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zero85ZEN
07-12-2006, 09:39 PM
I'm curious about stats that never showed up on the server. Last night I flew several sorties and racked up 4 kills total. When I checked the server stats at the War Clouds website it only updated two of my kills. Now I'm not really obsessed with my stats by any means. Plus I suck, so they're nothing to write home about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif But I'm just curious why this might be. I did disconnect right after landing my final sortie in which I got my final two kills. But before disconnecting I hit "refly" and checked the stats in game (via esc+s) and it showed my kills. Do you need to stay on the server for a certain amount of time to have the stats become "permanent" or something?
Just curious. I know in the grand scheme of things this is pretty minor. Sorry if I I've wasted 20 seconds of anyone's time with this post.

But hey, at least it isn't the 3 millionth post on how Oleg porked the P-51. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

And it seems like everyone's getting a little restless on these IL2 forums waiting for 4.06 to be released...(in two weeks, be sure). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif

La7_brook
07-12-2006, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by zero85ZEN:
I'm curious about stats that never showed up on the server. Last night I flew several sorties and racked up 4 kills total. When I checked the server stats at the War Clouds website it only updated two of my kills. Now I'm not really obsessed with my stats by any means. Plus I suck, so they're nothing to write home about. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/bigtears.gif But I'm just curious why this might be. I did disconnect right after landing my final sortie in which I got my final two kills. But before disconnecting I hit "refly" and checked the stats in game (via esc+s) and it showed my kills. Do you need to stay on the server for a certain amount of time to have the stats become "permanent" or something?
Just curious. I know in the grand scheme of things this is pretty minor. Sorry if I I've wasted 20 seconds of anyone's time with this post.

But hey, at least it isn't the 3 millionth post on how Oleg porked the P-51. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/53.gif

And it seems like everyone's getting a little restless on these IL2 forums waiting for 4.06 to be released...(in two weeks, be sure). http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif ask here http://www.war-clouds.com/forums/index.php?sid=e624f6b1...c2810166b929c11534f2 (http://www.war-clouds.com/forums/index.php?sid=e624f6b1d653c2810166b929c11534f2)

JG5_UnKle
07-12-2006, 11:47 PM
There are stats?!?!?

Capt.LoneRanger
07-13-2006, 12:18 AM
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....

2. Exit before crash
There is a slight bug in the IL2-Engine, that was in since the original release. When you shoot another players plane and he bails out, he can instantly hit refly. When he does before the plane explodes or hits the ground it won't count as a kill for you. The plane is still destroyed for his statistics and for the overall plane-numbers, but no points for you.

I know some people do this on purpose... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
07-13-2006, 12:20 AM
@ UnKle

http://www.war-clouds.com/wf-stats/index.php?navigation=pilots/2915/index.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

DEY_RAVEN_UK
07-13-2006, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....

2. Exit before crash
There is a slight bug in the IL2-Engine, that was in since the original release. When you shoot another players plane and he bails out, he can instantly hit refly. When he does before the plane explodes or hits the ground it won't count as a kill for you. The plane is still destroyed for his statistics and for the overall plane-numbers, but no points for you.

I know some people do this on purpose... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Or if the plane you destroyed had flack damage thats also never seems to show as a kill.

JG5_UnKle
07-13-2006, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
@ UnKle

http://www.war-clouds.com/wf-stats/index.php?navigation=pilots/2915/index.html

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Cool! Thanks

Clearly I need more time there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/halo.gif

WOLFMondo
07-13-2006, 03:01 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....


I'd say its just as bad on WC if not worse, because of the stats. There are guys that will do anything to get that extra kill, even kill freindlies in the way. Its not as bad as some other servers though but its about taking the rough with the smooth.

Just watch how a smoking plane attracts half a dozen kill stealers.

DEY_RAVEN_UK
07-13-2006, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....


I'd say its just as bad on WC if not worse, because of the stats. There are guys that will do anything to get that extra kill, even kill freindlies in the way. Its not as bad as some other servers though but its about taking the rough with the smooth.

Just watch how a smoking plane attracts half a dozen kill stealers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree..... You have to completly destroy the plane now.... no more just hurting it and letting him fly across his border where he can bail because you know someone will finish him off even if you see thick black smoke and no prop.It does cause a few heated arguments sad but true and im sure it happens in other servers not just WC.

STATS why blame everything on stats. Thats no excuse for kill stealing. Stats are there for your own benefit to see if you are improving with gun accuracy K/D ratio etc and i cant see what satisfaction someone gains from shooting a plane that is clearly unable to continue fighting. Maybe they just need the kill and they cant get it no other way.

My stats on WC are there purely for my own beneffit and reading through many posts on these forum people cringe when they mension stats (cringe). http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Capt.LoneRanger
07-13-2006, 04:19 AM
Well, WOLFMondo, I doubt it's all about the stats. Risking friendly fire to get the kill, will get you banned quicker than you think - at least for this server.
Same is for constant kill-stealers and air-quakers.

IMHO the best thing about WC is the fact that most of the pilots there are gentlemen and fly there to have fun together. I actually never had another server, where a S! meant S! not "Feed the worms, idiot."
The other good thing about this server is the fact that there is at least one admin most of the time. If the excellent scripting doesn't make an end of the teamkiller, one of them does.

Okay, this has some downsides, as I noticed yesterday, when I got ramned by a stalling FW and crashed into the convoy I had to protect... got me banned for 2 hours http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

HeinzBar
07-13-2006, 08:47 AM
S!,
Next time that happens Ranger, let an admin know about the situation. They can remove your warning pts (ban). This situation happens and can be quickly fixed if an admin is around. There usually is one admin around, but they have lives outside of WC too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Some folks disagree about the deathkick or friendly object kill kick, but it does make for a smoother server w/o folks having to worry about TKers or other trouble makers that intentionally try to ruin the fun for all.

HB

karost
07-13-2006, 08:48 AM
Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:

2. Exit before crash
There is a slight bug in the IL2-Engine, that was in since the original release. When you shoot another players plane and he bails out, he can instantly hit refly. When he does before the plane explodes or hits the ground it won't count as a kill for you. The plane is still destroyed for his statistics and for the overall plane-numbers, but no points for you.

I know some people do this on purpose... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I agree that

in War Clouds Sever , I like to fly with old friends because we develop and respect in gentelman culture , we avoid about steal-kill , shoot over other friends head and always apply with good team-play.

"Exit before crash" is a bad choice for the one who not respcet him self . I away see a same guy[s] on spirt,template jump on 4-5 LW's plane and try to make a fast kill with out fear coz he can make a kid-cheating (Exit before crash) after he was shoot. hmmm that look smart ?

for me... I never saw P-51,P-47,P-38 did a cheating like this in WC.

so when we saw US plane and spirt we like to shoot a spirt first with 2xMK108 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

S!

I_KG100_Prien
07-13-2006, 09:01 AM
2. Exit before crash
There is a slight bug in the IL2-Engine, that was in since the original release. When you shoot another players plane and he bails out, he can instantly hit refly. When he does before the plane explodes or hits the ground it won't count as a kill for you. The plane is still destroyed for his statistics and for the overall plane-numbers, but no points for you.

I know some people do this on purpose... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

I've hit refly before my plane hit the deck on many occasions, and it wasn't to cheat someone from a "kill" and by "kill" I mean some stupid stat padding on a website for +epeeen online Ace factor. It was merely to get back in the cockpit and get airborne to the target again.

Simple fact: YOU know you did the flying to get on your opponents six. YOU know you pulled the trigger. YOU know it was YOUR bullets that sent the other guy down.

So who cares if someone hits the refly before the game server can register a crash and thusly put another number next to your name on a website...

It's "stats" and "points" that turn servers into "Airquake"

Brain32
07-13-2006, 09:26 AM
2. Exit before crash
There is a slight bug in the IL2-Engine, that was in since the original release. When you shoot another players plane and he bails out, he can instantly hit refly. When he does before the plane explodes or hits the ground it won't count as a kill for you. The plane is still destroyed for his statistics and for the overall plane-numbers, but no points for you.
Now this is not correct, the only thing that can bug things out sometimes is if the player disconnects from the server completely. Whenever you see "Enemy aircraft destroyed message" SC records a kill, in the chatbar you see something like "1eAir added to your stat". When you PK a guy(black screen) or when he bails and hits refly before the plane hits the ground, he has a refly button, when he presses it, you get the kill in stats - FACT (or the server is biased in my favour only http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif). This was explained many times and I'm suprised people still don't know it, hitting "refly" is not the same thing as disconnecting. I will hit refly as soon as available be sure, because I really don't feel like waiting untill my plane crashes, and I repeat again it will NOT have any negative effect on the guy that shot me down, because it will have same effect as in the moment the plane hits the ground, you get it, like a time skip http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

karost
07-13-2006, 10:28 AM
in W/C all players have 3 DeadKick ,if hit refly before dead is allow then 3 DeadKick is no meaning..!

see my TRACK FILE (http://www.k9bmax.com/karost/game/il2/track/kid_cheating.zip) this bug can make a kid-cheating

I did that before , I not lose a DeadKick and can stay longer! well but that not the way I like, it is a cheating to my red good friends out there.

S!

Scen
07-13-2006, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....


I'd say its just as bad on WC if not worse, because of the stats. There are guys that will do anything to get that extra kill, even kill freindlies in the way. Its not as bad as some other servers though but its about taking the rough with the smooth.

Just watch how a smoking plane attracts half a dozen kill stealers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Atually it depends upon what time of day you fly... If you're in the states and you tend to fly evenings there is less of it. I think during the weekends there's a wide range of people flying and you will see more kill stealing.

If there is a an admin they won't last long

I_KG100_Prien
07-13-2006, 10:49 AM
Originally posted by karost:
in W/C all players have 3 DeadKick ,if hit refly before dead is allow then 3 DeadKick is no meaning..!

see my TRACK FILE (http://www.k9bmax.com/karost/game/il2/track/kid_cheating.zip) this bug can make a kid-cheating

S!

No, death kick applies to pilot the pilot being "killed".. Not being shot down. Remember, you can't hit refly until you are on the ground, or have bailed out, crashed.

If your pilot gets killed, you still register on the tally as getting one of your three "killed".

The only thing that happens if a pilot gets his plane shot up, bails out, and then hits "refly" before his plane "crashes" or "explodes" is the victor has the potential for his "kill" to not be recorded on a website.

I don't get what the big deal is.

Like I said before, "Points" and "Stats" are what lead to:

1. Kill stealing
2. People complaining that XXXXX weapon is porked because they don't make a plane explode in to billions of peices with a 2 second burst, and they aren't happy with just rendering a plane incapable of fighting any further. They just gotta see it go down in flames. (even though if they do enough damage, and the guy they shot up lands and hits "refly" they still get a kill credit)

Again, stats are an evil creature that some people take entirely too seriously. Stop worrying about irrelivant numbers so much and just enjoy the sim for what it is :P

karost
07-13-2006, 10:57 AM
"death kick applies to pilot the pilot being 'killed'."

Yes...you right! , but the point is that guy bail out below "500 meter" his chut can not open in time , then he use refly button to cheating his dead.

see my track and think.
the one who did that know it well in WC server.

S!

Brain32
07-13-2006, 11:08 AM
in W/C all players have 3 DeadKick ,if hit refly before dead is allow then 3 DeadKick is no meaning..!
Karost, m8, for deathkick to happen one has to DIE or be CAPTURED by enemy forces, bailouts don't count. If you get killed or captured 3 times in a row you get kicked simple as that, "refly" button has nothing to do with it, it only gets you in the air again faster http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
BTW watched the track, I don't get what's cheating there? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif?

karost
07-13-2006, 11:20 AM
Brain32 , thank for see my track and sorry for not make a clear description

at the last track that guy break out after over shoot me and was shooted by our one good mate but he come too fast and hit that spirt and lost one wing, our mate try to pull nose up to bail out

but spirt has no wing his nose down and he hit bail out under 500 meter with nose down to the ground ... what do you think? do you see his chut open ? , can you made a surviever after bail out below 500 meter with a plane has no wing.?

the point is our mate was capture and lose "one dead" but that guy not lose dead and can stay longer for his cheating.

btw, thanks again for see my track http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

S!

AnaK774
07-13-2006, 11:23 AM
If youre flying for team at DF server, its better to leave nme badly crippled and limping home.

Nursing damaged plane home takes much more time than hitting refly.

Brain32
07-13-2006, 11:38 AM
I understand your concern, I also noticed lifless pilot body falling down, but I assure you again m8, he did get that death counted, I did same thing he did many times, and my death waited for me, no runnin' away(OK that sounds scary http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif). Best way is to check plane/pilot status before and after to be apsolutely sure...

BTW I remember that map, Spits just decloacking from that mist already in shooting range when you first see them, it was a nightmare, brrrrr, scary, nice evading on that Spit m8 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

karost
07-13-2006, 06:50 PM
thanks Brain, but I recomment not follow my style below 500 meter, coz 7 in 10 will crash a ground (no time enough to hit refly) http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

back to refly issue, this bug should fix by...(in case pilot make 'save bail out') after a player hit "bail out" then refly button should delay to "enable" after a pilot's chut opened about 5-10 second, that is look acceptable.

that all of what I mean for "kid-cheating" in DF Server.

S!

zero85ZEN
07-14-2006, 08:33 AM
Thanks for all the replys.
Since the kills showed up on my stats while still connected to the server and in game, I'm wondering if someone used one of the tricks mentioned above and that's why the kills didn't 'stick' on the War Clouds server stats.
?
Who know's? I've worked enough in IT to know that data doesn't always stay or go where it's supposed too.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif

WOLFMondo
07-14-2006, 08:42 AM
Originally posted by Scen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....


I'd say its just as bad on WC if not worse, because of the stats. There are guys that will do anything to get that extra kill, even kill freindlies in the way. Its not as bad as some other servers though but its about taking the rough with the smooth.

Just watch how a smoking plane attracts half a dozen kill stealers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Atually it depends upon what time of day you fly... If you're in the states and you tend to fly evenings there is less of it. I think during the weekends there's a wide range of people flying and you will see more kill stealing.

If there is a an admin they won't last long </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The kill stealing doesn't bother me though. I know I did the damage, I know a made the killing blow, thats enough for me. If someone chases after the burning plane then they can do that, its wasting there ammo and fuel.

zero85ZEN
07-14-2006, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Scen:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Capt.LoneRanger:
I know that pain zero85ZEN.

The problem with the stats is well known and there are 2 main reasons why your kills were not confirmed:

1. Killsteal
It is common online, but a lot less frequently on WC. The one who hit's your plane last before it crashes get's the kill. I had comrades firing at my enemy, who had only one wing left, was on fire or stalled out while at 50ft, just to get the points....


I'd say its just as bad on WC if not worse, because of the stats. There are guys that will do anything to get that extra kill, even kill freindlies in the way. Its not as bad as some other servers though but its about taking the rough with the smooth.

Just watch how a smoking plane attracts half a dozen kill stealers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Atually it depends upon what time of day you fly... If you're in the states and you tend to fly evenings there is less of it. I think during the weekends there's a wide range of people flying and you will see more kill stealing.

If there is a an admin they won't last long </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The kill stealing doesn't bother me though. I know I did the damage, I know a made the killing blow, thats enough for me. If someone chases after the burning plane then they can do that, its wasting there ammo and fuel. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree and feel the same way. I just like to chart my improvement a bit via the server stats at the website.