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attila1967
01-05-2008, 12:35 PM
Hi, I just got this game and would like a recommendation for a joystick. I never bought one before so I don't know jack. Anybody?

Sun_Ra
01-05-2008, 12:45 PM
Warm up your credit card. CH products fighterstick and Pro Throttle, and their rudder petals and your good to go. Pay more one time instead of numerous cheaper offerings.

Urufu_Shinjiro
01-05-2008, 12:59 PM
Or if you're still not sure you're into this stuff enough to drop that kinda green, check this out: http://saitekusa.stores.yahoo.net/recprod.html
The Aviator, the cyborg evo or the cyborg evo force are all great sticks to start on. The saitek reconditioned products are great, never had or heard of anyone getting a bad product from their reconditioned store.

VMF-214_HaVoK
01-05-2008, 01:35 PM
CH Products.

Xiolablu3
01-05-2008, 01:37 PM
Depends on how much you want to spend..

Being the cheapskate I am, I got myself a boxed, mint, Microsoft Force Feedback Pro from Ebay for 4.99.

Very nice stick, the only problem for some people may be that its a gameport joystick.

I use a soundblaster live! as a gameport (with all the sound features turned off) It was only 3 off ebay. USB>Gameport adaptors will not work when force feedback is involved so beware, you MUST have a proper old style gameport or use an old soundcard plugged into a PCI slot.(you can have a better, more modern soundcard for your sound too, you need not use the SB Live! for Audio too)

I am sure there are much easier methods around if you spend the money, but for under 10, the MS FF Pro is a beautiful, meaty stick which can be bought for very little cash :


http://www.businessweek.com/1997/50/art50/bw5045.jpg

Feels/Looks even better than the FFB2 IMO (Its much bigger and heavier), but I can comment if the ForceFeedback is worse or not, I have never used a MS FFB2 in a game.

Does anyone who has used both, know if the Force Feedback is any better on the FFB2 to the FF Pro? Or is it the same?

attila1967
01-05-2008, 02:30 PM
Well this is the only game I'll need a joystick for. I was told to make sure it has rudder pedals. What kind of US dollars am I looking at here?

BrotherVoodoo
01-05-2008, 04:25 PM
Warm up your credit card. CH products fighterstick and Pro Throttle, and their rudder petals and your good to go. Pay more one time instead of numerous cheaper offerings.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/agreepost.gif CH Products will last for many years, others 6 month to a year in my experience. I have used Cougar, Saitek, Microsoft, and Logitech in the past.

attila1967
01-05-2008, 04:46 PM
Okay, can you give me a model number for a CH joystick good for IL2?

ZappaTime
01-05-2008, 05:13 PM
Saitek Cyborg Evo Force is a great stick for the money, great adjustability and great FF effects, incorporates rudder control (via twist on main stick vertical axis) and separate throttle control.
Looks good too http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

FoolTrottel
01-05-2008, 06:38 PM
http://www.chproducts.com/retail/index.html

Bearcat99
01-05-2008, 06:39 PM
I recommend that you go to that Saitek reconditioned site and get a reconditioned X-52... For what yuou can get at the Saitek site for $70 you will pay $160 for the CH.. If you do decide to go with CH then get them here (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm) not the CH site.. Great prices.. good service.

CH products are great products... but you might want to make sure that this is for you before ou go and drop a few hundred bucks.. Hence my suggestion about the reconned X-52.. or even X-52 Pro.. for the price it is a good stick and it is versatile enough for you to get the mostout of the sim. If you do go with CH get the Combat stick or the Fighterstick NOT the Flightstick... eventually if you stay in the sim you will want rudder pedals as well.. Hit the Nugget's Guide in my sig for more info.

BrotherVoodoo
01-06-2008, 07:30 AM
I can fully reccomend the CH Fighterstick. The CH Rudder pedals are also higly reccomended. These products will LAST... The provatange link BC provided will save you some coin.

http://www.chproducts.com/retail/joysticks.html

http://www.provantage.com/ch~110CHPU.htm (http://www.provantage.com/ch%7E110CHPU.htm)

x6BL_Brando
01-06-2008, 07:35 AM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
I can fully reccomend the CH Fighterstick. The CH Rudder pedals are also higly reccomended. These products will LAST... The provatange link BC provided will save you some coin.http://www.chproducts.com/retail/joysticks.html

+1

Use the CH software & you can have dozens of commands @ your fingertips


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na85
01-06-2008, 11:47 AM
The X-52 is a poorly designed stick.

I used one recently, and since I don't have rudder pedals, I tried to use the twist-handle axis for rudder.

Unfortunately, Saitek decided that suction cups would work better than grippy rubber feet. They missed the boat on that one. On my desk if I deflect the rudder, the base of the stick slides around on the desk, so I can't use the rudder!

Lots of flashy buttons, but not very comfortable.

Ratsack
01-06-2008, 12:14 PM
What are the thoughts on the Saitek Evo Force?

cheers,
Ratsack

Bearcat99
01-06-2008, 12:19 PM
Basically it all boils down to taste and what you want in a stick.. I know guys who swear by their X-52s... heck I even know guys who swear by their Logitecs.. and Cougars... but from my experience Saitek products are decent for the price.... and unless you will be using it from here on out... I would just get something adequate that I could learn the sim with... and grow a little..but he thats me.

Maico_249th
01-06-2008, 12:30 PM
First off, let me say that real men bolt thier controllers in place (ok I use doublesided tape)
I started out with a... dare I say it... Logitech cheapie stick. It was good enough untill I knew I needed better. I use now a combo of MS FF2 and X52. Microsoft Force Feedback 2 is the best stick BAR NONE. My FighterStick, Saitek Evo Force and others sit in the closet.

Go to ebay and get you a stick man.

tagTaken2
01-06-2008, 08:51 PM
Originally posted by Xiolablu3:
Feels/Looks even better than the FFB2 IMO (Its much bigger and heavier), but I can comment if the ForceFeedback is worse or not, I have never used a MS FFB2 in a game.

Does anyone who has used both, know if the Force Feedback is any better on the FFB2 to the FF Pro? Or is it the same?

I own both. The MSFFB2 has a better, smoother and more accurate feel and movement (to me, anyway), partly due to the base not having a rubber bag around it, and less of a 'jointed' feel to the axes. It's good enough that I've never had to fiddle with the joystick settings under conf.ini- even the defaults feel great.
But I think I like the feedback effects from the gameport Pro better. In addition, I play a couple of older sims where the MSFFB2 gives horrible effects/no effects, but the Pro is sweet.
Think it comes down to individual taste.

TgD Thunderbolt56
01-07-2008, 06:45 AM
CH Fighterstick and CH Pro Pedals. They'll cost you about $200 total and will accommodate anything you'll need. You can always add a CH Pro throttle later on, but for prop sims these two will suffice.


TB

Schwarz.13
01-07-2008, 07:00 AM
If you can't get a much sought-after Microsoft Sidewinder 2 (I have the non-FFB version and i love it) then i would say CH Fighterstick as Thunderbolt says or the CH Combat stick - it has less buttons but is cheaper and has trim wheels too http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CloCloZ
01-07-2008, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by Ratsack:
What are the thoughts on the Saitek Evo Force?

cheers,
Ratsack

I own an Evo Force and I'll give you my opinion but please keep in mind I've little experience in the game and Saitek Evo Force is the only joystick I've used in IL-2.

I like the joystick and I think that FF effects add much "realism" and fun to the game.

However, FF has pros and cons:
pros: fun, more realism and some help in flying (you are warned by shakes when your plane is about to stall, you feel when undercarriage wheels contact/decontact the ground).
cons: feedback when firing makes aiming more difficult.

Moreover, I'm not sure if Evo Force is precise enough to be considered a really good joystick for this game.
Sometimes my feeling is that it isn't, but I've still a lot to learn so I'm pretty sure many difficulties I have are not joystick's fault.

All in all, considering the fun, the moderate price and the fact is an all-in-one device (incorporating a smooth throttle control, good enough rudder control and a lots of programmable buttons) I think is a very good joystick for a beginner/intermediate, probably not so good for an expert.

dirkpit7
01-07-2008, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by na85:
The X-52 is a poorly designed stick.

I used one recently, and since I don't have rudder pedals, I tried to use the twist-handle axis for rudder.

Unfortunately, Saitek decided that suction cups would work better than grippy rubber feet. They missed the boat on that one. On my desk if I deflect the rudder, the base of the stick slides around on the desk, so I can't use the rudder!

Lots of flashy buttons, but not very comfortable.

I agree that the rudder is a little too stiff (I use X52 Pro), and the suction cubs don't work well, actually I tried them but dropped them soon. But otherwise I have liked the stick very much and find the design good.

For the original question: I'd not recommend buying an expensive product (like CH) for your first joystick, but some cheaper for the start(Saitek has many for lower price, as does Logitech) , unless you're very sure that you like this game and genre so much that it's worth investing all the money for it.

BrotherVoodoo
01-07-2008, 09:08 AM
Moreover, I'm not sure if Evo Force is precise enough to be considered a really good joystick for this game.
Sometimes my feeling is that it isn't, but I've still a lot to learn so I'm pretty sure many difficulties I have are not joystick's fault.

I also have a EVO Force in my closet for the same reason. It just was not precise enough for my taste.

Schwarz.13
01-07-2008, 09:26 AM
Originally posted by BrotherVoodoo:
I also have a EVO Force in my closet for the same reason. It just was not precise enough for my taste.

I have one in my closet too - a Saitek Evo Force, not a skeleton (although i might have a few of those).

While the FFB added an extra dimension to immersion i found the stick uncomfortable, it didn't centre properly and when i would start up IL2 it would be at full-right rudder. On top of these things it would generate incredible heat and when you die (virtually) it starts jumping noisily all over the place.

Why i ever put my M$ Sidewinder 2 away i'll never know http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

attila1967
01-08-2008, 04:53 PM
Can I play the game with just the CH Fighterstick and get the rudder pedals later?

Schwarz.13
01-09-2008, 03:42 AM
Originally posted by attila1967:
Can I play the game with just the CH Fighterstick and get the rudder pedals later?

You could, but it wouldn't be practical or a good way to learn as you would have to assign buttons on your keyboard or stick to control rudder.

The CH sticks are not 'twist' sticks - they do not have a twist movement on the stick (an analogue input as opposed to a digital [like a button]) which allows you to control the rudder to varying degrees.

My advice would be to buy a twist-stick or if you're going to get a CH stick then buy some pedals too - it all depends on how serious you are about the game and how much money you want to spend http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

attila1967
01-09-2008, 01:09 PM
Can you buy the CH sticks and rudder pedals as a set?