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JU88
11-15-2006, 01:53 AM
We all know about Monsun boats but was that as far as Germanys pacific operations went in the Pacific/south china sea?

I would like to know if they sent any other ships or aircraft in to the area and if so what types and where they patrolled / attacked?

I would like to start preparing some German Units in max for SH4, Shouldnt be to difficult to Import the IXD2 and maybe IXC models from SH3 in to SH4, but only if the devs script AI for submarines - otherwise there is very little point in doing this, other than being able to sink a docked Uboat.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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JU88
11-15-2006, 01:53 AM
We all know about Monsun boats but was that as far as Germanys pacific operations went in the Pacific/south china sea?

I would like to know if they sent any other ships or aircraft in to the area and if so what types and where they patrolled / attacked?

I would like to start preparing some German Units in max for SH4, Shouldnt be to difficult to Import the IXD2 and maybe IXC models from SH3 in to SH4, but only if the devs script AI for submarines - otherwise there is very little point in doing this, other than being able to sink a docked Uboat.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y254/junkers88/sig-1.jpg

A 'must have' feature
Fully operational AI subs are as important as AI ships and planes -They were there-. Please dont repeat SH3's biggest Short coming in SHIV.
Thank you

Bootsmann0815
11-15-2006, 02:46 AM
ONE boat, the IXD2 U-862 (Heinrich Timm), made ONE patrol to the South Pacific in Oct/Nov 44 and achieved ONE hit, sinking the Liberty ship "Robert J. Walker" about 160m NE of Sydney. THAT'S IT.
All other operations from Penang and Jakarta were to the IO.

However, there was some merchant traffic, the so-called "Kautschuk-Dampfer": ships surprised by the breaking-out of the war and then individually trying to make their way back to Germany with valuable raw materials, often after lengthy spells in Japan or ports of Japanese-occupied territory. Between Jan 41 and May 42, 16 such ships attempted this, of whom 12 got through (to France), and from June 42 on, 15 more attempted the run, of whom only 4 got through (and 4 others surviverd by turning back).
One which almost made it was the "Spreewald", which had almost reached the entrance to the Bay of Biscay (Grid Square BE 7114) when it was accidentially torpedoed and sunk by U-333 (Cremer) who mis-identified her as an English merchant. N.B. His courts-martial found him "not guilty" because the "Spreewald" hadn't followed pre-arranged approach routes and radio procedures, and was indeed playing "English vessel" - even radioed an SOS call in English, calling herself "Brittany".
Again, THAT's IT on the merchant side, as far as I know.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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baggygreen
11-15-2006, 05:16 AM
I think Bootsman's right, Timms was the only man I'm aware of who went around the pacific as well - i believe he may even have shelled New Zealand?

There were many more ships believed to have been sent to the Pacific, such as the Kormoran (i think?) but never actually made it.

hueywolf123
11-15-2006, 05:26 AM
There was a rumour flying about regarding a U-boat that went as far as the North west coast of Tasmania, could have been the moonshine they were brewing there that caused the sighting, and where would they refuel?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

http://www.geocities.com/uboat_flotilla_52/U-99Sig.jpg (http://www.geocities.com/uboat_flotilla_52)
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hueywolf123
11-15-2006, 07:51 AM
Heres one I found,
http://www.uboat.net/boats/u195.htm
Maybe AI boats should be in ths game, would be great to choose sides, however I do realise the sensitivities that still surround WWII. In Australia, the conflict with the Japanese still has some very big open wounds.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l239/Huey_Wolf/u441-log.jpg
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Mittelwaechter
11-15-2006, 08:30 AM
German auxillary cruiser "Pinguin"

Some minelaying operations near australian coast in fall '40.
Sunk by british heavy cruiser "Cornwall" near Seychelles 05/08/41.

German auxillary cruiser "Orion"

Minelying operation 06/13/40 near New Zealand coast (Auckland)
10/18/40 meeting with AC "Komet" and supplyship "Kulmerland" - cruiser war until end of the year.
"Orion" repaired in Lamutrec/Maug Atoll until 02/06/41 - then continued cruiser war in southern seas and indian ocean.
After 511 days and 127.337 sm she reached Royan/France

German auxillary cruiser "Komet"

Sailed via northcape (russian help) into pacific ocean - meets "Pinguin" and "Orion" - sails back to germany through channel. On second journey british PT Boat sinks her with Torpedo.

German auxillary cruiser "Kormoran"

Cruiser war in indian ocean - on 11/19/41 managed to close in to 1000 m on australian cruiser "Sydney" (outwit by flagsignals) and sunk it! Own damage made crew to sink own ship and surrender to the aussies.



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Bootsmann0815
11-15-2006, 11:57 AM
@Huey - that web site doesn't say whether U-195 made it into the Pacific before Steinfeldt handed it over to the Japanese. But possible operations along Australian West Coast (I'm not sure).
The Tasmanian sighting, if true, could only have been U862; I understand they circumnavigated Australia, passing through the gap between Australia and New Zealand. (I'm not absolutely certain but I think they stayed relatively close the Australian coast and not moving over to the other side of the Tasman Sea to do some shelling in NZ). At any rate a IXD2 would have had the reach to travel from Jakarta round Australia and back to Jakarta without refuelling. And the patrol length, just over six weeks, also seems to fit the bill.

@Mittelwaechter - http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif stupid me, plainly forgot about the aux cruisers; thank you very much for pointing that out.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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