how it works.

The other joystick I was looking to buy was the Saitek Cyborg Evo.

Any comments would be helpful

Cheers

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bluesman69uk
03-14-2004, 03:28 PM
I am contemplating buying one and was just wondering what it would be like for use with FB.

As there are two parts does the joystick swivel for the rudder control or is it part of the throttle control?

Just curious how it works.

The other joystick I was looking to buy was the Saitek Cyborg Evo.

Any comments would be helpful

Cheers

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SkyChimp
03-14-2004, 03:31 PM
I have one. Didn't care for it and changed tyo a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.

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Taylortony
03-14-2004, 03:35 PM
I have one it rocks, and then some http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif far better than cougar. The stick does not swivel there is a rocker built in to the front of the throttle and i love that, you dont find a stick swivelling in real life http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif try one though make sure you can reach all the buttons and rocker comfortably i do and can http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SKY_BOSS
03-14-2004, 04:55 PM
Saitek X45 is one hell of a hotas setup.If you buy one get the insurance for like 10 bucks. If it brakes (and it will if you put 10 zillion hours on it)you can take it back and get new one on the spot. If your cougar brakes it byby send it away for God knows how long.

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hurg
03-14-2004, 05:00 PM
Hi Blues,

I've just switched from an MS FF Pro to the X45 this weekend. When coupled with adlabs X45 IL2 FB profile (see below for link) it's absolutely amazing. There are so many buttons/hats/knobs available that you don't actually need to touch the kbd at all.

Some words of warning to anyone considering one of these beasts though, switching to a "two controller" setup is difficult to say the least, especially if you've only ever used a normal joystick in the past.

I've spent the weekend feeling like a complete novice just because I'm having to re-train myself on the control interface, particularly my left hand which I only ever used for the odd kbd button press (and eating biscuits of course).

One thing I definitely don't like (but I'm sure I'll get used to it) is the lack of "twist stick" rudder control. The rudder switch on the X45 throttle control feels awkward and doesn't seem to have the analog range of the MS stick. To the extent in fact that I'm seriously considering some seperate pedals.

Here's a link to adlabs X45 profile:
http://www.geocities.com/adlabs6/B/#X45.

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Maj_Death
03-14-2004, 05:00 PM
The X-45 gives the best bang for your buck by far. It lasts damn near forever even when you use it all the time. Mine is a year and a half old and everything still works fine. The hats don't "click" anymore but they still work. For comparison, I have never had a Logitech last more than 3 months. One X-45 per year or two is far cheaper than four Logish*t's per year and it is far more functional. The rocker on the throttle stick is uncomfortable at first but once you get used to it you will never go back to twisty sticks.

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Bearcat99
03-14-2004, 05:09 PM
X45 is a great stick. Best HOTAS for the money if you ask me. Combined with a set of rudder pedals and a FFB stick...AWESOME.

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RaiderSix
03-14-2004, 05:20 PM
Love it. I've had it for a few months now and no problems with it. When (if) this one ever dies, I will definitely buy another. I just wish it looked like the Cougar.

ColoradoBBQ
03-14-2004, 06:49 PM
I've only one problem with mine, the trigger is too long of a pull and is now constantly jamming due to excessive force. If you get one, I suggest you use the thumb buttons to fire your guns.

bluesman69uk
03-15-2004, 03:14 AM
Thanks guys for all your comments and suggestions I appreciate it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

One last question; It is mentioned that the rudder control is on the throttle. How does it work? Does it twist?

Cheers


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Tully__
03-15-2004, 03:26 AM
I have one. I like it. Not everyone does.

Try one out if you can, that's the only way to tell if you'll like it, no matter what anyone on this board says for or against it.

The rudder is a rocker under the 2nd/3rd/pinky fingers of your left hand on the "other" side of the throttle grip. I found it takes a little adjusting to, but works well enough. Others have had varying opinions on the rudder, from "It sucks 'unmentionable parts of the anatomy'" to "It's even better than pedals!!!". Personally I think the latter opinion is a bit extreme...http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif but I still disagree with the former.

Edit: just saw the last post previous to this one. Press with your pinky for left rudder, press with your middle finger for right rudder (some with different size hands use forefinger/ring finger). It's an axis, not a switch, so you get more rudder for a stronger press, less for a light press.

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bluesman69uk
03-15-2004, 03:35 AM
Thanks Tully

Youre right, I am going to see if I can get a shot of one! I think the hardest part would be getting used to not having my left hand for holding my beer in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

I will now have to fly sober, maybe i will get a few more kills!

Cheers

Blues


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B16Enk
03-15-2004, 03:56 AM
Guessing that you are in the UK http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.

PC World have them so you can eyeball/touch 'n feel one.

Then buy it online (PC World is 79).

T_O_A_D
03-15-2004, 03:58 AM
I love it!! Only thing I dislike about it is that the rudder cost me another 120 to fix with a set of CH pro usb pedals.

Then I had an apithany and bannded the rudder rocker. God I shouldn't say this. I use it to change from left to right eng. Great for taxing turns tighter, also with some practice you can cut the trottle to one engine by sqeezing the appropriate side of rocker in the air also, let go of rocker it chooses all eng and shove the throttle forward and have full power to both again.


Been doing this with the TB3 and the 111 for a long time, but with the advent of the P-38 and 109Z I'm using it all the time now.

Of course noe of this help me one bit since I shoot like a school girl with rubberbands. I miss most of the time and when I do it I didn't have the band stretched far enough to sting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif



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bluesman69uk
03-15-2004, 03:59 AM
Youre right! Scotland.

Thanks for that B16Enk. Going to a Store today.

Dabs.com seem cheapest online so far 58.

Cheers

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Fehler
03-15-2004, 04:58 AM
I have had mine now for nearly two years with no problems at all. I did buy a set of gameport CH pedals and wired them into my throttle to replace the rocker inputs. It keeps your configurations much cleaner and there is only one device plugged into your computer if you are USB challenged (Not enough USB ports)

I must say though that most people dont go spend $75.00 for the X-45 then $60.00 for the rudder pedals, bring them home and start cutting and soldering.. But I did and it works great!

The next thing I am planning is taking a very cheap joystick with 2 slider pot inputs and making trim wheels that I will attach directly to my chair for a more immursive feeling and to free up the 2 sliders on the throttle for something else. (I already have the wheels from an old child's car) that I plan on using. A little bit of wire welding and I should have a nifty trim wheel setup down by my left side attached to the steel chair I use. Once I get it done, Ill post pics.. hehe.. I like fabricating stuff...

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B16Enk
03-15-2004, 05:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bluesman69uk:
Youre right! Scotland.

Thanks for that B16Enk. Going to a Store today.

Dabs.com seem cheapest online so far 58.

Cheers

blues http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Welcome M8.

I use a MSFFB2 and CH pro USB (Same as Bearcat) with my X45.
My flaps are on the rudder rocker now.

But Toads Idea sounds good..........Engine toggle Hmmmmm.

RdTimeTheCharm
03-15-2004, 07:50 AM
Ive had saitek x45 for couple of years. Just upgraded to CH combat stick.

After just one day with combat stick, i cannot contemplate how i could manage with Saitek.

If you got the cash - go straight to CH.

Only thing really good in x45 is the price.

malkuth
03-15-2004, 08:00 AM
I bought one last week. I like it alot. The only thing is that you will have to relearn the controls. I had a MSFF2 stick. So I always used stick + Keyboard.

With the X45 its almost 100% stick. And thier are alot of buttons to get use too. Also setting it up for you are comfortable is another challenge. Im almost thinking of building something that can hold the throttle on my Left side of my chair.

I bought my at Best Buy and got the insurance for 10 bucks. I suggest you do to. Because before the 2 years runs out this will be getting replaced, broken or not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Now If you only play IL2 I dont suggest buying it just for this. In my case I play IL2, Lomac, Flightsim2004. And Falcon 4.0. So it was a good investment for me.

Good luck.

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Heavy_Weather
03-15-2004, 08:07 AM
if you find the X45 throttle to be to far to reach, depending on how close you have it sitting, you can always configure the throttle to power up by pulling it towards you, that way you can reach the rudder arm alot better.

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Dunkelgrun
03-15-2004, 08:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
I love it!! Only thing I dislike about it is that the rudder cost me another 120 to fix with a set of CH pro usb pedals.

Then I had an apithany and bannded the rudder rocker. _God I shouldn't say this._ I use it to change from left to right eng. Great for taxing turns tighter, also with some practice you can cut the trottle to one engine by sqeezing the appropriate side of rocker in the air also, let go of rocker it chooses all eng and shove the throttle forward and have full power to both again.


Been doing this with the TB3 and the 111 for a long time, but with the advent of the P-38 and 109Z I'm using it all the time now.

Of course noe of this help me one bit since I shoot like a school girl with rubberbands. I miss most of the time and when I do it I didn't have the band stretched far enough to sting. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


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Well great guns T_O_A_D, I never thought of that. Engines! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Gone down the same road, got pedals to replace the rocker and all I'm using the rocker for is Map and Radiator. Rather pedestrian comared to your setup, and I'm a bit of a bomber guy too.
I may well give that a try.
Cheers!

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Taylortony
03-15-2004, 02:17 PM
i do that on the rocker to the right of the rudder and use its for and aft movement to do the flaps

e2michaelb
03-15-2004, 03:13 PM
I have had my X45 for a couple of years, primarily playing Falcon 4. I think it is great. I had no problem adjusting to the rudder control on the throttle - it provides (for me) much better "touch" when adjusting for gun-aiming purposes. I have my controls mounted on two speaker stands alongside my chair; they are the perfect height and reach, if you can accept the joystick not being between your legs (no pun intended) as on real WW2 aircraft. Look for stands that are about 24" high. You can also download a program from Saitek that will provide you with the capabilitiy of programming a gazillion hat and button functions.