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Beuf_Ninja
10-24-2006, 08:42 PM
Is there a HERS one that goes with that?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-24-2006, 08:45 PM
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PBNA-Boosher
10-28-2006, 09:03 AM
Go post on a Dr. Math forum. Maybe, just maybe, this could be equivalent to the reason you never comprehend exactly what this forum is for?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Beuf_Ninja
10-28-2006, 09:07 AM
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raaaid
10-28-2006, 09:09 AM
i understand this forum is for chatting with fellow fliers

i have a bunch of friends here, i feel good talking with them

and i got kicked out from the maths forums also

Zeus-cat
10-28-2006, 09:12 AM
You are probably referring to the poll on does 1 = .99999... I posted the proof showing that 1 is indeed = .9999...

.9999 out infinity IS EQUAL TO 1. This is just the way we define numbers and infinity raaaid. Sometimes math and what we call "common sense" don't quite match. Infinity is a concept that defies common sense for most people. Accept the fact that infinity isn't something that you can fully grasp and this "problem" goes away.

1/3 = 0.333... 3 * 1/3 = 3 * .333... = .999... = 1.0 (see my proof in the other thread) There is no problem here.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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heywooood
10-28-2006, 09:14 AM
'zero' is not a number...it is like saying the color 'black'... where absolute black is the absence of color or for that matter the absence of light or reflected light in any wavelength, so too is zero the absence of quantity - it is null and void ..but it is not a number.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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raaaid
10-28-2006, 09:32 AM
take this example of zenons turtle

it advances 9/10 of the way that is left to infinity

then if .999...=1 the turtle reaches destination

then if .999...=1 zenon was wrong because turtle reaches destination

Chuck_Older
10-28-2006, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
take this example of zenons turtle

it advances 9/10 of the way that is left to infinity

then if .999...=1 the turtle reaches destination

then if .999...=1 zenon was wrong because turtle reaches destination

A few problems http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Firstly, Infinity cannot be measured. So how do you get to 90% of an un-measurable number? To get there, you must know the absolute of the number, so therefore, to get 90% of infinity, infinity must be finite. So there's problem 1- you can't get 90% of the way to infinity

Problem 2- this is where mathematical theory and reality don't agree on paper, and here's why- a point in space occupies no space, it has no width, height, or breadth. It is an abstract used to illustrate mathematics. So, according to the theroy, you must always travel one half the distance to a destination to get there, then half again, and half again, so on and so on

With planes and points, this is OK, there is always some measurable distance- if you travel halfway, there must be an equal distance left to travel. However, this does not mean that I do not ever reach my destinations in the real world, even though the theory can be dragged out to it's bitter end that I never reached home last night, I still have halfway to travel. This example was used in my Physics class as a mind-f***. Reality says that I got home

This doesn't mean math is wrong, though. I am wider than a point, I am taller than a point, and I am broader than a point. I occupy space. Therefore, I cannot imitate what is possible with a point...and neither can a turtle http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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raaaid
10-28-2006, 11:05 AM
thanks chuck nice debate http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

my point is not to take 90% of infinity but 90% of 1 and from the 10% left take another 90%and so on to infinity

so to run a distance of one instead of advancing 0.5 of whats left of the way you advance .9 of whats left, according zenon you never reach destination

its exactly the same with 0.999...

first the turtle advances .9 then .09 then .009, it never reaches destination

0.999... never reaches 1 theres always an infinitesimal left to became one

for maths to be right both 1 and 0.999... must be the same number but zenons paradox clearly states that they are not if you have a distance of 1 m to run and you take a step of 1 m you reach your destination but if you take a step of .9 of whats left infinitly of the way you never reach destination

Zeus-cat
10-28-2006, 11:55 AM
You keep ignoring the properties of infinity. The turtle moves a real distance in real time, but the problem goes to the abstract w

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10-28-2006, 12:34 PM
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AKA_TAGERT
10-28-2006, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
what number goes before 1?

0.999....periodic 9

it never reaches 1 like zenon turtle never reaches destination, theres always an infinitesimal left, 1 is its limit that by definition is never reached just like the turtle

can an operation give 2 different numbers depending on how it is done?

then tell me how much is (1/3)*3

if you simplify is equal to one but if you make the whole operation its equal to 0.999...(two completly different numbers):

1/3=0.333...*3=0.999...

any light on this

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F19_Orheim
10-28-2006, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by raaaid:
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and i got kicked out from the maths forums also


Hmm I wonder why!?http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slappedsilly
10-28-2006, 01:59 PM
Raaid,

This goes with "infinity is a two-way street" idea I brought up in your last post. It is appearent in math as well. But if you didn't read it in the last post, I doubt you'll see it here either.

lowfighter
10-29-2006, 12:41 AM
Fetch Dedekind's "Essays on the theory of numbers", in his first essay he gives the first definition of the real numbers which is contradiction-free. What is a real number (be it your 0.999...)? Well, he says it's a so-called cut in the set of rational numbers, a division of the rational numbers set into two disjoint subsets! Now that's pretty far from the intuitive notion of the real numbers, BUT IT IS THE ACCEPTED definition in modern mathemathics. And nobody found after Dedekind an easier one. It takes some ink to prove even the most evident results (intuitively), but it's consistent and leads to no contradictions. Really, fetch yourself that book, it's beautiful reading!

SeaFireLIV
10-29-2006, 02:58 AM
Oh, well.


Guess that`s the end of reality then.

raaaid
10-29-2006, 05:16 AM
i asked my father about this, he is a matematician, and he answered me is not licit to operate a number with infinite digits you can just operate with its limit in this case the limit of 0.999... would be one

still disagree though because he agreed that by definition of limit it is never reached

Friendly_flyer
10-29-2006, 05:18 AM
Raaaids question reminds me of a story that the professor always starts the MA-101 course with:

A physics student, a math student and biology student was each asked to get intimate with a girl by constantly halving the distance between themselves and the girl in question. The physics student gave up right away, knowing he would never actually get there. The math student tried, but spent too much time calculating minuscule distances to actually get there. The biology student set off with a big grin, knowing he would get close enough for all practical purposes.

Zeus-Cat and Chuck are right. 0,999???9 (infinitely many nines) is 1. It???s not close to 1, it is 1. That???s how infinity works.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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tigertalon
10-29-2006, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by raaaid:
what number goes before 1?


Err... all that are smaller than one. Thing is, that with real numbers you can always find a number between any two, so if you can find a number, that's supposed to be the one before 1, you can always find one inbetween. So there really is no particular number that comes before 1.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-29-2006, 09:27 AM
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dogofwar50
10-29-2006, 09:28 AM
I can't wait for the two latest addons to be released but no where have I seen it mentioned how much they will cost.

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VMF-214_HaVoK
10-29-2006, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by Beuf_Ninja:
Is there a HERS one that goes with that?

Yes! But I will holding on to that one. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-29-2006, 10:11 AM
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