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GreyFox5
11-08-2006, 08:28 PM
Looking to replace my old monitor with a LCD.

If your using an LCD, could you give me some tips?

1. What size is your LCD Monitor?
2. Who makes the monitor and what model is it?
3. What video card are you using?

Please tell me your gaming experience with this monitor.

I appreciate your input thanks!

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Heavy_Metal1982
11-08-2006, 08:40 PM
You can't go wrong with Samsung, I've had mine for about 3 years and I love it! It's only 17" but I wouldn't go any bigger than 19". I know when I get my next LCD it will be another Samsung.

papotex
11-08-2006, 09:21 PM
if you want to hit the bulls eye when you purchase your new monitor, look in the consumer reports

and find out wich of the models score higher in quality of picture and construction,warranties and so forth...

i have done that before buying printers, cam corders and other things and ended up buying the best of the best.

in some cases when you see monitors in a store sitting side by side, they can have the same price tag but one scored way lower in quality than the other.

also, in consumer reports you can look up monitors by size or wide screen or not. you could end up buying a wide screen 19" instead of a 19" squared monitor and the result could just put a biger smile on your face

Udidtoo
11-08-2006, 09:36 PM
19" Samsung SyncMaster 930BF
Radeon 1900 XTX

Coming from a Sony 19" HMD CRT I was concerned that I wouldn't have the same image quality. I needn't have worried. Il-2 looks incredible as do movies.

I also had the added bonus of loosing a great deal of unwanted heat build up. I play in a SW facing room in the Az desert and that Sony could almost bake cookies after a 3 or 4 hour flying session.

For gaming you really don't want anything with MS response greater than 8 and really 6 should be your upper limit unless your very forgiving. 4 & 2 are usually sought for serious gaming.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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slo_1_2_3
11-08-2006, 09:44 PM
I have a 17 inch lcd sony moniter um i have a raidon 9200 video card ( http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif) and I guess it works ok<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Ernst_Rohr
11-08-2006, 10:42 PM
I run a Samsung 930B and have been very happy with it.

The things to watch for on LCD's are the refresh rate in milliseconds, usually marked as MS, the lower the number, the better, 8MS is pretty much the standard for most gaming LCD's.

Contrast ratio is the next biggie, the bigger the aspect the better so 700:1 is good, 1000:1 rocks, 300:1 is garbage.

Samsung makes several really good gaming LCD's and Dell actually has some good ones as well. 19" is pretty decent, and reasonably well priced, though some of the big Dell's can go on special and you can get some very good deals on their Outlet site as well.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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FritzGryphon
11-08-2006, 11:39 PM
Samsung 9200N and 7600GT

I don't know the specs for it, but I was impressed by the quality when I got it, for a reasonable price. I was expecting it to be ghosty and washed out, given what I'd heard about LCDs, but it looks very vivid and sharp.

I'd prefer it over a CRT if it wasn't for the resolution limitation. 1280x1024 is fine for games, but I would like higher for graphics apps.

majnos64
11-09-2006, 12:37 AM
I got Philips 190B 19" I would like to have bigger but no money for that kind of fun http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif and 6600GT. LCD has one disadvantage fast moves of head in cockpit do motion blur of black dot(plane) using blue sky as a background. If background is green or blue, like earth, no problem about it. It has clear, bright very good looking image quality definetly better than many CRTs. However you have to use native resolution 1280x1024 and it must be set in *.ini file manually.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Worf101
11-09-2006, 08:44 AM
Glad to answer... I hope...

Dell 2005 FPW 21 inch Wide Screen.
ATI X850 XT AGP Vid Card.

Looks and plays great.

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triad773
11-09-2006, 08:53 AM
19 inch Planar PL 1910M

Decent refresh rate, decent colour. But if you work with Photoshop much with colour-critical projects, best to stick with a good CRT in my experience.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Don_Karnage
11-09-2006, 09:37 AM
LCD's are terrible for gaming. As a professional web and graphic designer I have a lot of experience with both. No matter how good the LCD, LCD technology is highly limited in resolution, maximum colors, and viewing angles, period.

Will have ghosting problems as well typically.

CRTs are the way to go for gaming and design. nothing is as good as a well-made CRT monitor.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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GreyFox5
11-09-2006, 10:03 AM
I work in the computer industry and for work LCDs are great but I have concerns when it comes to running games on them.

#1 your limited to the native resolution of the LCD.

#2 will the LCD refresh well enough when your ground pounding with a Bf-110G2 with the R3M1 option (2xMk 108+2xMG 151/20) the flash from the guns may studder the picture and look like lag then next thing you know your part of that crater in the ground. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

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GreyFox5
11-09-2006, 10:10 AM
By the way if your setting up 2 PCs with one keyboard, mouse, and monitor I???ve been testing out DVI switchboxes and I have found a low cost solution. It features DVI Video up to 1920X1200 resolution with Sound/Mic connections and USB keyboard and mouse ??? also has a 2port USB Hub built in.

There is also a 4port version for $167.73 at www.provantage.com (http://www.provantage.com)

I tested the switchbox from Provantage for $120.33 for the unit and the cables were $15.27/cable set

Part Number # 2SVDVI10-001
http://www.provantage.com/avocent-2svdvi10-001~7AVOC09C.htm (http://www.provantage.com/avocent-2svdvi10-001%7E7AVOC09C.htm)

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slappedsilly
11-09-2006, 10:25 AM
I changed from a crt to lcd just about 9 months ago. I'm using a 19" LG with at 4ms and a 7800gt. I am very impressed with the picture quality (you must go with its native res to get the best image). I won't be going back to a crt, ever.

Chuck_Older
11-09-2006, 10:31 AM
I have a 17" NEC LCD, I love it

I have heard so much of the "LCDs are terrible for gaming" replies over the past few years, and I don't understand at all. My CRT had a horrible picture compared to my LCD, and I never, ever get eyestrain with my LCD

In fact, when I say this LCD for the first time, I was stunned- it was on my Dad's PC, the exact same one that I have, and he had the same wallpaper on his desktop at the same resolution- 1024x768-, which I prefer for almost everything, especially when I do non-gaming work on my PC, or I am working with skin files and mission files for this sim. Flat out- EVERYthing looks better on this LCD to me compared to CRT. Everything. Maybe it's personal preference but I'll never get another CRT unless some huge breakthrough is made<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Jarza_Death_Man
11-09-2006, 10:37 AM
I have Dell 2405 24" and no comblains what so ewer. 2X7900GTX handels the craphics.

Don_Karnage
11-09-2006, 11:03 AM
1) LCD's run in a native resolution and changing out of this res to another (higher or lower) will always degrade its quality.

2) LCD's cant handle more than 60-75 FPS. CRTs are far superior for FPS.

3) LCD's display FAR less colors. It's a limit of the technology. CRTs will always have better color capability. a gamer playing on a CRT in dimly lit game environment (dark warehouse for example) will always have an advantage over an LCD gamer because the CRT will have far richer color depth.

4) You have to view the LCD at the right angle, otherwise the colors don't show right.

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Don_Karnage
11-09-2006, 11:06 AM
Check this link:
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10166_7-6262853-1.html



I can't tell you that LCDs are as good as they're going to get. But right now, for most uses, LCDs are where it's at. Unless you're a hard-core gamer or a serious graphic artist who needs precise color, go for an LCD. You'll have more space on your desk and a sleeker-looking workstation. <div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
11-09-2006, 11:24 AM
2X 19" Hyundai L90D+ here.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WOLFMondo
11-09-2006, 11:32 AM
Originally posted by Don_Karnage:


2) LCD's cant handle more than 60-75 FPS. CRTs are far superior for FPS.




Not that you can tell what 70 FPS looks like. ITs not noticable at all.


Originally posted by Don_Karnage:
a gamer playing on a CRT in dimly lit game environment (dark warehouse for example) will always have an advantage over an LCD gamer because the CRT will have far richer color depth.

Depends on the TFT. Buy a good one and its just as good as a CRT in both colour and in a dim environment.

Originally posted by Don_Karnage:
4) You have to view the LCD at the right angle, otherwise the colors don't show right.

This was the case YEARS ago or with a poor TFT. Most good TFT's have a very good view angle. Even bad ones have 135 degrees or more.


Originally posted by Don_Karnage:
5) LCDs get dead pixels

Again, in the past this was common, but not in the last couple of years is this common place and most companies immediately replace them. Personally I've never seen a TFT/LCD since about 5 years ago come with a dead pixel.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

Capt Eric Brown says: "I found in general the default joystick settings tended to be oversensitive. With my recommended settings it will give people a real feeling of how they actually flew."

Tator_Totts
11-09-2006, 11:41 AM
Samsung 20 inch. 204b model. I had a 19 incg crt. Man the difference is night and day. My old crt must have been washed out because now colors (colour for European crowd) are so much more vivid. And **** now I can see the fricken dots. Ohh the humanity I can see dots. I went with native 1600 1200 to play with my games.
Sad you have to dumb down in Il2 to see dots.

major_setback
11-09-2006, 11:42 AM
The picture on mine is pretty good now, but I needed to tweak the gamma settings in my graphics driver settings (nVidea). I was against LCD for ages, and I must say that a static picture looks good, BUT the aircraft in the game become blurred when they move fast compared to my CRT. If I move the plane around too much (yawing) the picture also blurs. The screen has a very fast refresh rate so I wasn't expecting this at all. It is the most disappointing aspect of the screen, otherwise colours are good and the excessive contast CAN be fixed to a large extent if you have a graphics card that allows for it (screen adjustment is too crude too get a good picture, just brightness and contrast, no decent gamma adjustment). The Nvidea driver for my card allows for variable gamma settings (curves), and various profiles can be saved. [gamma adjustment alters the relative brightness of the picure, ex. you can brighten the darker areas only)

You do get used to blurred movement of aircraft, it's just a shame they look this way. CRT is a lot better. Am I the only one to see/notice this?

The screen is a Flatron L1950B, 8ms refresh rate.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Don_Karnage
11-09-2006, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by major_setback:
The picture on mine is pretty good now, but I needed to tweak the gamma settings in my graphics driver settings (nVidea). I was against LCD for ages, and I must say that a static picture looks good, BUT the aircraft in the game become blurred when they move fast compared to my CRT. If I move the plane around too much (yawing) the picture also blurs. The screen has a very fast refresh rate so I wasn't expecting this at all. It is the most disappointing aspect of the screen, otherwise colours are good and the excessive contast CAN be fixed to a large extent if you have a graphics card that allows for it (screen adjustment is too crude too get a good picture, just brightness and contrast, no gamma adjustment).

You do get used to blurred movement of aircraft, it's just a shame they look this way. CRT is a lot better. Am I the only one to see/notice this?

The screen is a Flatron L1950B, 8ms refresh rate.


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BrotherVoodoo
11-09-2006, 11:52 AM
32" Hisense LCD-TV with 8ms refresh rate. I got this at Tigerdirect for about 800$ I love it. It is big enough I feel like I am in the cockpit. My vid card is a 7800GTX Nvidia. I am very happy with both products.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Willey
11-09-2006, 12:46 PM
Check this link: http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/monitore.html http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Most important thing: Do NOT buy a TN panel. Those have ultra low response times like 2ms, but bad colors and very limited view angles. Go for MVA/PVA instead.

And, do yourself a favor, choose 4:3. FB has some issues with non-4:3 resolutions which aren't officially supported.

So, a 20" 1600x1200 panel would be quite a good choice.

Always have in mind that later your rig might not be able to render high res such as 1920x1600 fluidly anymore in newer games... that's the major culprit of LCDs - lower resolution means either smaller image or interpolated pixels, which does look ugly.

WWSensei
11-09-2006, 01:13 PM
I have a Dell 20.1 inch widescreen,

Program professionally and do video editing as a hobby.

Contrary to Karnage's rant about LCD's I will not go back to CRTs. I run my CRT off the second port on my card and I notice zero difference in the quality from resolutions from 1024x768 up to 1680x1080. A cheap LCD might look bad but then again so does a cheap CRT.

The ease on my eyes from not having to worry about refresh rate (since LCDs and CRT's refreash differently you can't really compare the two) and I've switched all 7 of my work computers to LCD.

Also contrary to Karnage's assertion my experience in gaming on the LCD has been a great one and I disagree 180 degrees with his assessment that "it sucks". Quite the contrary as I get no ghosting or blurring, get sharp, crisp colors, and don't suffer from flickering of the CRT.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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11-09-2006, 01:16 PM
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Don_Karnage
11-09-2006, 01:27 PM
Also, I play using edimensional 3d goggles that only work with CRT monitors. It's also a fact that LCD technology displays far fewer colors than CRT. As a graphic designer I need precise color reproduction. LCD's cant offer me that.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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WWSensei
11-09-2006, 02:05 PM
You are using edimensional 3d goggles and complaining about LCD refresh rates? Heh, all is explained. You should read the specs on your goggles and see what they are doing to your image quality...<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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DrHerb
11-09-2006, 04:23 PM
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11-09-2006, 04:39 PM
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GreyFox5
11-09-2006, 04:51 PM
Thanks for all the responses! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Been wanting to get my 110Lbs CRT off my desk for a while now and really find that a majority of LCD monitors would do fine running FB+AEP+PF just fine. My wingman DxyFlyr just bought a Dell LCD and I think those are re-branded Planar screens so I'll look further there.

Guess my concern is that when BoB hits the market the video will require a better monitor. Guess I'll cross that bridge when I cross it.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Swivet
11-09-2006, 04:59 PM
Yep
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-HH- Beebop
11-09-2006, 05:56 PM
19" Viewsonic 902b/8ms response time/Radeon 9800XT

No issues here. Looks better than my old NEC 19" flatscreen. No blurring either.

RESPONSE TIMES:
The key to response times is what the are responding to. 2ms looks good but if it's light grey>dark grey it means nothing. Look for at least 8 ms black>white. If it can manage that you should have no real ghosting/blurring problems.

RESOLUTIONS:
True, for best performance you will be limited to the native resolution but it can be over ridden. My screen is 1280 X 1024 and the game looks mahvelous! I do have bars top and bottom but it's a small price to pay (IMO) for the beautiful views.

DEAD PIXELS:
Most reputable manufactuers have a "dead pixel policy". Be careful though, some require eight or more dead pixels within a specific area. In other words, 8 dead pixels scattered around the screen doesn't count. Some will replace if there's even one dead pixel. When I got mine the store said that if there were any dead pixels within 3 years to bring it back and they would replace it free. (Be sure to save EVERYTHING, box included, in as good a condition as possilbe or they may deny you the return).

If possible see if you can get the store to show you the screen with a fast moving game (flight sim/racing sim) or a movie with lots of action shots. If it's not blurry to you then it might be the right one. Also compare the quality of image from one LCD to another. Most stores show the same pic/movie. What you see is most likely what you'll get.

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JadehawkII
11-09-2006, 06:20 PM
I replaced my CRT with a LCD and will never go back. As a professional Illustrator for 27 years, I can tell you you will not be dissapointed IF you pick the correct LCD. Keep in mind they are only getting better, not worse.
Also, it was failed to mention that ALL Crt screens start to lose image quality, clarity due to one common thing with CRT pixtals, they wear out over time and start to get fuzzy. Display colors start to wash out as well. Another thing, CRT emit very low radiation emmisions which SOME ( I repeate some believe) presents a long term health hadzard. Finally, I do not have as much headaches as I used too as the LCD screens are so much more easier on the eyes which a CRT screen will never acheive.
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TooCooL34
11-09-2006, 06:41 PM
Don't listen to CRT fanboys.
They're usaually vocal but don't face reality and facts.
CRT market is practically DEAD and all newly-made CRT is inferior compared to their best days and current LCD tech is very satisfying for most of gamers.

I'm using CHIMEI 938D wide 19" LCD with 4ms response time.
I want to go bigger but actual response time is a bit slow than I expect.
Wide screen doesn't give you any advantage in IL-2 but immersion is so good that you can't go back to typical 5:4 or 4:3 ratio.

Res 1440 * 900 with average 70 fps in WC server.(7600GT with vertical sync off)

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TgD Thunderbolt56
11-09-2006, 07:42 PM
20.1" Samsung 204b here as well (with a 6800 Ultra VC). It's got 800:1 contrast ratio, 5ms response time, is a true TFT monitor with a native res of 1600x1200. A year from now gaming at 1600x1200 will be the norm. But for now, only the stoutest of rigs can run smoothly at such a res with eye candy turned up. Believe me, 1600x1200 is no "strike" against a monitor...it's plenty for all but the most demanding photo-editing and will be for some time to come.

Secondly, (as WWSensei alluded to) if you're limited to a refresh rate of 60...so what? If you're running 1600x1200, 8xAA, 16xAF, High Quality and pegging at 60 fps, you'll be tickled at the results...for a long time to come.

IMO, the only negative of this monitor is that it's not a widescreen. Obviously PFm isn't "best-viewed" on (or at least doesn't natively support) widescreen monitors which is undoubtedly the future of watching any type of video image or game, but I can highly recommend this monitor for great IQ and performance.

edit: I scale my resolution to 1280x960 with 4xAA, 4xAF and this sim runs smooth as butter. I'm keeping this monitor for my conroe rig that I'm assembling as I write this and intend to run it 1600x1200 8x, 16x...we'll see.


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bluedragon1950
11-09-2006, 07:48 PM
I purchased a Olevia 32" LCD about four months ago
and wouldn't go back to play FB on 19" monitor (I had a LG 19" LCD). The game worked perfectly on this 32" LCD. It's like you're watching PEARL HABOR when you play the game. See following tread for more info:

http://forums.<b style="color:black;background-color:#a0ffff">ubi[/b].com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/664...641066544#6641066544 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/6641066544?r=6641066544#6641066544)

WereSnowleopard
11-09-2006, 10:16 PM
As bigger LCD as you want one as it will fall harder if accident tip it over. Better get huge footprint area to hold it up stable well. Or clamp it down well.