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darkhorizon11
09-21-2005, 02:19 PM
Its a decent flick but only for a history buff. Its pretty dark stuff, really gives you insight into the evil and hatred of the Third Reich.

The fact that Hitler was willing to suffer his own people under the treachery of war.

He was unable to recognize his own mistakes and blamed the entire loss of the war on his Generals and his soldiers who he claimed were bastards and cowards.

It really captures the chaos of Berlin, drunken orgies, by the end half the cast commits suicide, and soldiers openly disobeying orders.

There are some bad@ss battle scenes but the movie is mostly talk. Thats what will kill it with the movies going public. I dunno something about seeing a 13 year old openly run into a gaggle of a Russians with a panzerfaust just does it for me...jk


Overall I give it 3.5 out of 5.0, good movies but just wasn't as captivating as it could have been. I think they make the Russians look a little to innocent too. The Rape of Berlin was of almost Biblical proportions and the Russians were definitely much more vengeful and in many cases made no distinction between civilians and soldiers. In the movie however, there generally showed as a bunch of nice guys and they even address a group of nervous SS and comrades...

Overall its worth a watch at least once.

darkhorizon11
09-21-2005, 02:19 PM
Its a decent flick but only for a history buff. Its pretty dark stuff, really gives you insight into the evil and hatred of the Third Reich.

The fact that Hitler was willing to suffer his own people under the treachery of war.

He was unable to recognize his own mistakes and blamed the entire loss of the war on his Generals and his soldiers who he claimed were bastards and cowards.

It really captures the chaos of Berlin, drunken orgies, by the end half the cast commits suicide, and soldiers openly disobeying orders.

There are some bad@ss battle scenes but the movie is mostly talk. Thats what will kill it with the movies going public. I dunno something about seeing a 13 year old openly run into a gaggle of a Russians with a panzerfaust just does it for me...jk


Overall I give it 3.5 out of 5.0, good movies but just wasn't as captivating as it could have been. I think they make the Russians look a little to innocent too. The Rape of Berlin was of almost Biblical proportions and the Russians were definitely much more vengeful and in many cases made no distinction between civilians and soldiers. In the movie however, there generally showed as a bunch of nice guys and they even address a group of nervous SS and comrades...

Overall its worth a watch at least once.

Waldo.Pepper
09-21-2005, 02:27 PM
It is excellent. I own a copy.

JG52Uther
09-21-2005, 02:38 PM
My copy came today,and i have not had time to watch it yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.If you ever get to Berlin,you can still see buildings with bullet/shell damage even today.

tigertalon
09-21-2005, 02:44 PM
Yep, watched it at least 3 times. Being a history buff, it's right stuff for me - without silly love stories etc... and being historically very accurate. I give it 4.5 out of 5, the last .5 is missing because they should, like darkhorison said, show a bit more of fighting and slaughter to really show the suffering and tragedy that was going on there.

TheGozr
09-21-2005, 02:54 PM
yep! No laser sabre at the time sry http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vacillator
09-21-2005, 03:24 PM
Not every film can be a Hollywood Pearl Harbor type flick. Which is one hell of a relief http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

I've liked the sound of The Downfall for a while but missed it at the cinema. Think I'll order a copy.

KraljMatjaz
09-21-2005, 03:29 PM
The movie also excellently shows that there were many germans among the generals and leaders who contradicted the nazi ideas, some of them not only ignoring Hitlers orders, but even acting against them, like Sperr, Weidling, Mohnke,...

On the other hand there was a bunch of true nazis, loyal to Hitler in every aspect, the worst of them being Goebbels (a true sicho monster IMO), followed by Keitel, Jodl, Burgdoff...

It is sad that many people today (also around here) consider all Germans from that time as nazis, altough many of them were just fighting for their motherland as any of us would. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Waldo.Pepper
09-21-2005, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">t is sad that many people today (also around here) consider all Germans from that time as nazis, altough many of them were just fighting for their motherland as any of us would. Indifferent </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


THOSE people should watch The White Rose.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084897/

It too is excellent. Also I watched Napola (Before the Fall) last night. While not excellent it is quite good.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384369/

Bearcat99
09-21-2005, 04:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by KraljMatjaz:
The movie also excellently shows that there were many germans among the generals and leaders who contradicted the nazi ideas, some of them not only ignoring Hitlers orders, but even acting against them, like Sperr, Weidling, Mohnke,...

On the other hand there was a bunch of true nazis, loyal to Hitler in every aspect, the worst of them being Goebbels (a true sicho monster IMO), followed by Keitel, Jodl, Burgdoff...

It is sad that many people today (also around here) consider all Germans from that time as nazis, altough many of them were just fighting for their motherland as any of us would. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Absolutely. We must always remember that the first victims of the Nazis were other Germans who opposed thier ideology. I own a copy of the film. I havent seen it yet. I will soon though.

NorrisMcWhirter
09-21-2005, 06:00 PM
Excellent film that is well complimented by reading Beevor's book on the final days in Berlin.

Ta,
Norris

Oilburner_TAW
09-21-2005, 07:35 PM
fyi netflix has it available

civildog
09-21-2005, 09:04 PM
I saw it last week and it's a movie that marks you. I was afraid that it would be wallowing in improvised scenes of horror like so many films of this type will. Fortunately it didn't: for me the lack of more battle scenes gave it the pervading and oppressive sense of impending doom it deserved. After all, it wasn't so much a film about the fall of Berlin as it was about the Gotterdammerung of the Nazi Party and it's dream. And that dream didn't die with a great glorious last stand, no, it wimpered and scuttled off in the night leaving the civilians to pay the butcher's bill.

For me, the scene that perfectly captured the murderous insanity of that dream was the one in which the eldest daughter of the Goebbels family resists taking her mother's sleeping draught so she can be peaceably poisoned later. "Mother, I don't want to, please‚‚ā¨¬Ě will ring in my nightmares forever. Contrast that little horror show with Hitler having to turn his head away in despair as his dog is killed and you have the perfect ying-yang of the Nazis.

The desperate flight of small groups of bunker dwellers, popping out of the door in the street like so many rats fleeing into the dark as the city goes down is perfect.

So the last group of Russians we see the troopers surrender to are drunk and seem friendly?...anyone who watches that scene and doesn't feel the tension must have missed the tension when the girl accidentally makes eye contact with a Russian soldier and freezes like the proverbial bird under a serpent's gaze.

I'm glad I watched it - I think - but I won't need to ever see it again.

DmdSeeker
09-21-2005, 09:19 PM
Of course there's no battle scenes.

It's a story about the last days of Hitler in his bunker... just how many battles took place there? In fact; just how many WWII battle scenes does any one expect Hitler to take part in? What's next; a spurious love interest?

I thought the film fantastic; and important. Important because it shows Hitler as a human.

There's a tendancy to show Hitler and the Nazi's as some kind of inhuman monsters; which I believe to be a self defense mechanism; as if we can prove that "they" were somehow inherently diferent from "us" then we can be sure we won't sin in the same way.

This film shows graphicaly that Hitler was indeed "one of us"; and that subsequently we are all in danger of the same mistakes. That; and the fact that the film shows the fallaciousness of any kind of idea of "manifest destiny" were to the two main messages of the film for me.

Pirschjaeger
09-21-2005, 09:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DmdSeeker:
Of course there's no battle scenes.

It's a story about the last days of Hitler in his bunker... just how many battles took place there? In fact; just how many WWII battle scenes does any one expect Hitler to take part in? What's next; a spurious love interest?

I thought the film fantastic; and important. Important because it shows Hitler as a human.

There's a tendancy to show Hitler and the Nazi's as some kind of inhuman monsters; which I believe to be a self defense mechanism; as if we can prove that "they" were somehow inherently diferent from "us" then we can be sure we won't sin in the same way.

This film shows graphicaly that Hitler was indeed "one of us"; and that subsequently we are all in danger of the same mistakes. That; and the fact that the film shows the fallaciousness of any kind of idea of "manifest destiny" were to the two main messages of the film for me. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

DmdSeeker, that was well said.

I bought the movie last year but didn't feel like watching it for some time simply because I have "Blindspot: Hitler's Secretay". This is an interview with Traudl Junge, the young secretary that Hitler hires in the movie.

A friend later told me the movie was based on the accounts of Traudl Junge, so I decided to watch "Der Untergang". I was surprised that it was pretty much the way she had said it was. I had known this movie wasn't made in Hollywood so I never expected Tom Cruise or Bruce Willis singlehandedly saving the world. What I had expected is too long to go into but typical of the propaganda that has exsisted from 45' on.

The only questionable part of the movie was at the end, the friendly Russians. That part was typical of German movies and a result of the forementioned propaganda.

I think the movie was well made though. It's not something I'd want to watch a 3rd time. The subject of this movie is depressing.

Fritz

Luftwaffe_109
09-21-2005, 10:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> bought the movie last year but didn't feel like watching it for some time simply because I have "Blindspot: Hitler's Secretay". This is an interview with Traudl Junge, the young secretary that Hitler hires in the movie.
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is also an excellent interview of Traudl Junge by Eric Porter in the superb The World at War series.

Hawgdog
09-21-2005, 10:05 PM
Downfall is one of the best war movies of all time.
Extraordinary. I talked about it with my barber, who was a Hitleryouth. Really heavy stuff, not your typical war movie, but really (I thought) gave a good insight into the madness of the final months.
5 Star for me

Pirschjaeger
09-21-2005, 10:10 PM
Ha ha ha, Hawgdog, I was just reading your "Pilot's Lounge" thread.

Nice to see you post here dude. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Fritz

waffen-79
09-22-2005, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
It is excellent. I own a copy. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

me 2! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

neural_dream
09-22-2005, 03:42 AM
lol. I bet you do http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.

I didn't find the movie that good. In fact if you have watched all the UK history and Channel 4 documentaries, and the World at War series, the movie doesn't really add anything. Maybe quite cool for someone eager to learn about Hitler's last days, but nothing special if you know those things already or if you are not particularly interested in WW2 history.

Is it just me or there is a trend currently for Realism over Mainstream entertainment in films and games? Seems cool, but only a trend http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif.

Zjoek
09-22-2005, 03:48 AM
I think that's not the point. You don't watch a movie only to learn stuff. The performance, special effects, mood etc. make a movie interesting. Much more so than a documentary..

We all know about the battle of britain. Who wouldn't want a good remake (good being the keyword here)? You wouldn't learn much per se, but hell do I wanna see something like that! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Monson74
09-22-2005, 05:46 AM
"Der Untergang" is an outstanding movie IMHO - I'll rate it 4.5/5 - the last ‚Ĺ is missing because there are just too many characters & too little time to introduce them which makes it all a little confusing unless you really know your WWII history. That said, it's well researched, played & shot. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

ploughman
09-22-2005, 05:56 AM
Have yet to see it, the Mrs. is away this w'end so maybe I'll get it out and watch it then.

I went to Berlin in 1983, the place was still a bit of a shambles, the Reichstag was very sobering with shell and bullet marks on virtually every square foot of it. The Teufelsberg (sp?) blew my mind though, an enormous hill made out of the rubble of the destroyed city.

Flying_Nutcase
09-22-2005, 06:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
We all know about the battle of britain. Who wouldn't want a good remake (good being the keyword here)? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There's one coming, by Oleg Maddox. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Zjoek
09-22-2005, 06:12 AM
...Obviously I meant the movie http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Vuco1
09-22-2005, 10:34 AM
I watched the Downfall in cinema two times and I don't regret the money. As for me I give it all 5 stars, and the lack of action doesn't bother me at all. I even find it necessary for this movie, cause that way it separates the people who generally think in "No action, much thinking! Movie BAD!" way, from guys who can really see the quality and the dept of this masterpiece.

h009291
09-22-2005, 11:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There is also an excellent interview of Traudl Junge by Eric Porter in the superb The World at War series. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a complete DVD out called "Blind Spot - Hitler's Secretary". It was an interview with Traudl Junge compiled a few months before her death. Many of her statements and memoirs mirror those on the World At War, but this is 87 minutes long. Interviews usually put me to sleep. This one is fascinating stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

darkhorizon11
09-22-2005, 05:38 PM
Yeah I agree with the statements made here. The war movie fan in me wanted a few more battle scenes, like the Russians storming the Reichstag and more of the chaos of street fighting. And even to the most interested history buff, it did get dry at times.

I felt the ying-yang myself, even in one of the darkest times in history theres still good, like when the German soldiers actually get out of their foxholes and cover and the civilians give them water and food, and earlier when Speer confronts Hitler and tells him he disobeyed many of his orders (mostly the scorched earth policy stuff). Definitely great stuff. I'll admit I was looking forward to showing it to my roomate but didn't bother because I know he probably wouldn't be into it. Either way stil

BaldieJr
09-22-2005, 05:58 PM
Does it include an epic love story like Pearl Habor? I love it when a hero hooks up with a hottie.

civildog
09-22-2005, 08:45 PM
Exactly! And it needs a hit song, too! Everytime I see a plane go by while driving around the county I just have to sing that Pearl Harbor song. The "wind Beneath My Wings" line all gets me teared up. sniff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif

Pirschjaeger
09-22-2005, 09:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by h009291:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">There is also an excellent interview of Traudl Junge by Eric Porter in the superb The World at War series. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

There is a complete DVD out called "Blind Spot - Hitler's Secretary". It was an interview with Traudl Junge compiled a few months before her death. Many of her statements and memoirs mirror those on the World At War, but this is 87 minutes long. Interviews usually put me to sleep. This one is fascinating stuff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'll second that. I'd also like to mention another dvd set(4 discs) I have; "The Wonderful, Horrible Life of Leni Riefenstahl". This also looks into the realities of the time and disspells a lot of myths.

I've been collecting these documentaries for a long time. One thing I've noticed is that certain documentary makers, couch, Discovery, cough ahem, amoung others, use perfectly harmless footage in their documentaries and make it look sinister.

This was the main reason I didn't want to watch "Der Untergang" in the first place. I expected to see the common "Hitler as a raving lunitic" movie. But as H009291 pointed out, it was very accurate relative to Traudl's interview.

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
09-22-2005, 09:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by CivilDog:
Exactly! And it needs a hit song, too! Everytime I see a plane go by while driving around the county I just have to sing that Pearl Harbor song. The "wind Beneath My Wings" line all gets me teared up. sniff http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/cry.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The producers would have doubled their profit at the box office. Sales of Bratwurst would have skyrocketed. Mariah Carey would have been asked to write and perform the song, without a bra. Toy manufacturers would have been mass producing Hitler dolls, suitable for ages 35 and up. Bruce Willis would have played the part of a more youner, active Hitler and single-handedly beat the Russians back with every explosive weapon and cheezy line known to mankind.

But, it wasn't a Hollywood production. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif
Better luck next time. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

civildog
09-22-2005, 11:26 PM
I can see it now: they could punch up the story by having John Woo direct it with plenty of slo-mo cutscenes of Bruce "Hitler" Willis fastwalking up the Brandenberg Gate columns with an MP44 in each hand mowing down waves of crack Guards Shock troops.

Then the climactic battle mano-a-mano between Hitler and General Zhukov first going at it with dual pistols at near point blank range, leather trenchcoats flying behind them like wings as they jump across the roof tops of the burning Chancellery.

When their guns click empty, right after they shove them into eachother's mouths, they begin a quick-cut sequence of martial arts combat like never before shown on the big screen. All to the thunder of "Carmina Burana" with the apocalyptic fires of Berlin for a backdrop.

Pirschjaeger
09-23-2005, 12:40 AM
Civil-D, we should put our piggybanks and home movies together and make a block-buster. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Zjoek
09-23-2005, 01:18 AM
Hey! You forgot the witty sidekick! Let's have... let's see... Chris Rock as Himmler! He'll get tortured and murdered while Bruce "H." Willis has to watch, going into the classic arms-spread, camera from above "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" scene!

XD

Pirschjaeger
09-23-2005, 01:39 AM
Imagine the same scenario, but rather than Chris Rock as Himmler, we could use Rosanne as Goehring. But, could we get Bruce to scream "Noooooo!". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Let's not kill Chris Rock, he's cool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
09-23-2005, 01:42 AM
Ooops, just realized we've hijacked Dark-H's thread. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Oh well, since it's a hijacking shouldn't we make demands? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

I want a flyable Storch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz

waffen-79
09-23-2005, 09:08 AM
@CivilDog, PirshJaeger and Zjoek

I swear to you guys I imagine EVERY scene of that movie of yours. SWEET STUFF

Specially the Bruce crying "Noooooooooooooooo!" picture Chris Rock bossing around guys in Algemeine Uniforms http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Waldo.Pepper
09-23-2005, 09:49 AM
I think there needs to be a role for Pee Wee Herman in here somewhere. Maybe as Goebels.

Who for Goering? Tommy Lee Jones or Tom Arnold?

Too fun!

Low_Flyer_MkII
09-23-2005, 09:50 AM
You guys might enjoy this

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Favoutite line "Let her go - or I'll blow your other ball off!"

Interminate
09-23-2005, 11:30 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Ooops, just realized we've hijacked Dark-H's

I want a flyable Storch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, I can agree with this.

As for the film, I'm always glad to support German-produced works. Though I haven't seen it, It sounds like it made Hitler into a bad guy as usual to satisfy all you PC-heads. Let the "we saved the world rants" begin here. --&gt;

waffen-79
09-23-2005, 11:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I think there needs to be a role for Pee Wee Herman in here somewhere. Maybe as Goebels.

Who for Goering? Tommy Lee Jones or Tom Arnold?

Too fun! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tom Arnold definatly oh! and Ben Stiller, Will Ferell and Adam Sandler as wehrmacht generals or something.

Pirschjaeger
09-23-2005, 11:40 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Interminate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Ooops, just realized we've hijacked Dark-H's

I want a flyable Storch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, I can agree with this.

As for the film, I'm always glad to support German-produced works. Though I haven't seen it, It sounds like it made Hitler into a bad guy as usual to satisfy all you PC-heads. Let the "we saved the world rants" begin here. --&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You want a flyable Storch too? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Coooool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You got taste Trink! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
09-23-2005, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I think there needs to be a role for Pee Wee Herman in here somewhere. Maybe as Goebels.

Who for Goering? Tommy Lee Jones or Tom Arnold?

Too fun! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tom Arnold definatly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like realism, as close to fact as possible. I still vote Rosanne. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz

waffen-79
09-23-2005, 11:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by waffen-79:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Waldo.Pepper:
I think there needs to be a role for Pee Wee Herman in here somewhere. Maybe as Goebels.

Who for Goering? Tommy Lee Jones or Tom Arnold?

Too fun! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Tom Arnold definatly </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I like realism, as close to fact as possible. I still vote Rosanne. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah she would be perfect but the late Chris Farley would've been awesome for the rol http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

And don't forget Adam Sandler as a General or something

Interminate
09-23-2005, 12:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Interminate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
Ooops, just realized we've hijacked Dark-H's

I want a flyable Storch. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wow, I can agree with this.

As for the film, I'm always glad to support German-produced works. Though I haven't seen it, It sounds like it made Hitler into a bad guy as usual to satisfy all you PC-heads. Let the "we saved the world rants" begin here. --&gt; </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

You want a flyable Storch too? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif
Coooool. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

You got taste Trink! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah but you just aren't really sure what to do with it, are you? Maybe fly it over to the soviet side. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

Pirschjaeger
09-23-2005, 12:25 PM
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Interminate
09-23-2005, 05:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
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Let me elaborate as you didn't seem to get it, maybe I was a little bit too cryptic. You see, you are a guilt-ridden or guilt-racked person of German heritage. You don't know quite what you are or how you are looked upon by the rest of the world. Therefore, you might just fly that storch to the "other side" so to speak. I, on the other hand, am not guilt-ridden or guilt-racked so I would use my Storchy-storch to safely carry all my little officers to and fro along the battlefield in mass destruction of the enemy, that being the Soviets.

Klar? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

civildog
09-23-2005, 09:44 PM
Bah! Piddly little Storches!

I demand a Condor so I have enough room to carry off all the gold leaf I can peel from the walls of the Winter Palace! And all the silverware and "decadent" artwork, too.

If I don't get one soon (or at least a flyable Ju-88 or Pe-2/3) then I intend to take this thread to heights of absurdity as never before. Bwa-ha-ha!

civildog
09-23-2005, 09:47 PM
...or at least I'll fly it to Cuba. Or maybe just to L.A. for a Tommy's burger.

Dolemite-
09-24-2005, 02:51 AM
Wow Interminate, you seem to be a very nationalistic kinda guy... No problem with that right?

Waldo.Pepper
09-24-2005, 11:13 AM
Dolemite was a great movie too!

Go here -

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072895/

and view trailer.

Interminate
09-24-2005, 11:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolemite-:
Wow Interminate, you seem to be a very nationalistic kinda guy... No problem with that right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Is there a problem?

joeap
09-24-2005, 12:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolemite-:
Wow Interminate, you seem to be a very nationalistic kinda guy... No problem with that right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea nationali(social)ist kind of guy. Doubt he is German though.

TwoCrows
09-24-2005, 07:05 PM
I found that "Downfall" stands in great contrast to a film called "Conspiracy" which detailed the meeting in 1942 at which Heydrich, Eichmann etal hammered out the details of the "final solution".

Is power..... kings, prime ministers, popes and presidents have gone mad with it.

It has never been defeated.... just thwarted for a bit of time.

Pirschjaeger
09-24-2005, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Interminate:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Let me elaborate as you didn't seem to get it, maybe I was a little bit too cryptic. You see, you are a guilt-ridden or guilt-racked person of German heritage. You don't know quite what you are or how you are looked upon by the rest of the world. Therefore, you might just fly that storch to the "other side" so to speak. I, on the other hand, am not guilt-ridden or guilt-racked so I would use my Storchy-storch to safely carry all my little officers to and fro along the battlefield in mass destruction of the enemy, that being the Soviets.

Klar? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I am not guilty, the tag on the matress fell off on it's own! That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Dude, nice to see you've developed a sense of humor. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Fritz

Pirschjaeger
09-24-2005, 08:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolemite-:
Wow Interminate, you seem to be a very nationalistic kinda guy... No problem with that right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea nationali(social)ist kind of guy. Doubt he is German though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Austrian?

Fritz

Aaron_GT
09-25-2005, 02:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Tom Arnold definatly oh! and Ben Stiller, Will Ferell and Adam Sandler as wehrmacht generals or something. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like an all-star remake of The Producers!

joeap
09-25-2005, 05:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolemite-:
Wow Interminate, you seem to be a very nationalistic kinda guy... No problem with that right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea nationali(social)ist kind of guy. Doubt he is German though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Austrian?

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fritz dude, it's possible but I've read most of the neo-nazi websites are located in the US of A. Plus I think he writes english like a native speaker. The mods would know though.

Pirschjaeger
09-25-2005, 08:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Pirschjaeger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by joeap:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Dolemite-:
Wow Interminate, you seem to be a very nationalistic kinda guy... No problem with that right? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yea nationali(social)ist kind of guy. Doubt he is German though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Austrian?

Fritz </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fritz dude, it's possible but I've read most of the neo-nazi websites are located in the US of A. Plus I think he writes english like a native speaker. The mods would know though. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

He he he, it was a bit of a joke. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Interminate has been around for quite a while, only under other names. Trust me, he has improved ten-fold. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

I think your evaluation is right though. But, although he's probably American or Canadian, I think his family has a German background. I also thing he's in his late teens.

Besides his insults and rhetoric he actually gives good advice in more technical threads. He's not a bad guy.

Fritz

madsarmy
09-27-2005, 12:15 PM
D*mn good movie & so much better for not having tom cruise in it.

Waldo.Pepper
09-27-2005, 01:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">D*mn good movie & so much better for not having tom cruise in it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

To Cruise looks like he would make a good Nazi though. He's got (had when he was younger) that look in his eyes. That look that he is so sure where the treasure is he's willing to trample everyone elses garden to get to it. He made a good fanatic in Taps.

Interminate
09-29-2005, 09:57 PM
If that's your impression of Germans (Nazis) etc., you watch too many movies.