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Gantoo
10-12-2004, 03:31 AM
I got my Thrustmaster Cougar nearly two years ago. My justification for spending nearly $300 on a joystick was durability. For some reason I beleived that this would be the last joystick that I would ever buy.

Now two years later my Cougar is in pretty sore shape. The gimbals are so loose that there is over an inch of play in the horizontal axis. At least I know that this can be attributed to extreme use, I use my Cougar at least once a day.

I really miss the way the Cougar felt when I first got it, is there any way to maintain it?

pourshot
10-12-2004, 04:05 AM
I removed my gimbles and nylon coated them this removed all the wear and also most of the friction (has not worn since), but if you go to cougar world you will find everything you need to know.

FatBoyHK
10-12-2004, 05:22 AM
I suggest you to go to http://cougar.frugalsworld.com and check out those excellent mod offered by fellow cougar users. I have just upgraded my cougar with Uber2 mod, with halls sensor... it is a millions miles ahead of the original... and there is no way you can wear it out again, ever http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Jasko76
10-12-2004, 05:48 AM
Lucky you, having a jostick that actually works for two years. Thrustmasters are good, unlike my present Logitech crapstick!

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-12-2004, 06:46 AM
This has always been my issue with the Cougar. 2 years can be considered a good service life for a controller, but I have some CH stuff I used for almost 10 years (I still have a 2-button flightstick).

I realize there are mods that can be performed that will improve, and lengthen the effective life of the Cougar, but dropping 3 bills on a controller then having to (or thinking I have to) drop another one or two to "fix" it never sat well with me.

I still put it on my list of recommended controllers for the serious simmer, but always list it second to CH.

My .02c

123-Wulf-JG123
10-12-2004, 07:34 AM
You guys could always go for the BEST stick available instead of wasting yet more money trying to get your Cougar anywhere near as good as it.
For $99.00 a CH fighterstick is THE best stick available on todays market. You will need to spend NADA to get it to work smoothly and with utmost precision PERIOD.

Take it from one who knows. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Lanaaja_
10-12-2004, 08:28 AM
I've got a Cougar too, and it's been a pain in the a$$... the pots need to be regularly cleaned, and the first set of pots already wore out (after 1 year of use) . It's never been as accurate as I wanted it to be.

Cougar World is a great place though, lots of people there who know their Cougar inside out. I bought my spare pots from there too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I now consider buying a CH Fighterstick, to go with the Cougar throttle, because 3 of the stick buttons or hat positions are not working anymore. Partly my own fault though, I ripped some wires accidentally when I was repairing a broken hat position. I'm also tired of the center play and spiking pots.

CH's stick is a lot cheaper than any of the Cougar mods. I've got gameport pedals connected to Cougar so it's not easy to give up using Cougar completely... besides I like the throttle, IMO it's better than CH's Pro Throttle.

So, maybe this would be a good solution for you too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Stiglr
10-12-2004, 10:46 AM
I've had my Cougar over 2 years now, and the only trouble I've had with it was re-flashing it and burning out the throttle pot (this was quickly remedied by ordering a new part from a guy at CougarWorld who was brokering sales of the part). Wait, no, check that: every now and again, my pinky button will stick and I'll have to reconnect the USB port to get right again. Minor annoyance...

I've been wanting to get the newer gimbals and Hall Sensors, especially (i've always hated pots!!), but haven't been able to afford it.

still, my Cougar's rock solid. NO, and I mean NO spiking or drift on the stick. With it's heavy weight and honest feel, I don't regret spending 3 Benjamins on it. I DO, however, feel, that for $300, it should have come out of the box at a much higher quality level.

Taylortony
10-12-2004, 11:38 AM
I got one too cept i use it just to collect dust, only ever used it once, my saitek is my preference, i even have the pedals Gathering dust to lol again never used by me

RevvinUK
10-12-2004, 12:40 PM
I'm sorry to say I bought into the hype of the Cougar but it did'nt work out for me either. I went through four in 18 months, 3 of em developed faults in area's that would not have been solved with new gimbals or pots and the fourth was sold before it had chance to let me down. It was a lovely looking piece of kit and felt nice but every time I used it I had the nagging doubt it was about to fail me.

As I said I sold the fourth and decided to go back to CH sticks as my previous CH Force FX and Pro Throttle still work perfectly today..7 or so years later. I decided to go USB for the extra functionality and simple plug and play setup. 12 months on and the Fighterstick and Pro Throttle feel the same as they did the day I lifted them out of the box, no more centre play, buttons feel positive and don't stick at all and it's just as programmable as the Cougar I had and Bob Church is still churning out updates and new utilities for CH.

Capt.LoneRanger
10-12-2004, 01:09 PM
Big time LOL

I have my CH products Fighterstick and Pro throttle for over 8 years, now, and it's still much better centering than my new X45.

Don't go for the name, go for the quality.

Stiglr
10-12-2004, 02:42 PM
Revvin, you dropped 1.2 LARGE on Cougars in a year and a half??? Jeez... at those prices, one unsatisfactory unit would have been enough for me.

RevvinUK
10-12-2004, 02:57 PM
Eh? No I did'nt buy each unit. The first arrived direct from TM's UK shop and was dead on arrival. Instead of instantly offering a new one once I sent it back the said they would only take it back and repair it...WTF!! that was unacceptable for me for what was a new piece of electronic equipment especially as they said the whole process could take up to 4 weeks. I sent it back got a refund and ordered from RC Simulations who have a far better returns policy and were extremely helpful and understanding when each Cougar went back (they had considered stopping selling them because of all the hassle).

Daiichidoku
10-12-2004, 03:06 PM
If you can even find an electronics stores' ages-old ms pp2 instore demo, get it!not many buttons, but built like a chrysler A-727 Torqueflighte transmission...it will never let you down....and i have never had to adjust stick settings....bought first one in 98 or 99, secoind one for my ex son in law in 00 ( later I got both jsticks, hehe) both workin beaut

Jumoschwanz
10-12-2004, 08:24 PM
Once again, I have to plug my Microsoft Precision 2 that I bought in 2001, three years ago and have done nothing to at all. It still works like a charm. It gives great control and all the buttons work great. In fits of rage I have tried more than once to rip the stick out of the base to no avail.
I have another one of these on my other backup rig, and three more brand new in the box I bought when they were closing them out at local boutiques. So when mine does break I will be able to go to the closet like Shreoder, and replace it.

I think there might still be some of these available if you are lucky. S!

Jumoschwanz

Bearcat99
10-12-2004, 08:50 PM
My 2 year old MSFFB is still going strong.... so is my X45. Get an X45 with a replacement plan and be done.... $300... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif
sorry man..... I cant help it. Id go CH before Id go Cougar.. only because my pedals are still working flawlessly. I heard so much stuff about the CH a while back. Thats why I still say... without a doubt... for the price... the X45 is the best thing smokin in terms of durability,functionality (read number of buttons, pots and switches) programmability.

horseback
10-12-2004, 08:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Daiichidoku:
If you can even find an electronics stores' ages-old ms pp2 instore demo, get it!not many buttons, but built like a chrysler A-727 Torqueflighte transmission...it will never let you down....and i have never had to adjust stick settings....bought first one in 98 or 99, secoind one for my ex son in law in 00 ( later I got both jsticks, hehe) both workin beaut <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

****! Your daughter must have had one hell of a divorce lawyer...

cheers

horseback

ImpStarDuece
10-12-2004, 09:39 PM
My M$ Sidewinder 2 has just started to give up the ghost. Im getting a little too much looseness and dead stick area, even with my sticksettings tuned up to max.

Dissapointing that i'me gonna have to say goodbye to a stick that i've been using for something like 7 or 8 years. Built like a brick outhouse but one of the best sticks i have ever used. Got me all the way through X-Wing, TIE Fighter, X-Wing vs TIE fighter, X-Wing Alliance, Wing Commander se rise, CFS 2 (and VERY briefly CFS 3), EF 2000, Su-27 Flanker and two years exclusive use on Sturmovik.

Odd that the one microsoft product that most people have ever been completely happy with is the one thing that they have stopped making. There is something deep in that statement, but ill be ****ed if i can find it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

ImpStarDuece
10-12-2004, 09:43 PM
Hey, cool. I think i've just invented smiley mathematics.

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roybaty
10-13-2004, 10:46 AM
Aha! This proves there is a Satan, and Stiglr has sold his soul for a somewhat reliable COUGAR http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

But seriously, my problems have also been with frying the throttle pot when flashing, since then I have replaced the stock throttle with a pot from my old X36. Other than that, no outstanding problems, but then again I can't say my stick is heavily used, at least not for this past year.

But I'd still have to recommend CH gear for those looking for a HOTAS.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stiglr:
Revvin, you dropped 1.2 LARGE on Cougars in a year and a half??? Jeez... at those prices, one unsatisfactory unit would have been enough for me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Scen
10-13-2004, 11:16 AM
To answer the original question....

Yes you can got to the Cougar World forums and look for 2 guys that are doing the mods.

As mentioned before once you do the mod you basically have a joystick for life. The 2 guys the are doing the mods go by the name EvenStrain and IJ who makes the Uber mod.

Both replace the stock gimbles with high quality components and Hal sensors. Evenstrain now has a mod called the Evenstrain light which is a very high quality mod that will last for years at a much cheaper cost.

The reason why your cougar has worn out has to do with costs. First off the orginal Cougar was made with stainless steel and Thrusmaster wanted to keep the cost lower so they opted for cheaper metal. As a result the cougar will wear over time because of the softer metal.

Yes pots are still a problem however a guy named Cub Pilot got a hold of Hal sensors which have a huge lifespan because they don't have components that wear out. If you add these to your Cougar it will basically be a great joystick for some years to come.

At first the price was a little much for me to the make the mod but cosidering I had already bought an expensive stick I decided to make the jump.

I'm very glad I did actually. A moded Cougar crushes anything out there period. It's pretty much flawless in terms of precision. The gimbles make all the difference in the world. Then you add Hal sensors and you can say goodby to spiking and worn out pots. But remember it was at a cost. Expect to add another 2-3 hundered bucks to your stick.

After moding it and spending the money. I can say without a doubt its the best investment you can make.

I've had my stick now for 3 years without a hitch. Not one.

Scendore out