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F19_Orheim
09-06-2006, 08:20 PM
The "tone" online nowadays seems to get more harsh than ever. I have cursed many times over friendly and enemy behaviour (rams, cheats, friendly fire, kill steals, shoulder shooting etc.. I myself have never done anything wrong of course<span class="ev_code_RED">!!!!</span>

Now these actions are often the reasons for debates in the chat window, debates than tends to get more intense the more longer they last.

Now ONE reason that the chat goes overboard is of course that the other guy is a complete ****.

But we also have to consider language and cultural barriers. English seems to be the official language online, and for some of us who has another "mother tounge", misunderstandings occurs often, both with "english speaking pilots" and "non-so-good speaking pilots".

Also, in some cultures, to be called a "*****" is not a very positive thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So, keep Language and culture in mind when starting a debate online.

http://www.tristatevelo.com/images/arrow.gif HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ve37gVwxw)is an example how things can get ugly in a jiffy.

Discuss.

EDIT: I marked one foul word thats sounds like a small cat with "*****" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

berg417448
09-06-2006, 08:47 PM
Excellent!

BoCfuss
09-06-2006, 08:52 PM
Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
The "tone" online nowadays seems to get more harsh than ever. I have cursed many times over friendly and enemy behaviour (rams, cheats, friendly fire, kill steals, shoulder shooting etc.. I myself have never done anything wrong of course<span class="ev_code_RED">!!!!</span>

Now these actions are often the reasons for debates in the chat window, debates than tends to get more intense the more longer they last.

Now ONE reason that the chat goes overboard is of course that the other guy is a complete ****.

But we also have to consider language and cultural barriers. English seems to be the official language online, and for some of us who has another "mother tounge", misunderstandings occurs often, both with "english speaking pilots" and "non-so-good speaking pilots".

Also, in some cultures, to be called a "*****" is not a very positive thing. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So, keep Language and culture in mind when starting a debate online.

HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ve37gVwxw)is an example how things can get ugly in a jiffy.

Discuss.

Whats that? I don't understand a damn thing you just said, noob.

RedDeth
09-06-2006, 08:53 PM
im surprised you post was not deleted or locked. i am sensing on many threads a loosening up of the reins.

im not saying this is good

im not saying this is bad

just that the moderators are not droppin the ugly stick on peoples noggins as much anymore it seems

F19_Orheim
09-06-2006, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by RedDeth:
im surprised you post was not deleted or locked. i am sensing on many threads a loosening up of the reins.

im not saying this is good

im not saying this is bad

just that the moderators are not droppin the ugly stick on peoples noggins as much anymore it seems

Locked? WHy? It's not off topic, it rises the fact that the language online on servers is harsh, and that we need to actually realize that one of the reason is that all do not really speak excellent english (including me)....

or is MP (the link and the real reason for my post as it is hillariuous) disturbing to you?

or did u just not read my post thorougly? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/touche.gif

leitmotiv
09-06-2006, 09:10 PM
I can't speak for online, but I think the tone is getting very very low in the forums. At times I think I'm back in the world of the 13 year old male.

Pirschjaeger
09-06-2006, 09:17 PM
I'm sure you're making a good point, but I'm somewhat confused.

It seems you and Red Death are on two different channels. Or am I missing something here?

I think my post is your point, no?

Ironic isn't it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Fritz

F19_Orheim
09-06-2006, 09:27 PM
Pirsch yeah, I really think he posted in the wrong thread by mistake!,, VERY IRONIC and kind of funny in a sense LOL

Could also be a case of "I haven't really read a cr*p about what you wrote, but I will add a comment anyway"http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif seen it before.... people tend to not read through stuff nowadays.

Same thing as what happens online when arguments arise. People dont listen/read and make quick judgements. Funny how RD became a living proof in a thread that actually adresses the problem... LOL


I dont even think he saw the vid, do you? If he did I cant see how he didnt find it funny http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Scharnhorst1943
09-06-2006, 09:30 PM
Touch`e

Pirschjaeger
09-06-2006, 09:42 PM
Ha ha ha, this thread's gonna be a keeper. I also predict 10 pages with 38.5% of the posts being "Why isn't this thread locked?", followed by opinions. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I think, therefore I post. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1072.gif

I think that all too often people quickly read over another's post and quickly post their own opinions in response. If I read something and have a negative reaction, I read it more carefully a second time before posting. Save's embarrassment and thread space.

Fritz

Scharnhorst1943
09-06-2006, 09:59 PM
Actually the language online doesn't bother me. Some of it can actually be pretty funny at times. But there is always a limit, and if it is not done in a joking matter it can be a BIG problem. I personally really don't know, as I am strictly an offliner. That and language doesn't really phase me anymore. One of the bennafits of college.

Dew-Claw
09-07-2006, 12:42 AM
Heres what I learned from this thread....

Don't mess with the British...they can hear what you say from 4 blocks away! Especially the cops. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Monty_Thrud
09-07-2006, 01:12 AM
I have never had relations with a Sheep...

Nor have i got jiggy with my Mother or Father...

Hopefully, the kids are back at school soon, so things should improve online in gameplay and less bad language.

I have recently bought a Cattle Prod and use it on any passing children before they open their mouths...as Lemmy says...just in case http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

BiscuitKnight
09-07-2006, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by leitmotiv:
I can't speak for online, but I think the tone is getting very very low in the forums. At times I think I'm back in the world of the 13 year old male.

That's my fault: sorry. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Not played Il-2 online, but I've played enough hours on games like BF2 to imagine the situation. Of course there, the problem isn't a language barrier, but the fact that BF2 is largely designed for people over 15, but marketed at under 10s, or at least that's how I see it. Perhaps also, there's almost worse the 20+ types. Regardless, the mixture of people who waste resources for their team and lose flags through statwhoring start arguments, as do the people who try to order each other around. Including VOIP in a game like that is riddiculous. Interestingly, it's largely the over 20s I noticed that have a thing for whoring the VOIP to make their tactical recommendations and assign blame.

I guess you've got to try and keep a smile on your face, tolerate mistakes and switch servers when the going gets intolerable. Also, keeping dialogue chatty, friendly, always helped me.

carguy_
09-07-2006, 02:40 AM
Orheim is a corno.

Fork-N-spoon
09-07-2006, 02:47 AM
Originally posted by RedDeth:
im surprised you post was not deleted or locked. i am sensing on many threads a loosening up of the reins.

im not saying this is good

im not saying this is bad

just that the moderators are not droppin the ugly stick on peoples noggins as much anymore it seems

Hey red, get rid of that Pennsylvania Steel town logo, they don't make steel there any more. Imports you see. Maybe you should contact Pittsburgh and let them know...

It's a shame, Pennsylvania... coal mines and steel no longer exist... We used to be the king of industry, now it's only Walmarts...

Bolillo reporting live from Schuylkill County

DuxCorvan
09-07-2006, 03:03 AM
Originally posted by Fork-N-spoon:
Blondes are for Nancy Boys


You calling me Nancy? Are you talking to me?
You calling me Nancy or not? Because I don't see anybody else here, mmm?
Are you talking to me? Eh? You talking to me?

http://www.sorvarangerfilmklubb.com/graphics/movies/taxi_driver.jpg

leitmotiv
09-07-2006, 03:16 AM
Hell's bells, all's forgiven BisquitKnight!

F19_Orheim
09-07-2006, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by Dew-Claw:
Heres what I learned from this thread....

Don't mess with the British...they can hear what you say from 4 blocks away! Especially the cops. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

at last some guys who actually get it hehe
Maybe I should add; "humour also differs" http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

BTW, whats a "corno"

F19_Olli72
09-07-2006, 04:01 AM
They say swearing is a sign of having a poor vocabulary, so here's a tool to expand it http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif :

http://www.william-shakespeare.org.uk/shakespeare-insults-dictionary.htm

Low_Flyer_MkVb
09-07-2006, 04:16 AM
I sense a serious point to this thread. It's all too easy for non-native English speakers to pick up on certain words and attitudes, accepting them as the 'norm' - unaware that offence could be caused. This is in no way judgemental on my part. Perhaps observational on the declining standards amongst certain English speakers.

It's also of note that some of the very best English in this forum originates from those whose first language is not English - stand up and take a bow Dux, Friendly Flier, Kuna and your good self, Orheim. There are others of course, you guys just sprang to mind.

Now we come to the stereotyping of certain (to be honest, most) nationalities that has become ingrained in the (British) English language - I was raised in a society whose media would see the nationality first and the person second; for instance, Australians were seen as uncultured, tinned beer swilling types who said 'S'trewth!' a lot and referred to women as 'Sheilas' - I shouldn't need to tell you that some of our most cultured and intellectual members are Aussies, does this make my upbringing wrong, or are the Aussies who post here exceptions rather than the rule? (I hope you all know the way I see it by now).

I picked on the Aussies here because, with the British, they share a sense of humour that complicates matters for newcomers to our wonderful language - we trade insults a lot, having special words for each other and seemingly convinced that we belong to the better nation, 99% of the time this is in earnest jest. Of course we want to beat each other at cricket - but we're not really about to go to war over it.

There's a fine line between humour and insult that may unwittingly be crossed. Even more so when using the written rather than the spoken word. Just bear this in mind next time you call an Australian a 'bloody colonial reprobate'.

P.S. Great link Olli - thanks http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

F19_Orheim
09-07-2006, 06:50 AM
Hear hear! Well spoken. You have indeed very valid points and yes, there was a small seriousness in my writings, but really, the most important reason I wrote the post, was to let people enjoy Monty Python at their best, without having to mark the thread with an OT. My mistake to think that people would actually CLICK that d*mn link http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Actually it makes me a bit dismayed and disillusioned. People seem to understand the world though headlines, not the articles them selves. Internet seems to have destroyed people's reading skills, no more do we read texts, we FASTread, thus making misunderstandings and misinterpretations very easy to occur. Again the irony of a post that was intended to be a joke and end up actually enlighten a real problem

Now I am off to the music shop, the record I bought is scratched.

Werre_Fsck
09-07-2006, 08:16 AM
I swear whenever some f****d-in-the-head la-****** shoots my parachute. Or when pissed off otherwise. Or when drunk and pissed of. Or just having a bad day. But usually parashooting(tm) is the catalyst.

TgD Thunderbolt56
09-07-2006, 10:50 AM
Misunderstanding because of language differences is one thing. I've seen that many times and can easily see how some people's perceptions can be misplaced or misunderstood.

On the other hand, there are words that aren't misunderstood nor mistakenly spoken in any language and while I curse like Olli72 offline http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif, I don't do it in the chat bar in online servers and those that do don't think they're being misunderstood IMO.

rnzoli
09-07-2006, 03:50 PM
HERE is an example how things can get ugly in a jiffy.

Discuss.

Just a quick side-note: there is absolutely not single Hungarian word spoken in that MP scene http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

DuxCorvan
09-07-2006, 04:13 PM
Originally posted by rnzoli:
Just a quick side-note: there is absolutely not single Hungarian word spoken in that MP scene http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Pity. I was just saying "Tatranka ka trosk saska" to a Hungarian girl I know, without any reaction, except "WTF"-like face.

F19_Orheim
09-07-2006, 04:35 PM
i know your pain.. same with the Swedish chef in Muppet showhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Worf101
09-08-2006, 10:04 AM
I did swear online recently. Devil and or Outasoul not only shot me down but then chute popped me on purpose!!! I called em both "Dirty J<span class="ev_code_RED">**</span> sheep lovin' Bastiches". It was meant in fun, hope this doesn't get me banned.

Da Worfster

<span class="ev_code_RED">Please try not to use the term J** on these boards as many Japanese peope find it quite offensive. Thank you for your coooperation</span>

carguy_
09-08-2006, 11:58 AM
Well the Asian culture is so much different from western that I think it should be ignored.the word is NOT racial slur.The Japanese are so different that they need a special music in their toilettes running when taking a dump because they are EMBARRASED by those sounds.
I am not saying they are weird.They are different.And maybe they should take a point that other nations are different too.
You say *** you DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING NEGATIVE but they don not care,you just better lock the thread with the *** word in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

Hawgdog
09-08-2006, 06:23 PM
Originally posted by carguy_:
Well the Asian culture is so much different from western that I think it should be ignored.the word is NOT racial slur.The Japanese are so different that they need a special music in their toilettes running when taking a dump because they are EMBARRASED by those sounds.
I am not saying they are weird.They are different.And maybe they should take a point that other nations are different too.
You say *** you DO NOT MEAN ANYTHING NEGATIVE but they don not care,you just better lock the thread with the *** word in it. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

I'd use that as a sig quote if it weren't so long http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif