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Soak_
11-07-2004, 04:41 AM
Well I had a few days now to flew this plane and I'm somewhat disappointed over:
The engine overheats way too easily; and
the general lack of performance from the power plant.
Does anyone else agree that this plane should carry more speed?

SeaFireLIV
11-07-2004, 04:52 AM
First, do you have any evidence to back this up? Or is it just a feeling? Although it seems the Seafire`s rounds are too low and needs more bullets. the patch should fix that.

The_Great_Stonk
11-07-2004, 05:12 AM
from another thread i read that the ammo is being increased to 120 rpg from the current 60, and that a couple of bomb/rocket loadouts will be added.

as for performance, i find it just fine - yes it overheats faster then most, but as long as you fly smart you can keep the engine in check, managing prop pitch throttle and radiator is a skill alot of plays dont use too often because the plane they fly dont overheat that easily. (you dont have to run 100% all the time you know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_redface.gif)

SeaFireLIV
11-07-2004, 05:16 AM
That`s exactly right, The_Great_Stonk

ICDP
11-07-2004, 05:20 AM
The Seafire MkIII has a top speed of 352mph. It is easily confused with a Spitfire Mk IX due to exhaust stacks. The Seafire III is actually based on the Spitfire V (look at radiator configuration to confirm) but is quite a bit slower. I'm sure any Spitfire experts will correct any mistakes in my data.

Some links to Seafire history and performance data.

http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/pacspitfire.htm

http://www.spitfires.flyer.co.uk/perfdata.html

http://www.luftfahrtmuseum.com/htmi/itf/seafi.htm

http://www.vflintham.demon.co.uk/aircraft/spit/seafire.htm

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/aircraft/Supermarine-Seafire/sea-info/sea_info.htm

VW-IceFire
11-07-2004, 07:44 AM
Well everyone was whining about the Spitfire's being overmodeled and not overheating so now we have Spitfire's that overheat at the drop of a hat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I'll live with it. I'll fly the Spitfire no matter what its performance is like. I just like the plane. But you can no longer run 100% power for more than 2-3 minutes before overheat comes on. Not sure how long it takes to damage the engine but I don't like to take chances.

Recommendation with the Seafire is to run on Radiator Open until you meet combat then close it or close it to stage 2.

Snootles
11-07-2004, 09:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But you can no longer run 100% power for more than 2-3 minutes before overheat comes on <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You can no longer run at 65% for more than 2-3 minutes before the overheat comes on! I understand that maybe the AEP Spitfires needed to have their engine heat re-modeled, but unless I'm wrong this is ridiculous!

Luftcaca
11-07-2004, 10:00 AM
I agree
the Spit V will overheat above 70% unless you open your radiator

I see no harm in that but then explain me why I can run the Wildcat's engine at 110% for 5 minutes without overheating...

TPN_Cephas
11-07-2004, 10:07 AM
My squad mates found that we can actually run the SeaFire longer and cooler with WEP on. I have no data to debunk this, but this can not be right.

More ammo for the SeaFire will definitely be nice though.

402Cdn.Valkyrie
11-07-2004, 10:36 AM
Ok, like Seafire said state facts and butt out... And for the engine and overheat on the spit- /Seafire, well first of all you cant compare engines like that the Wildcat and Spit- /Seafire have two completly different engines and they run as much the same as night and day.

Where do you get those numbers from? you can run all the spits at 80/85% with open radiators forever, heres a little something fo ya all.

This is for the R.R. Merlin 61, 63, 66, 70 and 266

-------------Super C.---RPM---Boost---Rad---Oil
Max Takeoff
to 1000ft.------M-------3000---+18*---135----X

Max Climbing
1 Hour limit----M/S------2850---+12----125----90

Maximum
Countiuous-----M/S-----2650---+7-----105----90

Combat
5 Min. Limit----M/S------3000---+18^---135---105

*: +12 on merlin 61 and 63.
^: +15 on merlin 61 and 63.

This is the "safelimits" and may be broken for short periods.

Soak_
11-07-2004, 11:02 AM
Well Stonk, I just put in my opinion with regards to the Seafire. Don't jump to conclusions that I'm flying at 100% throttle and using no prop pitch. That is certainly not the case.
I still think it overheats to easily. Still the Seafire is my favorite plane......could use a little tweaking thats all. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

VW-IceFire
11-07-2004, 11:22 AM
My point is that it always seems to teeter too far one way or the other with seemingly no middle ground.

I'd like to now compair the Spitfire VIII against the charts that were branded about before and see how it compairs up. I'm fairly certain its going to overheat quicker than the chart suggests....for topical conditions.

But until I present numbers to myself, I'm just talking http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

horseback
11-07-2004, 11:29 AM
The Seafire III was based on the Mk Vc Spit, but the engine was souped up for low alt accelleration, in addition to having the more efficient universal carb filter, 12 stack exhausts and four bladed prop. I remember an American Hellcat driver stating that they had a lot of "go get'em," having been outsped to a Do-217 by a Seafire in the Med after starting with what he thought was a decisive lead.

However, it is a lot hotter in the South Pacific than it is in European and North Atlantic waters, and surely that may be a factor. I believe that the Crimean map is supposed to be the 'standard' atmosphere for pressure, temperature, and so on for flight models. Anyone tested the Seafire there?

cheers

horseback

JR_Greenhorn
11-07-2004, 11:52 AM
horseback beat me to it.

I don't have the PF yet, but after AEP2.04, I encountered some overheating sooner than I was used to on the Sands of Time map. I went back to Crimea to double check, and had no problems. My point is that the problem might be the ambient temperature of the map, and not the plane itself.

SkyChimp
11-07-2004, 11:57 AM
From SUPERMARINE AIRCRAFT: since 1914, Andrews and Morgan

http://members.cox.net/us.fighters/seafires.jpg

k5054
11-07-2004, 12:53 PM
Chimp, that chart is porked. The F.III Seafire didn't have the 55M engine, that would make it an LIII. The F.III didn't have its best speed at its 36,000ft ceiling, of course. That speed would be good for an L.III at 6000. The Seafire was fast and agile low down due to its low-rated engine. For a naval fighter it had a very good power/weight at low alt, and a fantastic climb. This all went to pieces over about 10,000 ft though.

And none of these planes ought to overheat at top speed in any case, unless there is a design flaw. Radiators were sized for the engine's heat output.
Anybody EVER see a pilot's memoir where overheating was mentioned (with an undamaged a/c)? Why swallow the overheating in the game then?

RAF74_Buzzsaw
11-07-2004, 01:16 PM
Salute

There is a bug in the performance of all Seafires and Spitfires which is causing them to overheat too quickly. Hopefully this will be fixed.

WOLFMondo
11-07-2004, 04:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
I'd like to now compair the Spitfire VIII against the charts that were branded about before and see how it compairs up. I'm fairly certain its going to overheat quicker than the chart suggests....for topical conditions. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please do check it out! The VIII overheats just by turning the engine on...well its not that bad but it does seem to overheat very quickly, especially for a plane that had the tropics in mind when it was designed.

Nubarus
11-07-2004, 04:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw:
Salute

There is a bug in the performance of all Seafires and Spitfires which is causing them to overheat too quickly. Hopefully this will be fixed. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you mail it to the PF mail address?

SkyChimp
11-07-2004, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by k5054:
Chimp, that chart is porked. The F.III Seafire didn't have the 55M engine, that would make it an LIII. The F.III didn't have its best speed at its 36,000ft ceiling, of course. That speed would be good for an L.III at 6000. The Seafire was fast and agile low down due to its low-rated engine. For a naval fighter it had a very good power/weight at low alt, and a fantastic climb. This all went to pieces over about 10,000 ft though.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

K

As you know, only the first 103 Seafire IIIs (out of 1,263) were fitted with the Merlin 55 engine. Subsequent Seafire IIIs had the 55M. F IIIs (which had folding wings and the 55M engine) entered service on 27 November 1943. LF IIIs (which did not have folding wings, but but did have the 55M engine) entered service in Feburary 1944.

I suggest Morgan's book SUPERMARINE AIRCRAFT: since 1914, or his other book, the definitive Spitfire: The History.