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Sergio_101
07-29-2006, 11:44 AM
http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/combat-repor...-hinchey-14nov44.jpg (http://www.spitfireperformance.com/mustang/combat-reports/353-hinchey-14nov44.jpg)

A must read.
Why did the wings stay on and the engine did NOT burn up?

Sergio

Manu-6S
07-29-2006, 11:49 AM
Maybe 'cause FB is a game? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Come on, lets wait BoB. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

horseback
07-29-2006, 12:03 PM
Because Oleg and his team cannot accept that if a Mustang is more fragile than a P-47, P-38 or Hellcat, it can still be more heavily built than a Spitfire, Tempest, Focke-Wulf, 109, or any wartime Soviet combat aircraft short of the Sturmovik.

cheers

horseback

WTE_Firebird
07-29-2006, 12:14 PM
i flew P51-C and its a good fighter in this game... last time i flew in it I shot down many german fighters with it and never lost it.

CUJO_1970
07-29-2006, 12:20 PM
Oleg should definitely model the P-51 to this pilot account.

I mean, is sustaining over 500 mph on the deck really all that unreasonable for the P-51 Mustang?

StG2_Schlachter
07-29-2006, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Oleg should definitely model the P-51 to this pilot account.

I mean, is sustaining over 500 mph on the deck really all that unreasonable for the P-51 Mustang?

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Sergio_101
07-29-2006, 12:58 PM
Originally posted by StG2_Schlachter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Oleg should definitely model the P-51 to this pilot account.

I mean, is sustaining over 500 mph on the deck really all that unreasonable for the P-51 Mustang?

Read the report, it was sustained in a long shallow dive at very high power settings.
There are a number of reports on that site
saying speeds up to 650mph were reached in
power dives, and the wings stayed on.

AMAZING!

Sergio


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Frequent_Flyer
07-29-2006, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Oleg should definitely model the P-51 to this pilot account.

I mean, is sustaining over 500 mph on the deck really all that unreasonable for the P-51 Mustang?
"After my prolonged Dive" from "8,000 ft". Obviously English is not your primary language. If you need help translating phrases like " out climb", "out dive", "out turn' and "out run " just watch some of the gun camera footage of the P-51's on this forum. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

CUJO_1970
07-29-2006, 02:32 PM
Yes I believe it 1000%

The P-51 maintained 500-600 mph near the deck for +15 minutes.

Fact!

Kocur_
07-30-2006, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
Because Oleg and his team cannot accept that if a Mustang is more fragile than a P-47, P-38 or Hellcat, it can still be more heavily built than a Spitfire, Tempest, Focke-Wulf, 109, or any wartime Soviet combat aircraft short of the Sturmovik.


Which should be obvious to anyone with aeroengineering inclinations SIMPLY by comparing empty weights, sizes and having basic knowledge on technology used in WW2 planes.

p1ngu666
07-30-2006, 08:47 AM
tempest was quite heavy? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

and robust http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Kocur_
07-30-2006, 09:04 AM
Oh, oh! I forgot to mention engine weight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Empty weight minus engine weight/size with technology used in mind - and you have rough comparison of robustness.

p1ngu666
07-30-2006, 09:23 AM
sabre was called the one ton monster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Kocur_
07-30-2006, 09:34 AM
With or without rads? If with - naa, nothing so monsterous - R-2800, BMW-801 or Jumo 213 weighted about a tonne too.
Rads weight matters - dry P-51D rads weighted 200kg!

Sergio_101
07-30-2006, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Kocur_:
With or without rads? If with - naa, nothing so monsterous - R-2800, BMW-801 or Jumo 213 weighted about a tonne too.
Rads weight matters - dry P-51D rads weighted 200kg!


Kocur, I have lifted a P-51D radiator myself.
No way I can lift 200kg!
I'd say it weighed about 75lbs. 35KG.
All cooling inculded wet maybe 200kg.....

Sergio

Kocur_
07-30-2006, 11:06 AM
Either you lifted something else or you underestimate your strenght http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6140/p51bcweightsyl9.th.png (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=p51bcweightsyl9.png)

Perhaps "H" indeed has all cooling system, but no way that small coolant tank (belonging to the engine assembly) and and bit of piping weighted missing 375lbs/170kg! And I really think "H" is sole rad! I belive what you had in your hands was oil rad, not coolant/intercooler rad.

horseback
07-30-2006, 11:44 AM
Comparing the Mustang to the British aircraft was not intended as a putdown-simply put, US engineers went for a greater standard level of overall structural strength.

The lightweight P-51F/G were built to British structural standards, coming out almost a ton lighter than the D models (approx 10-15%). That's a significant difference, and I believe it translates onto greater structural strength across the board for the aircraft built to the US standard.

By the way, Kocur, what measurement standard is used in that drawing? The Mustang's prop is 11'2" (134"), or approx. 3.4m in diameter. If the drawing is using English standard measures, the weight for 'H' is more likely 450 lbs rather than kg (still well out of Sergio's probable squat or bench press range -unless of course Sergio is now in an NFL training camp trying out for defensive line).

cheers

horseback

Kocur_
07-30-2006, 01:21 PM
Most definately those are pounds - 450 of them makes 204kg, which I mentioned above as P-51 coolant/intercooler rad weight.

PS. Two basic units systems in the world is a big improvement over what was going on before in history anyway http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

Xiolablu3
07-31-2006, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by horseback:
Because Oleg and his team cannot accept that if a Mustang is more fragile than a P-47, P-38 or Hellcat, it can still be more heavily built than a Spitfire, Tempest, Focke-Wulf, 109, or any wartime Soviet combat aircraft short of the Sturmovik.

cheers

horseback

All the Soviet planes break up well before the P51.

ColoradoBBQ
07-31-2006, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by CUJO_1970:
Oleg should definitely model the P-51 to this pilot account.

I mean, is sustaining over 500 mph on the deck really all that unreasonable for the P-51 Mustang?

The P-51 in-game can only pull at max 68" of mercury. The ones in the report were field modded to pull above 70" of mercury. We need the Mustang IV. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif