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Mysticpuma2003
09-10-2004, 11:31 AM
Hi guys, just in-case anyone hasn't seen this (sorry if it was already posted), this is a R/C B-52 taking off and landing, then further down the page the day of disaster. Looks like a real windy day when it takes off on it's final flight. Initial impressions....I'm glad I didn't own it!

http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm

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Mysticpuma2003
09-10-2004, 11:31 AM
Hi guys, just in-case anyone hasn't seen this (sorry if it was already posted), this is a R/C B-52 taking off and landing, then further down the page the day of disaster. Looks like a real windy day when it takes off on it's final flight. Initial impressions....I'm glad I didn't own it!

http://www.stukastudios.se/b52.htm

http://www.aqqm31.dsl.pipex.com/Mysticpuma.jpg

El Turo
09-10-2004, 11:48 AM
Wow.. that sucks. Wonder what went wrong there, exactly.

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1.JaVA_Razer
09-10-2004, 11:48 AM
thats very sad to see an dindeed it the damage is tremendeaus, I have a frend who fly's RC planes, he once told me a desent jet engine cost like 2000 for a good(big one) those little ones he uses cost like 1000 eurosq or something
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TC_Stele
09-10-2004, 12:00 PM
All good things must end. Extremely tragic. It's quite obvious that the plane itself showed their dedication and enjoyment with it. I'd hate to have been the RC pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/cry.gif

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Abbuzze
09-10-2004, 12:01 PM
Pity...
hmm at least the crash looks like a real one... also the smoke coming up behind the trees looks damn real... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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AlexDavies
09-10-2004, 12:03 PM
i've got an r/c BF110. it cost me 40 quid

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Gooner01
09-10-2004, 12:24 PM
Wow, what a shame! A LOT of work down the drain there. A beautiful model, too. Hope they rebuild.

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marcus763
09-10-2004, 12:32 PM
It was powered by 8 Wren Gas turbines and instead of a fuel pump for each engine, the guy, trying to save weight/cost I guess only used 2 fuel pumps, one for each wing of 4 engines. One pump failed and he didn't stand a chance, I guess he's learnt his mistake the hard way!

mortoma
09-10-2004, 12:42 PM
If a RC model is large enough to explode and cause fires ( like the real thing ) I'd say it's too big. An everyday small RC plane just cracks up when it crashes. That thing was too big and dangerous to fly in a populated area. It was big enough to destroy an average size home. But what part of Britain is not populated?? Maybe they should fly stuff like that on the artic tundra or maybe the Sahara desert?? Someone will end up getting killed in a accident with a plane that big. Lucky it just hit a farmers harvested crop field.

92SqnGCJimbo
09-10-2004, 12:43 PM
i must say that was one good lookin b52.. however the largest r/c model plane has just flown here in the uk.. A B52.

http://www.largemodelassociation.com/jets.htm
theres a few more as well. im personally working on a sea fury and a lancaster and a b25 mitchell
heres some piccies
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADrAiwUz7nGM4tQKURQr2VR7Afr!2aoC1*RiKLz99cMSSVHi zVsp022g!pUm79LhPDBsHAYZpDGv9Q2hlaCb8y1hu6zNQWgPgs y!61dyeM5AAAAynJ***/DSCI0003.JPG?dc=4675487323530098871

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAAdAy8UjLrGM4tQKURQr*0W4Oh92u83mAE4QtvyzCSuysezJ CRZyk3fs0cr4nj0W411BVTTlcLJGgwK4FJ1F*zufxpJan0WIZC bX88jve0zAAAAynJ5Ag/DSCI0006.JPG?dc=4675487323541259423
and heres me spit
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAAvAC4UTbrGM4tQKURQr!hIWNaM7mhveKLsaCcb9e5Aqv0KK MRPp3hzv7*e7sfCVk9dcSmMW*EIQpaIADVVlaTEKu8AQplO8Oq o7LQptXciAGgAdAB0AA/DSCI0005.JPG?dc=4675487323537654832 to be honest flying r/c is a gamble (thats part of the fun) and i garentee that the guys already on his next project..

its a modelers thing

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[This message was edited by 92SqnGCJimbo on Fri September 10 2004 at 11:59 AM.]

[This message was edited by 92SqnGCJimbo on Fri September 10 2004 at 12:00 PM.]

mortoma
09-10-2004, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by marcus763:
It was powered by 8 Wren Gas turbines and instead of a fuel pump for each engine, the guy, trying to save weight/cost I guess only used 2 fuel pumps, one for each wing of 4 engines. One pump failed and he didn't stand a chance, I guess he's learnt his mistake the hard way!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>So is that really what was found in an official investigation?? A stupid fuel pump??

p1ngu666
09-10-2004, 01:13 PM
ouch
i think some ppl put too much time and effort in and money, but if thats what they wanna do..

seemed tobe fast tho, faster than the b52's ive seen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Maj_Death
09-10-2004, 01:58 PM
Model airplanes do not fly at "realistic" speeds for their sizes. The size of the plane is scaled down, but you can't scale down the air molucules it must fly through. The result is most models fly at speeds significantly higher than the scaled down speed. For example I own a 1/8th scale P-47D-22 Thunderbolt. It has a cruising speed of around 90mph, the real thing at low alititude can only go maybe 250mph sustained. Now 1/8th of 250mph is only 31mph but that is roughly the stall speed without use of flaps for my model P-47. BTW this is a real example, I do own a 1/8th scale P-47D-22. I havn't flown it in a couple years though, college has drained away most of my money and time.

Anyways are they sure it was a dead fuel pump? That looks an awful lot like a dead battery to me because all he would have to do if one sides engines failed is shut down the other side and dead stick land it. The landing with a plane that size would probebly still be pretty rough and cause some damage but it wouldn't be totally destroyed.

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Freycinet
09-10-2004, 03:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlexDavies:
i've got an r/c BF110. it cost me 40 quid

http://www.jsutergraphix.com/portfolio%20art/P-47.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

how do you get cheap r/c planes like that? - all included???

Obi_Kwiet
09-10-2004, 04:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ouch
i think some ppl put too much time and effort in and money, but if thats what they wanna do..

seemed tobe fast tho, faster than the b52's ive seen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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Red_Russian13
09-10-2004, 06:43 PM
That's tragic...

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p1ngu666
09-10-2004, 06:55 PM
not sure if i spend that in a year, deffo not in 6 months http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Tully__
09-10-2004, 07:03 PM
If was really the fuel pump, one pump for each side was a bad plan. It would have been better with engines 1, 3, 6 & 8 on one pump and 2, 4, 5 & 7 on the other. A pump failure would then not result in assymetric thrust.

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Bearcat99
09-10-2004, 08:22 PM
It also looked like the weqather may have played a factor... did you see the sky and hear that wind? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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09-10-2004, 10:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
If was really the fuel pump, one pump for each side was a bad plan. It would have been better with engines 1, 3, 6 & 8 on one pump and 2, 4, 5 & 7 on the other. A pump failure would then not result in assymetric thrust.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly! I thought that as soon as I read that post about the pump failure. So... is that really the confirmed cause of the crash? I didn't find any suggested cause when I looked.

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sunflower1
09-10-2004, 10:59 PM
I flew R/C for years and, other than pilot error early on, I lost more planes to the on/off switches on the airborne half of the set. They are simple, cheap slide switches that can fail a long time before they become dirty or worn from use. The only a/c I never lost to slide switches were sailplanes.

I saw very, very few people take the time to work around that weakness in the equipment. That crash looks to me like, among other things, it could be a dead switch.

Jimbo is right, that guy already has a bench full of new stuff. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think Maj Death is right on, that guy, as we say, "hasn't got it." Or he was just too crappy a pilot to pull the power.

I bet those turbines would be hell on a cheap slide switch.

In the US, there is a size limit for planes flown under the AMA's membership insurance, I don't know if there is one set by law, although you'd think the Patriot Act would cover that.

The truly frightening thing is that Jimbo, Maj Death and I could whip up a 9-10 lb model capable of very close to 200 mph, onboard video to fly with and off-the-shelf powerplants. A plane like that would think nothing of toting an extra couple of pounds of whatever. It would be too small to knockdown. If I remember right, you're allowed up to 25 lbs.

I have a vague feeling that R/C A/C will not be allowed at some point. When the video stuff is totally off-the-shelf, which its close to now, you've got a disaster waiting to happen.

JG27_Aristo
09-10-2004, 11:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 92SqnGCJimbo:
i must say that was one good lookin b52.. however the largest r/c model plane has just flown here in the uk.. A B52.

http://www.largemodelassociation.com/jets.htm
theres a few more as well. im personally working on a sea fury and a lancaster and a b25 mitchell
heres some piccies
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SADrAiwUz7nGM4tQKURQr2VR7Afr!2aoC1*RiKLz99cMSSVHi zVsp022g!pUm79LhPDBsHAYZpDGv9Q2hlaCb8y1hu6zNQWgPgs y!61dyeM5AAAAynJ***/DSCI0003.JPG?dc=4675487323530098871

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAAdAy8UjLrGM4tQKURQr*0W4Oh92u83mAE4QtvyzCSuysezJ CRZyk3fs0cr4nj0W411BVTTlcLJGgwK4FJ1F*zufxpJan0WIZC bX88jve0zAAAAynJ5Ag/DSCI0006.JPG?dc=4675487323541259423
and heres me spit
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SAAvAC4UTbrGM4tQKURQr!hIWNaM7mhveKLsaCcb9e5Aqv0KK MRPp3hzv7*e7sfCVk9dcSmMW*EIQpaIADVVlaTEKu8AQplO8Oq o7LQptXciAGgAdAB0AA/DSCI0005.JPG?dc=4675487323537654832 to be honest flying r/c is a gamble (thats part of the fun) and i garentee that the guys already on his next project..

its a modelers thing

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RwAAAKYUV9WohzlTekrEej5FgrwxWyQ0S3cejYO2W5yCX7kWI qN7NAF5NXMr5DiDrxaAeMyIENpTJL8fBCRH3F0Q*37BNoLmDuO BgZw7pgA/dhm2110.jpg?dc=4675481137574892891

[This message was edited by 92SqnGCJimbo on Fri September 10 2004 at 11:59 AM.]

[This message was edited by 92SqnGCJimbo on Fri September 10 2004 at 12:00 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

got bad news for you bro that was the uk b52 that crashed.
the plane also had dual redundant radio and battery systems.
sunflower there have been video cams in some rc'rs planes for over ten years now.the ama limit is 55 lbs and top speeds can go well over 200 mph.
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tttiger
09-11-2004, 02:31 AM
Expensive hobby...

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[This message was edited by tttiger on Sat September 11 2004 at 03:19 AM.]

AlexDavies
09-11-2004, 03:37 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Freycinet:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AlexDavies:
i've got an r/c BF110. it cost me 40 quid

http://www.jsutergraphix.com/portfolio%20art/P-47.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

how do you get cheap r/c planes like that? - all included???<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
yes, everything was included, exept the batteries...it's a bit slow, which is why i bought it as it's my first R/C plane.

http://www.jsutergraphix.com/portfolio%20art/P-47.jpg

Mackane1
09-11-2004, 05:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
ouch
i think some ppl put too much time and effort in and money, but if thats what they wanna do..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I used to fly RC some years back and to be honest, I found much more enjoyment in the actual building process than in the flying...
I think AEP is alot more immersive and fun. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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09-11-2004, 06:04 AM
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sunflower1
09-12-2004, 12:06 PM
Aristo, thanks for correcting me about that weight limit, I'd forgotten completely I guess.

Do the off-the-shelf video units have adequate range to enable viewing to the limit of the Tx's range?

I know there's a guy around here who has a very sophisticated helicopter and camera setup that he uses commercially to take TV broadcast quality footage and show it in real time. Is that sort of thing ots yet?

92SqnGCJimbo
09-12-2004, 04:14 PM
didnt realise it was gordons lol. i know him personally and have seen this model in flight (albeit before the full paint scheme. must check ppl links more carefully)
knowin him he will already have loads underway and possibly a bigger b52. he already has a 1/3rd scale de haviland mossie and comet. as for the model he had to put the pumps where he did for the lma (large model association) to let the model fly. this was due to the model setting on fire when all turbines were on full bore(due to the heat generated). i witnessed this hehehe. still its a shame cause it was only finished for the beginning of july this year.

oh and u want the price $40000 is about 25000 try nearer 50000. there was 15000k on turbines alone and that aint including the supportin equipment to get em goin.. ah well he will have salvaged alot of it see what went wrong and move onto another

as for the weather it should have been ok. but when u lose half your poer and your in a right hand bank.. well try it in a 110 then excellerate it 10 times..

i luv model flyin..

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MadMacgunner
09-13-2004, 05:53 AM
Oh,my god.
Hoe did he flies such a big guy like if he was a fighter?
It´s too big and his speed too slow to make such maneuvers, don´t you think?

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madsarmy
09-13-2004, 12:21 PM
Teaching myself to fly at the moment.
The wind played a big part in me taking my trainer home in a bin bag.
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lil_labbit
09-13-2004, 01:15 PM
Seems the first link went offline http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But I assume it's the same model as here
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robert.ashley/teambananaracing/gallery.htm

very sad...

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Mysticpuma2003
09-14-2004, 10:38 AM
Yup it's the same one!

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