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Bremspropeller
03-25-2006, 05:28 AM
...blade-weapons suck:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4295/indianajones1lh.gif

HotelBushranger
03-25-2006, 07:27 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif I love that movie

I think I'll watch it tonight http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Bremspropeller
03-25-2006, 07:28 AM
You better send me a PM http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Enjoy it ! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F19_Olli72
03-25-2006, 07:55 AM
Actually, if you look closer, its the guy in blue in the background next to the basket who gets hit first (frame 50). Then we have to apply the magic bullet theory as the guy to the right in begie/sandcolor clothes get shot in the foot in the very same instant that the sword guy gets it.

Look at it in slow mo and see for yourself.

Left-right-left.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Olli72/news/indianajones.jpg

Conspiracy? Of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Breeze147
03-25-2006, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Actually, if you look closer, its the guy in blue in the background next to the basket who gets hit first (frame 50). Then we have to apply the magic bullet theory as the guy to the right in begie/sandcolor clothes get shot in the foot in the very same instant that the sword guy gets it.


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Look at it in slow mo and see for yourself.

Left-right-left.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Olli72/news/indianajones.jpg

Conspiracy? Of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Bremspropeller
03-25-2006, 08:13 AM
So we got the case finally closed ?

Harrison Ford shot JFK ? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

AKA_TAGERT
03-25-2006, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
...blade-weapons suck:

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/4295/indianajones1lh.gif Classic American diplomacy that still works today.

Bremspropeller
03-25-2006, 08:55 AM
Sure ?

waffen-79
03-25-2006, 09:11 AM
Love that movie and the sequels http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Fing hilarious http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I need a tutorial of how to write l33t and not look 12 yr old in the process... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif j/k

Capt.LoneRanger
03-25-2006, 09:14 AM
Reminds me of some weird people, trying to make their Knife-Badge on a normal BF2-Server http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Chuck_Older
03-25-2006, 10:48 AM
Originally posted by F19_Olli72:
Actually, if you look closer, its the guy in blue in the background next to the basket who gets hit first (frame 50). Then we have to apply the magic bullet theory as the guy to the right in begie/sandcolor clothes get shot in the foot in the very same instant that the sword guy gets it.

Look at it in slow mo and see for yourself.

Left-right-left.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v40/Olli72/news/indianajones.jpg

Conspiracy? Of course. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif


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The entire scene is one of the most famous non-scripted sequences to ever make it into films

The guy in blue and the guy is the beige don't get shot at all.

I don't know why they react that way, but it could have something to do with how the scene was suppsoed to be filmed:

Harrison Ford was supposed to go into a very strenous routine, in which Indy fights the scimitar-waving baddie with his bullwhip.

However, Ford was fed up with the shot, tired, and sick with a touch of dysentery, which most of the cast and crew got to one degree or another.

So, he didn't follow the script. He pulled his revolver out and 'shot' the swordsman, then turned his back on the scene, reportedly to let everyone know he was done with his part concerning the swordsman. the other actors in the scene picked up on this instantly- the swordsman fell down, the crowd went nuts, and the rest is film making magical history- the best scene in the film, mostly because it's 100% non scripted and completely spontaneous. If you look, Ford starts the scene with the whip in his right hand, as the crowd parts, then there's a camera change, and when we go back to Ford, he pulls leather and shoots with his right hand, because he hands off the whip to his left.

But anyway, there's no 'magic bullet', what you're seeing is two startled actors reacting to something either internal to a scene that went completely off into uncharted territory, or something we don't see off-camera makes them move. They aren't 'shot', because nobody in the scene was supposed to be shot at all. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Friendly_flyer
03-25-2006, 03:31 PM
The scene was supposed to be the ultimate "whip vs. scimitar" scene. As Chuck told, Ford had a bit of dysentery and the shooting was getting badly delayed. Ford, not at all feeling up to any strenuous task, just drew his revolver, fired a shot and ran from the scene, reportedly straight to the nearest portable loo.

Spielberg, seeing the scene turned out a little gem, tore out a chunk of pages from the manuscript and announced the shooting was back on schedule. The scene was re-used in one of the later films in stead.

horseback
03-25-2006, 05:28 PM
Like Leonard Nimoy, in one of the early Star Trek episodes, not being terribly enamored of doing yet another strenuous fight scene, asking "Can't I just touch a nerve and paralyze him instead?"

Thus was born the Vulcan Nerve Pinch, a staple of Star Trek Vulcan tactics to this day...

cheers

horseback

AKA_TAGERT
03-25-2006, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
The scene was supposed to be the ultimate "whip vs. scimitar" scene. urban legend

Akronnick
03-25-2006, 11:04 PM
Imagine if Indy had duked it out with the Scimitar guy, twenty-five years later fanboi's would post on the internet "why didn't he just shoot him?"

But thinking about it, if Indy was supposed to fight the guy, why did his gun have blanks in it? Wouldn't, for safety purposes, the gun have been rubbber if they were shooting a fist fight?

AKA_TAGERT
03-25-2006, 11:31 PM
Originally posted by Akronnick:
Imagine if Indy had duked it out with the Scimitar guy, twenty-five years later fanboi's would post on the internet "why didn't he just shoot him?"

But thinking about it, if Indy was supposed to fight the guy, why did his gun have blanks in it? Wouldn't, for safety purposes, the gun have been rubbber if they were shooting a fist fight? exactally

waffen-79
03-26-2006, 01:18 AM
whatever the reason, tis a classic by all standards http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

El Turo
03-26-2006, 01:27 AM
Originally posted by AKA_TAGERT:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Friendly_flyer:
The scene was supposed to be the ultimate "whip vs. scimitar" scene. urban legend </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not urban legend at all. That's exactly how Harrison Ford recalls the shooting. It was an unscripted scene, but I believe it was not so spontaneous as some have suggested in this thread. As I remember it, Ford said he was sick and not up for a big fight scene, so as a solution, he thought it would be a good way to quickly get through the scene.

Capt.LoneRanger
03-26-2006, 01:42 AM
LOL - cool story behind the scenes. But it's true - things like this happen.

Ever seen StarTrek IV, the one, where they go back in time and into the 80s SanFrancisco?
There is a scene, not long after they beamed down. All try to find out and ask people where the whales are in Frisco. There also comes a lady, they ask and who answeres shortly. The funny thing about it: She was not an actor - she passed the barricades, didn't notice there was a movie going on and didn't realize Kirk, Spock and Chekow, who asked her.
After the movie was put together, the director noticed the scene and tried to find the woman. Without her permission, they could not put this scene into the final movie, but it was allready finished. So they put an article in the newspaper to find her and they did and she gave the permission. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Megile_
03-26-2006, 01:47 AM
OMG n00b

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Pwnzed1

AKA_TAGERT
03-26-2006, 08:25 AM
Stunt guns are not toys, they have wadding in them that can kill or blind someone if the proper setup is not used. Thus they wouldn€t have them loaded if they were not going to be used in a scene. Thus FORD would not and could not just decide in the middle of filming that scene to change from the whip to the gun and just shoot the guy. It would have been decided prior to saying ACTION.

Now with that said, I€m not here to kill the Easter bunny, or pull on Santa's beard, so, if believing in this fairy tail helps you guys and gals gets to sleep at night, be my guest.

But if you want me to believe in it, you will have to provide more proof than your wishful thinking.

Monson74
03-26-2006, 09:04 AM
I think it's totally reckless of him to pull a gun & shoot like that into the crowd - what was he thinking - he could've seriously hurt somebody if he missed the evil swordsman. I'd sue him if I had been there - he's such a vulcher & a spawn-rapist.

AVG_WarHawk
03-26-2006, 09:22 AM
The chump in the black robe never learned the first rule. Never bring a knife to a gun fight.

Bremspropeller
03-26-2006, 09:23 AM
Okay guys, you heard what TAG said !
Send him a track and he might beleive ya ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

AKA_TAGERT
03-26-2006, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by Bremspropeller:
Okay guys, you heard what TAG said !
Send him a track and he might beleive ya ! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Not in this case, just a little more than wishful thinking would be nice.

Bremspropeller
03-26-2006, 11:51 AM
...just kiddin http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Max.Power
03-26-2006, 11:59 AM
I think we're neglecting the possibility here of Harrison saying, "****, this sucks. Can't I just shoot him?" and Spielberg saying, "I don't care. Go for it." And so they alter the scene for a take, letting everyone in on their idea.

Chuck_Older
03-26-2006, 12:02 PM
Hey, all I can say is I'm not making things up or repeating things I read online, my info is from a biography of Ford

If 'Imperfect Hero' has some untruths in it, please someone point it out, I like the book a lot. I'll be very disappointed if Ford and Le Mat didn't toss Dreyfuss out of a Holiday Inn window into a pool

AKA_TAGERT
03-26-2006, 06:05 PM
Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
Hey, all I can say is I'm not making things up or repeating things I read online, my info is from a biography of Ford

If 'Imperfect Hero' has some untruths in it, please someone point it out, I like the book a lot. I'll be very disappointed if Ford and Le Mat didn't toss Dreyfuss out of a Holiday Inn window into a pool Well I wouldnt doubt that it was FORD's idea, or that it was un-scripted.. the only part I dont buy is that it was adlibed by FORD without telling anyone prior to the shoot.. pun intended.

ImpStarDuece
03-26-2006, 07:33 PM
It was unscripted and Chuck Olders story is partially correct.

Harrison Ford and Steven Spielberg tell the stories a little differently but the gist of the story is the same.

After a long and tiring couple of days shooting they came to do one of the set piece scenes; a big manno-o-manno scene beween a huge scimitar weilding warrior and Indy. Ford was being lead thorough the fight scene by the choreographer and he just stops, turns to Spielberg and goes: "He wouldn't do that Steven, why wouldn't he just shoot just the guy?"

Spielberg takes an instant liking to the idea, he and Ford nut out a quick scene between them and they shoot it on the fly. Both Ford and Spielberg wanted to show Indiana Jones as slightly different from the average matinee hero, and the fairly ruthless gunning down of an opponent was a perfect way of doing it.

The actual scene was add-libbed on the spot and organised that afternoon. I think it was shot in one or two takes and that was it.

Prop_Strike
03-26-2006, 09:21 PM
What ImpStarDuece said is right by all accounts I've read.

Another reason that Ford gave for the shooting, is the fact that his character is desperately trying to find Marion, who has been kidnapped.

It just wouldn't make sense for Indy to engage in a long, drawn out fight when he's in a hurry. Ford thought it would make more sense just to shoot him as if to say "I haven't got time for this s#%t", and carry on after her.

Agreed,this is probably the coolest scene in the movie.

PBNA-Boosher
03-26-2006, 10:23 PM
I say this man proves the opposite:

http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/img/pto_OS_V_11.jpg

http://vforvendetta.warnerbros.com/img/pto_OS_V_03.jpg

Enforcer572005
03-26-2006, 10:24 PM
and for those taking notes, the weapon was a period prewar Smith and Wesson Model 24 .44 spcl....the long running predecessor tp the later model 29 in 44 magnum.

Ive seen where alot of folks think its an M-27 in .357 mag. Just thought id throw that in....
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AKA_TAGERT
03-27-2006, 08:04 AM
ah good so I was right

JtD
03-27-2006, 10:18 AM
9 out of 10 times you see that movie on German tv, this scene is missing. Sucks.

blakduk
03-27-2006, 03:12 PM
Thanks for the info on that scene- i agree it's one of the best in the film.
Some years ago i saw a brief clip of the film and it showed Ford fighting it out with his whip against the swordsman- this confused me at the time as i couldnt recall Ford actually using the whip.
I vote for ImpStarDuece's idea- it seems likely they had started to shoot the scene, it didnt seem to be working for them, so they invented a new scene on the spot.
As for pulling out a handgun in a crowd that wasnt expecting it- not likely and very dangerous. Besides, the angles were captured too perfectly by the cinematographer.