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Xiolablu3
12-09-2005, 01:11 PM
Does anyone know where I can find any combat accounts/descriptions/books from FW190 pilots in WW2?

I read many 109 pilots accounts but I dont think I have even read accounts from a fw190 pilot.

Can anyone point me to some? Whether they are breif accounts of sorties on the web or full books/essays on their experiences>?

berg417448
12-09-2005, 01:20 PM
"Luftwaffe Fighter Ace" by Norbert Hannig. I just bought it and have only skimmed parts. He flew the Bf-109, Fw-190 and Me-262 in combat.

robban75
12-09-2005, 01:20 PM
Green Hearts, First in Combat with the Dora-9, by Axel Urbanke is a great book. It's very pricy, but it's really excellent.http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

http://modelingmadness.com/scotts/books/greenhearts.htm

Low_Flyer_MkII
12-09-2005, 01:21 PM
(Jane€s) Battles With The Luftwaffe - Theo Boiten & Martin Bowman

Butcher Bird: The Focke Wulf Fw190 €" Edward Shacklady

Are both fairly recent publications. The Boiten/Bowman is often spotted in discount bookshops at a very low price.

fighter_966
12-09-2005, 01:26 PM
luftwaffe fighter aces by mike spick or same book the jagdflieger and their tactics nd techniques

danjama
12-09-2005, 01:38 PM
Looks like somebody has caught the FW190 bug http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

JSG72
12-09-2005, 01:53 PM
"Sturmstaffel 1" by classic publications

Jagdgeschwader 1 (Three Volumes)Again by Classic publications

Jagdgeschwader 300 Volume one (Just out by Lorant and Goyat) Also pricey.

Any of the "Osprey" "Aircraft of the Aces" Series Pertaining to the 190

Ospreys "Luftwaffe Sturmgruppen"(Just out) and "Luftwaffe Schlachtgeschwader"

And of course as robban 75 says "Green Hearts" is a must

La7_brook
12-09-2005, 07:33 PM
try GRAF @ GRISLAWSKI a pair of aces by bergstrom

faustnik
12-09-2005, 07:49 PM
"Jg26, Top Guns of the Luftwaffe"
Jg26 War Diary, Vols. 1&2"
-Caldwell

"Focke Wulf Fw190 in North Africa" -Arthy & Jessen

Many excellent first hand accounts in those.

Xiolablu3
12-09-2005, 08:41 PM
Originally posted by danjama:
Looks like somebody has caught the FW190 bug http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Thanks Guys, some good suggestions there. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I have always been fascinated and loved the plane, its just one of those classics...and its made even more mythical because they are so rare, I have never seen a real restored Fw190 flying, not even in videos.

I just cant fly it very well, I do much much better in a 109 and Spitfire as it suits my style much better. If I get caught low and slow in a FW190A I just feel helpless, and however much you try to avoid it, it always happens eventually. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif The only tactic you can really use if you have a good pilot on your 6 and this happens is to hope he gets too close and slam the throttle to 0% and full flaps, and hope he overshoots. (Well its the only one I know being the novice that I am http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif ) I can follow all FW190 manouvres in a Spitfire pretty easily, he can only run from me or do the trick I described above. Even his fantastic roll rate can almost be duplicated using rudder when you turn in a non clipped Spit. (Well, they never seem to manage to get away using roll manouvres)

wayno7777
12-09-2005, 10:32 PM
There's one on Otto Kittel.(190 driver w/267 vics) I'll try to find the title and author for you...

Still looking for that Kittel title I found this one:

"I Fought You From the Skies"
by Willi Heilmann

Also known as "Alarm Im Westen" in German. This is another notoriously hard book to track down, but it too is worth the hassle. It's the story of late-war JG54 Kommandeur Willi Heilmann a biography from a Focke Wulf 190 pilot's perspective. Heilmann recounts the drudgery of day to day life in the Luftwaffe in 1944 France, as the Allied tide rolls inexorably towards Berlin. You feel the sense of futility, the overwhelming odds of countless Spitfires, P-47s and P-51s as they claim pilot after pilot, strafe base after base, and wear the Luftwaffe down to a nub.

I could be mistaken about a book on Otto Kittel, but check this site out. This page has some interesting action reports;
http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/eyewitne.html

polak5
12-10-2005, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
"Luftwaffe Fighter Ace" by Norbert Hannig. .
Thats new isint it.?
I was gona treat myself to that book, but i bought a couple of others instead. Hopefully ill get around to buying it if the price goes down.

chchfool
12-10-2005, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by wayno7777:
There's one on Otto Kittel.(190 driver w/267 vics) I'll try to find the title and author for you...

Still looking for that Kittel title I found this one:

"I Fought You From the Skies"
by Willi Heilmann

Also known as "Alarm Im Westen" in German. This is another notoriously hard book to track down, but it too is worth the hassle. It's the story of late-war JG54 Kommandeur Willi Heilmann a biography from a Focke Wulf 190 pilot's perspective. Heilmann recounts the drudgery of day to day life in the Luftwaffe in 1944 France, as the Allied tide rolls inexorably towards Berlin. You feel the sense of futility, the overwhelming odds of countless Spitfires, P-47s and P-51s as they claim pilot after pilot, strafe base after base, and wear the Luftwaffe down to a nub.

I could be mistaken about a book on Otto Kittel, but check this site out. This page has some interesting action reports;
http://www.jg54greenhearts.com/eyewitne.html

Willi Heilmann's book is very easy to find if you search for its other english title - "Alert In The West". It was republished recently as part of the Fortunes Of War Series and abebooks.com have 50+ copies starting at 4 US$ each.

The first english editions have classic dust jacekts - I have the 1955 hardcover and 1958 paperback floating about somewhere.

dieg777
12-10-2005, 03:54 AM
alert in the west reviewed here- a very good book

http://airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&sid=214...a88b6ba69e1f1bbf90c5 (http://airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&sid=214ec27802ada88b6ba69e1f1bbf90c5)

rnzoli
12-10-2005, 05:17 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
"Luftwaffe Fighter Ace" by Norbert Hannig. I just bought it and have only skimmed parts. He flew the Bf-109, Fw-190 and Me-262 in combat.

I like the book very much, it is a balanced personal account of the events, but AFAIK there isn't much about combat tricks for FW-190. He mentioned the main thing briefly: flying up and down, up and down http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Small correction also: he did not fly the Me-262 in combat, just training and transport. He did shoot up the hangar door once however, due to a bad wiring in the Me-262 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

JG52-6High
12-10-2005, 05:58 AM
Willi Heilmann, as said before...

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wayno7777
12-10-2005, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by chchfool:


Willi Heilmann's book is very easy to find if you search for its other english title - "Alert In The West". It was republished recently as part of the Fortunes Of War Series and abebooks.com have 50+ copies starting at 4 US$ each.

The first english editions have classic dust jacekts - I have the 1955 hardcover and 1958 paperback floating about somewhere.

Thx for the info guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

HayateAce
12-10-2005, 02:34 PM
Here are some IL2 Fw190 player training doc scans:



http://www.dragons.dk/Tom%20Hanks/runforrest.jpg

http://eil.com/newgallery/A-Flock-Of-Seagulls-I-Ran-310530.jpg



A cloud appears above your head;
A beam of light comes shining down on you,
Shining down on you.
The cloud is moving nearer still.
Aurora borealis comes in view;
Aurora comes in view.

And I ran, I ran so far away.
I just ran, I ran all night and day.
I couldn't get away.

Bremspropeller
12-10-2005, 04:59 PM
You got it HA - we Fw guys get the coolest medals and the hottest babes http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif

Xiolablu3
12-10-2005, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by dieg777:
alert in the west reviewed here- a very good book

http://airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&sid=214...a88b6ba69e1f1bbf90c5 (http://airwarfare.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=26&sid=214ec27802ada88b6ba69e1f1bbf90c5)

Thanks yet again guys, good suggestions.

Dieg, you have me very intrigued with your statement - 'His views and experiences flying FW190s make an interesting comparison with some views expressed on the IL2 forums'

As I will probably never get to read the book, could you explain a little more? In a private message if you really dont want to write it here, but I'm sure many will be very interested to here what you meant. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks!

SkyChimp
12-10-2005, 10:21 PM
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0764321307.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

Xiolablu3
12-10-2005, 10:38 PM
Thanks SC, that one looks cool http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif