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berg417448
07-27-2007, 08:27 PM
Pilot killed in collision of P-51s at Oshkosh air show.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/27/airshow.crash.ap/index.html

More details here:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...0727184/1206/GPGnews (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070727/GPG0101/70727184/1206/GPGnews)

berg417448
07-27-2007, 08:27 PM
Pilot killed in collision of P-51s at Oshkosh air show.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/07/27/airshow.crash.ap/index.html

More details here:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artic...0727184/1206/GPGnews (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070727/GPG0101/70727184/1206/GPGnews)

slo_1_2_3
07-27-2007, 08:34 PM
I'm sorry for the pilot who was killed , and for the man injured I hope he is able to fully recover .Its been a bad month for aviation I think, a p-51 crashed on landing a couple weeks ago and that air liner , a c-46 last week two news choppers today, these two p-51's and alot of others, It just seems like a lot of crashes lately maybe I'm wrong.

Stew278
07-27-2007, 08:59 PM
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Divine-Wind
07-27-2007, 09:52 PM
S! to the killed pilot, and my condolences to his family and friends. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif I hope the injured fellow can pull through and make it.

Bearcat99
07-27-2007, 10:47 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif Man....

pilot_p-38
07-27-2007, 11:35 PM
My condolences to his family. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif No more accidents like this, life is first the airplane can be constructed again any time.

Blottogg
07-28-2007, 02:27 AM
I just saw this story on-line. My condolences to the families of the pilots involved. FWIW, the one going over the top in the linked photo appears to be an A-36 (three blade prop.) I don't know if it's one of the recently built batch, but judging from the paint scheme, I'd guess so. There are one or two vintage A-36's flying, but they've got warbird paintschemes AFAIK.

From the witness account, I'm still unsure as to whether this was a botched formation landing, or insufficient spacing on final. Wittman Field's traffic gets busy enough to bump it ahead of O'Hare and Hartsfield for takeoffs and landings during the airshow weekend. Not that it matters much, except maybe to keep something like this from happening again.

danjama
07-28-2007, 04:14 AM
Maybe theres a video about. Id like to see what happened, the circumstances look strange. Why does he appear to be coming in sideways at such a low level? I think he may have stalled and gone into a spin, colliding with the second aircraft as he enters the spin. doomed.

sorry for his death.

luftluuver
07-28-2007, 05:59 AM
Blott, the pilots were Gerry Beck flying the P-51A and Bob Odegard's son flying the P-51D.

Condolences to the Beck family.

The D pilot recieved a bump on the forehead.

BillyTheKid_22
07-28-2007, 08:10 AM
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flox
07-28-2007, 09:18 AM
I was down at the flight line when this happened, although it was so far down to my right that I couldn't actually see. All I know is that while we were watching other planes taxi by after landing (this was at the end of a mock Reno-style air race) an emergency vehicle suddenly fired up and went racing down the runway. It didn't take long before word spread through the crowd of what had happened. What a sad day for those involved and aviation in general.

I will be heading back to the show today; here's to hoping that the day ends with everyone safe.

SeaFireLIV
07-28-2007, 09:54 AM
My condolences.

Urufu_Shinjiro
07-28-2007, 10:25 AM
From the second link:

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">According to Howell Herman, of Mt. Morris, Ill., who also witnessed the crash, the second P-51 was coming in faster than the P-51 in front. He said at first, it looked like the second plane would overshoot the first.

Other witnesses said the second plane landed, but its propeller clipped the tail of the first plane, pushing it on to its nose. Witnesses said the second plane may have tried to swerve, but ended up flipping over the first plane, to finally land upside in the grass to the east of the runway. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like the second plane was coming in hot or the first stopped short and while trying to avoid the first the second rolled right over the first onto it's back. Sad. Noone mistake me here, the pilot is the most important and it's a terrible tragedy that someone is dead, but at the same time I wonder how many important historical aircraft we're going to loose this way, seems like a lot of vintage ac crashing this year. And the near miss with the T-6 that landed on the highway, could have been bad there too.

~S~ to the pilots involved.

Stuntie
07-28-2007, 11:23 AM
A real tragedy.
Sad to hear.

Waldo.Pepper
07-28-2007, 11:41 PM
Unpleasant images of an unpleasant event.

Posted to abpa today.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH07-P51-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH07-P-51-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH-07-1A.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH07-P-51-3.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH07-P-51-4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH-07-2A.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/OSH07-P-51-5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Oshkosh%20Bgosh/08StangP51aftercollision.jpg

Stiletto-
07-29-2007, 02:01 AM
I live in Milwaukee, and was hoping to go to the EAA Airventure this year but couldn't do to work schedule, this is the biggest fly-in airshow in the world, but there is always a number of incidents each year, you can only hope for them being minor. Besides the T-6 landing on the highway, (amazing video if its on the net yet im sure it is) the next day some other aircraft landed on a different highway as he was flying to or from the EAA. Also besides the Mustang incident, some guy in I think Switzerland crashed shortly after take off flying all the way over to the EAA. There is something every year unfortunatley http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif and soon all we will have is replicas... But this pales in comparison to the loss of life.

KRISTORF
07-29-2007, 03:50 AM
A sad day indeed, thoughts with the families

rohrspatz
08-03-2007, 03:42 AM
Just found some more information regarding that accident in an other forum.

Here's a video:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=8ad_1186036487

and here the NTSB Report:

NTSB: Pilots Weren't In Formation In OSH Landing Accident
Thu, 02 Aug '07

Says Race Aircraft Were Landing Separately
The National Transportation Safety Board released Wednesday its Preliminary Report on last Friday's tragic landing accident at Wittman Field in Oshkosh, WI during AirVenture 2007.

As ANN reported, pilot Gerard Beck was killed when his P-51A -- which he built himself, using North American's original plans and blueprints -- struck the tail of a P-51D that had just touched down on runway 36 at Wittman Field. Both aircraft had participated in a simulated air race demonstration.

The prelim -- which follows, unedited but for formatting, below -- notes the aircraft were not attempting a formation landing, as many had speculated. Rather, it appears Beck may not have seen the P-51D's location on the runway, resulting in the landing collision.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On July 27, 2007, at 1519 central daylight time, a North American P51-D, Mustang, N151RJ, sustained substantial damage during landing when it was struck in the empennage and fuselage by an amateur-built Beck P-51A, Mustang, N8082U. N151RJ had just landed on runway 36 (8,002 feet by 150 feet, grooved concrete) at the Wittman Regional Airport (OSH), Oshkosh, Wisconsin, and was starting its landing roll when N8082U struck its empennage and fuselage.

The collision with N8082U pushed N151RJ onto its nose, and N151RJ subsequently skidded down the runway and came to rest about 788 feet from the initial impact point. N8082U was still airborne at the time of the collision, and it rolled over to the right of the aft fuselage of N151RJ and impacted the terrain in a wings level, inverted attitude. The pilot in N151RJ was not injured, and the pilot in N8082U received fatal injuries.

Both Mustang airplanes departed from OSH as part of a five-aircraft air race demonstration event at the EAA AirVenture 2007 air show. The demonstration air race was completed and the five aircraft were in the process of landing separately, and not in formation, on runway 36.

rohr

p-11.cAce
08-03-2007, 05:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">which he built himself, using North American's original plans and blueprints </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif Amazing.