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anikollag
04-01-2004, 04:08 AM
Can someone tell me why is the 190 so hard to fly???? Was it realy like that. English Capt Eric Brown (wellknown test pilot) didn't encounter such problem with the controls of the 190? Does anybody have a explanation? Thanks in advance.

anikollag
04-01-2004, 04:08 AM
Can someone tell me why is the 190 so hard to fly???? Was it realy like that. English Capt Eric Brown (wellknown test pilot) didn't encounter such problem with the controls of the 190? Does anybody have a explanation? Thanks in advance.

FW190fan
04-01-2004, 04:18 AM
What_specific_problems are you having? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The FW190 has a high wing loading so it will also have a pretty vicious snap-stall if you push it to hard. (Brown also mentions this)

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Rajvosa
04-01-2004, 04:18 AM
I don't think it's "hard" to fly... It is complex and advanced, but very rewarding. I like it a lot. Nothing rolls like a Fw 190!

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Xnomad
04-01-2004, 04:31 AM
Well aparently the 109 was supposed to be hard to fly and the 190 was supposed to be easier, I find that the opposite. Sure it's not hard to fly if you fy it all the time, but it is not a beginner friendly plane, especially online.

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JG6_Oddball
04-01-2004, 04:50 AM
the 190 is not hard to fly, it was the very first plane i flew in this game, but u have to remember it is not a turn fighter you MUST watch you speed anf dont get caught low with you speed bleed out, the dora's and A4 are my prefered flavor , just remember SPEED AND ALTITUDE ARE LIVE in the german planes.

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Slush69
04-01-2004, 05:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by anikollag:
Can someone tell me why is the 190 so hard to fly???? Was it realy like that. English Capt Eric Brown (wellknown test pilot) didn't encounter such problem with the controls of the 190? Does anybody have a explanation? Thanks in advance.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, English Capt. Eric Brown, the wellknown test pilot, was an experienced real life pilot, and not the kind of halfwitted computer pilot like me and you, who try to pull stunt manouvres waaaay to close to the envelope. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

cheers/slush

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SeaFireLIV
04-01-2004, 05:38 AM
Good point, Slush69. It`s old common mistake of thinking that `Ace in real life did it, why can`t I?` Then they complain. You`re not the same calibre as these guys in reality...

It`s all about learning and practise. As is pretty much well known here, if you want to fly good Luftwaffe planes you need more discipline and initial skill than most other aircraft. They`re not `pick up` and fly like the VVS or even the Spit.

Longjocks
04-01-2004, 05:42 AM
The 190, eh? Simple, pull back too hard on the stick and you find yourself in it thick. Hehe... I'm a poet and unaware of the fact.

You have to be gentle with that bird. As Oddball said, speed is one major factor. You need to keep it above 400kph if you want to yank back on the stick. Of course any such turn will bleed that speed in a heartbeat.

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JorBR
04-01-2004, 09:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
Well aparently the 109 was supposed to be hard to fly and the 190 was supposed to be easier, I find that the opposite. Sure it's not hard to fly if you fy it all the time, but it is not a beginner friendly plane, especially online.

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I guess it´s just the contrary, excepting in takeoffs and landings, 190 flying require a more intelectuall approach. It´s an unforgiving plane, when well handled it´s deadly, anything beneath that makes you an ease prey.

First of all, tweak your input settings, I found this plane very sensitive to pitch inputs. You may also search the boards from tips from the pros, plenty of them around.

My 2c advice. Always, I mean always, engage with E advantage, don´t forget it´s a solely B&Z plane. Never turn more than absolutelly necessary to put you in a good fire position and never throttle back to be in the boogey six a few more seconds. Needless to say good marksmanship is paramount.

When catch slow and low try to outrun the boogey, if he is to close built some altitude, you will need at least 250m to bail safely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

Anyway, sooner or latter you´ll start to loose your E advantage. Flat dive, throttle up, go home, fight another day.

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Belzeebub
04-01-2004, 10:17 AM
Well...

I have over 200 hours of 190 flight in this game and don't think it's that difficult. How many hours do you have??????????

Belzeebub

robban75
04-01-2004, 10:23 AM
In order for a plane to be easy to fly in FB it has to turn well, or so it seems. The ability to turn is probably more important in FB than it was in RL.(In RL pilots pulling continous high G experienced fatigue anywayshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.) The excellent control harmony of the 190 is one of the reasons why it was so appreciated by the pilots that flew it, the Kommandogerat is another thing. The 190's main attributes in FB is speed, but with combat flaps and a gentle hand it can turn pretty good aswell! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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VW-IceFire
04-01-2004, 01:10 PM
The 190 is easier to fly, but its harder to fly in combat conditions in the average dogfight server. If you play co-ops and fly FW190's its generally easier than the 109 which is harder to fly with but sometimes easier to dogfight with.

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Fehler
04-01-2004, 01:39 PM
Just keep flying it. You will learn to appreciate it's strengths.

But I suggest getting OFF external view servers. B&Z requires patience and stealth. Dogfight servers destroy the "Patience" part of this, and externals take away ALL ideas of stealth.

Enter a fight with the advantage and try to exit it before you lose it. That's the 190 way.

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lbhskier37
04-01-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fehler:



Real men fly radials!

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Radials eh? What's that in your sig http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

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JG7_Rall
04-01-2004, 02:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Xnomad:
Well aparently the 109 was supposed to be hard to fly and the 190 was supposed to be easier, I find that the opposite. Sure it's not hard to fly if you fy it all the time, but it is not a beginner friendly plane, especially online.

http://www.xnomad.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/sig.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I guess it´s just the contrary, excepting in takeoffs and landings, 190 flying require a more intelectuall approach. It´s an unforgiving plane, when well handled it´s deadly, anything beneath that makes you an ease prey.

First of all, tweak your input settings, I found this plane very sensitive to pitch inputs. You may also search the boards from tips from the pros, plenty of them around.

My 2c advice. Always, I mean always, engage with E advantage, don´t forget it´s a solely B&Z plane. Never turn more than absolutelly necessary to put you in a good fire position and never throttle back to be in the boogey six a few more seconds. Needless to say good marksmanship is paramount.

When catch slow and low try to outrun the boogey, if he is to close built some altitude, you will need at least 250m to bail safely http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

Anyway, sooner or latter you´ll start to loose your E advantage. Flat dive, throttle up, go home, fight another day.

"Never wrestle with a pig; you both get dirty but the pig enjoys it!"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. When people/books/pilots say the 190 was easier to fly, or was more of a pilots plane, they mean the actually FLYING part of the plane, not necessarily dogfighting. Due to its wide undercarriage it was much, much easier to land and take off in real life. It wasn't as maneuverable as a 109 but as the pilot got to know the 190, maneuverability wasn't too large of a factor. Like said above, the 190 requires an intellectual approach to dogfighting. You must use its strenghts-high speed handling, amazing roll rate, and great energy fighting capabilities. Don't turn fight with it and stay away from crazy verticle maneuvers that maybe the 109 can pull off. Just engery fight with it and you will see why so many of us love this plane to death. It's certainly got its weaknesses, but IMO the positives outweigh the negatives.

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anikollag
04-05-2004, 04:58 AM
Thank you all of you for your answers. I sink i ll have to practice before to bag some victory!
Promess, I ll try to be use a bit more of my brain!
See you tanks

HuninMunin
04-05-2004, 05:20 AM
I wouldn`t know what to do without the Schlachtervogel`s armament. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif
And it rolls and rolls and rolls... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif
+ it looks pretty mighty http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

anikollag
04-05-2004, 02:58 PM
Hi it'a me again... I have found more info about the 190. Aire vice Marshal J E Johnson (Mach 1, Edition Atlas) is talking about a dogfight above Dieppe in 1942. He was flying a Spit Mk. V. During the dogfight he was OVERTURN by a 190!He said that the solved the problem after Dieppe by changing the ailerons
The question is: how is it possible to outturn a Spit with a 190 with such a bad elevator???
The rate of roll is a thing but the rate of turn is another! I think thart the 190 is too touchy in the game.
I went back to Cpt Brown's book (wings of the Luftwaffe, Airlife) he really doesn't seem to have any prob with the 190 even when he sake it a bit! The only prob he had was the heaviness of the elevator at all speed and specially avove 563 km (350 mph)...
Whatever..., for the game the experts you are told me to zoom attack and be gentle with the stick. Ok, I'll try do my best! Perhaps I have to go back to the Ar.68! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThanks you a lot for your help! It's always nice to have the team to support the blue! See you!

anikollag
04-05-2004, 02:59 PM
Hi it'a me again... I have found more info about the 190. Aire vice Marshal J E Johnson (Mach 1, Edition Atlas) is talking about a dogfight above Dieppe in 1942. He was flying a Spit Mk. V. During the dogfight he was OVERTURN by a 190!He said that the solved the problem after Dieppe by changing the ailerons
The question is: how is it possible to outturn a Spit with a 190 with such a bad elevator???
The rate of roll is a thing but the rate of turn is another! I think thart the 190 is too touchy in the game.
I went back to Cpt Brown's book (wings of the Luftwaffe, Airlife) he really doesn't seem to have any prob with the 190 even when he sake it a bit! The only prob he had was the heaviness of the elevator at all speed and specially avove 563 km (350 mph)...
Whatever..., for the game the experts you are told me to zoom attack and be gentle with the stick. Ok, I'll try do my best! Perhaps I have to go back to the Ar.68! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThanks you a lot for your help! It's always nice to have the team to support the blue! See you!

anikollag
04-05-2004, 03:00 PM
Hi it'a me, back again... I have found more info about the 190. Aire vice Marshal J E Johnson (Mach 1, Edition Atlas) is talking about a dogfight above Dieppe in 1942. He was flying a Spit Mk. V. During the dogfight he was OVERTURN by a 190!He said that the solved the problem after Dieppe by changing the ailerons
The question is: how is it possible to outturn a Spit with a 190 with such a bad elevator???
The rate of roll is a thing but the rate of turn is another! I think thart the 190 is too touchy in the game.
I went back to Cpt Brown's book (wings of the Luftwaffe, Airlife) he really doesn't seem to have any prob with the 190 even when he sake it a bit! The only prob he had was the heaviness of the elevator at all speed and specially avove 563 km (350 mph)...
Whatever..., for the game the experts you are told me to zoom attack and be gentle with the stick. Ok, I'll try do my best! Perhaps I have to go back to the Ar.68! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThanks you a lot for your help! It's always nice to have the team to support the blue! See you!

dahdah
04-05-2004, 03:23 PM
As JorBR said, tweek you js settings.

Every a/c should have its js settings tweeked. When you change a/c, the settings you have may not be the best for the new a/c.(record them so that you can reset with an a/c change)

For the Fw family of a/c, I had them set so I have to pull a really hard manueover(ie. dumb) to get a flight departure. This helps with aiming as the twitchyness is removed. As you get more proficient in the Fw, you can increase the sensitivety some, but not so far that aiming becomes difficult.

CRSutton
04-05-2004, 03:35 PM
Wait! What type of joystick are you using. I just replaced my Logitech Wingman FF with a new Saitek Evo. All this time I though the FW190 was an unflyable pig. I just could not control it. Turns out my joystick was a pig. Now the FW190 flys like a dream. That would be my first guess. Get a decent joystick. If you got a decent one, check the axis settings. That may be your problem.

Actually, all of the planes in FB are flying like a dream. I can actually shoot straight now.

GK.
04-05-2004, 04:25 PM
eric brown was probably mistaken and his account, a bogus one.

Mad_Cat_1
04-06-2004, 01:57 PM
Just one reason. The cockpit view which Oleg refuses to fix. He much be the type of guy who will never admit he is wrong. Not that he is wrong often though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif