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MinscTheHunter
09-25-2009, 04:55 AM
Just a small news update, please do not turn this thread into another discussion or flame war!

It was announced on twitter (http://twitter.com/Ubisoft/statuses/4339003186) that the PC version of the game was delayed until "first quarter 2010", but without a specific date. I know this date is still unconfirmed, but according to the page update on Play.com, the PC version is now expected on March 05, 2010.

Let's hope that gives them enough time to figure out how they want to deal with the piracy issue (http://www.n4g.com/News-380701.aspx) in the future.

However it turns out, I will not be waiting. They've lost me as potential buyer.

SBRedFlag
09-25-2009, 04:57 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/4091039197 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/4091039197)

search button please...

Vegara
09-25-2009, 05:00 AM
I just hope they would just cancel the delay. That's pretty much the only thing that keeps me visiting here... But yes, it is fools hope. Preorder and everything... Damn!

Xanatos2007
09-25-2009, 05:14 AM
Originally posted by Vegara:
I just hope they would just cancel the delay. That's pretty much the only thing that keeps me visiting here... But yes, it is fools hope. Preorder and everything... Damn!
You too, huh?

I don't see any reason for there to be a bug on the PC version, what platform do you think they use to develop videogames in the first place? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

As for piracy, it's still going to get pirated when it comes out, and for now hardcore pirates are just going to find ways to copy the console versions.

And what is Ubi planning for the PC edition anyway, what bonuses will be included? The PC version of AC1 was a letdown, 4 new investigation types didn't really add anything new to the experience. Lamest excuse for a delay ever. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Vegara
09-25-2009, 05:23 AM
I'm with you here xanatos. I can't understand why they had to delay the pc version for friggin 5 months ! It's like they've planned this all along, even they convinced the other.

MinscTheHunter
09-25-2009, 06:01 AM
Originally posted by sbredflag:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/foru...1069024/m/4091039197 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/4091039197)

search button please...

I saw that thread, and I saw that it got closed due to the flame wars going on there (see my first line!) What I did not find anywhere in that thread, is the new release date. As I thought people might be interested in that, I posted it here. If you're not... just move along

Firewaterearth
09-25-2009, 06:49 AM
They better include a whole lot of additional content to make up for almost HALF A YEAR more waiting.

KZarr
09-25-2009, 07:18 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I don't see any reason for there to be a bug on the PC version, what platform do you think they use to develop videogames in the first place? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif

Of course they used PC to develop. But then again 360's and PS3 are exactly the same as PC(PS3's can even be turned into PC's (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/how_to/4263321.html)). It's just that they have different OS and Firmware.

The problem with releasing it on PC is that there are millions of specifications and configurations possible which makes optimizing it and taking the bugs out a nightmare.

Firewaterearth
09-25-2009, 07:30 AM
Originally posted by KZarr:
The problem with releasing it on PC is that there are millions of specifications and configurations possible which makes optimizing it and taking the bugs out a nightmare.

Makes me woner why, not long ago, they announced that all 3 versions would come out the same day. They have already known back then that PC games might take longer.

vanbuskirks
09-25-2009, 08:09 AM
I didn't even get a chance to post in the original delayed thread due to the flame war. Though I am saddened by this delay I am not in the least bit surprised. PC always receives the short end of the stick even thought most PCs are much more powerful than their console counterparts. I agree that this is a dark time for PC gamers, which I attribute mostly to the 'ease' of playing games on a console. I seems a common theme that people do not want to take the time to figure out how and why something works, instead, they would rather just do and be ignorant of the world around them. I understand that Ubi is a business and they must make decisions to minimize profit loss, but like many people have said, I would have appreciated honesty in the first place. There's no way they didn't have this planned for a couple months seeing as they already have a new release date. For us honest PC users that want to enjoy the game on the highest of settings (I guarantee AC2 will look way better on my PC than any xbox or PS3) this delay is simply a slap in the face.

EDIT: P.S. In the meantime I will be enjoying Dragon Ages: Orgin. BioWare sticks to their schedule and has never put PC gamers on the back burner. Take notes UBI!

Grandmaster_Z
09-25-2009, 11:28 AM
"Notably, the original Assassin's Creed on the PC, which saw release nearly five months after the console editions, sparked a lawsuit in 2008. Ubisoft's claim stemmed from allegations that an employee at the company charged with reproducing Assassin's Creed's disc had leaked the game online a full six weeks before it was to be released at retail. Ubisoft claimed that the leaked edition of the game was downloaded more than 700,000 times, costing the publisher millions of dollars."

-Gamespot

Grevling148
09-25-2009, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
"Notably, the original Assassin's Creed on the PC, which saw release nearly five months after the console editions, sparked a lawsuit in 2008. Ubisoft's claim stemmed from allegations that an employee at the company charged with reproducing Assassin's Creed's disc had leaked the game online a full six weeks before it was to be released at retail. Ubisoft claimed that the leaked edition of the game was downloaded more than 700,000 times, costing the publisher millions of dollars."

-Gamespot I hope thy fired the bastard, and made sure he newer works for a game developer againhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Atkamon
09-25-2009, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
"Notably, the original Assassin's Creed on the PC, which saw release nearly five months after the console editions, sparked a lawsuit in 2008. Ubisoft's claim stemmed from allegations that an employee at the company charged with reproducing Assassin's Creed's disc had leaked the game online a full six weeks before it was to be released at retail. Ubisoft claimed that the leaked edition of the game was downloaded more than 700,000 times, costing the publisher millions of dollars."

-Gamespot

This "cost them millions of dollars" thing is so stupid. Not all 700000 people, who downloaded the game would have bought it if it came out. But it was there, it was free, why not get it... this is the most basic philosophy behind piracy...

caswallawn_2k7
09-25-2009, 12:36 PM
Of course they used PC to develop. But then again 360's and PS3 are exactly the same as PC(PS3's can even be turned into PC's). It's just that they have different OS and Firmware.
not true while the consoles do use some modified PC parts they run very differently to the PC as all the firmwares in the consoles for every piece of hardware is unique to that console and all the hardware is totally different to what's in a PC it isn't just a standard part.

also the fact nothing but a PC is used to make a game for a console is a very common myth, for every console there is a special dev version (these cost thousands of $ generally) these do connect to a PC for the code to be wrote but everything is done for the specific environment as a PC can never run what's on the console. (don't bring up emulators as these are generally poorly coded and need a hell of a lot more power than the original system)

that is before you take into account none of the consoles use a standard windows PC CPU (AMD or Intel) they all use the PowerPC chip or cell, making them have very different process management. (it was the powerpc chip that stops old mac's booting windows)

as for the PS3 being able to be turned into a PC it only works with one specific distribution of linux (if you want it actualy able to do much) and even then the graphics card and a lot of the cell's power is locked out from linux, this is before we take into account that the linux install has been removed with the PS3 slim.

Alex_HS
09-25-2009, 01:30 PM
The delay is too long, i think the game would sell well if it came out atleast this year while the hype is big, 5 months down the road ACII will be an old game, i dont think it will be able to compete will all the other games that were pushed to Q1 2010.

Its better to forget about it.

POPersiaT2T
09-25-2009, 11:46 PM
Now, the official release date also cannot be trusted. By the time, they can still delay the game even more longer if they want to do so.

the amolang
09-25-2009, 11:47 PM
i feel sorry for you guys, but I have to say that I am glad I am getting it for a console...

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 12:04 AM
Consoles are pretty cheap now, but it's still not worth it just to play ACII. More so because I don't want to buy a TV either. What are they actually planning for the PC edition? More gametypes? Extended story? Exclusive ACIII information? Or are they going to shorten the console versions and release the removed features in March 2010? Whatever it is it had better make up for being 5 months late to the party.

And what about ACIII? Are they going to release the PC version 5 months earlier or something? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 12:40 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Consoles are pretty cheap now, but it's still not worth it just to play ACII.

yeah, whats the point to buy a console merely for playing ACII ? I rather spend those money for upgrading my PC.

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 02:33 AM
I already did, and by the looks of things I will have to get a new OS for '10 to support ACII. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I already did, and by the looks of things I will have to get a new OS for '10 to support ACII. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

ACII is not going to support DX9?? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 03:25 AM
Not exactly sure, but with Windows 7 coming out and everything...

Atkamon
09-26-2009, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Not exactly sure, but with Windows 7 coming out and everything...

Windows 7 coming out doesnt mean ACII will not support anything else but Windows 7... The majority of people still use Windows XP, it's definitely gonna be supported.

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 03:50 AM
I was implying that Windows 7 might be the reason for the delay, since AC1 needed Windows Vista in order to support DX10. DX11 might require W7.

Captainblood88
09-26-2009, 05:11 AM
This is some F****** up BS... If they are worried about piracy.. The only solution is: SHUT DOWN THE INTERNET!.. No matter what kind of protection they use, there will always be someone who is going to break it... And about the quality.. wtf.. what about the PS3 and Xbox then.. They will lose alot of customers this way..
Anyway this is just my opinion, and I know I will get alot of angry responses, and this reply will probably be deleted... but this is my opinion

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 05:39 AM
its useless to add DRM to the game. even the game protection used by batman arkham asylum also been cracked.

Jobbigt42
09-26-2009, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I was implying that Windows 7 might be the reason for the delay, since AC1 needed Windows Vista in order to support DX10. DX11 might require W7. I don't think it's because of Windows 7, the delay is too big for that.

Hurri211
09-26-2009, 05:47 AM
What confuses me is why play.com is the only shop I have seen so far to have changed the release date to 2010. All others I've looked at have the pc edition still set to release 20th(or 17th) November. This would would really confuse/annoy people who dont know of the change of release date who want to preorder it.

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 05:52 AM
its obvious that the only reason that causes the delay is due to piracy. what i dont really understand is that if they worry so much about the piracy why they still want to release the game on the PC??

caswallawn_2k7
09-26-2009, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Not exactly sure, but with Windows 7 coming out and everything...
windows 7 isn't going to be as big as every1 thinks it will be, it will come out and the same will happen as has happened with every other OS you get the group of people who are very vocal and don't want to upgrade because of imaginary problems (hell when XP launched there was loads of stuff going round totally slating it)

the only difference with windows 7 is you have the very large chunk of people who got vista (it did actually sell well despite what some people would have you believe) who are asking why this wasn't just a service pack as it is only a minor change in the kernel (still using the kernel 6.x made for vista) and it's only had a couple of the more annoying features that it was very easy to disable removed for lazy people.

one of the XP service packs actually made a change this big to XP without marketing it as a new OS, so why this time they trying to con people into shelling out for another OS that is basically what it already on the shelves and on most PC's?

Vegara
09-26-2009, 07:31 AM
http://www.n4g.com/News-380701.aspx

so they lied us again

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 07:46 AM
Originally posted by Vegara:
http://www.n4g.com/News-380701.aspx

so they lied us again

Unfair. Just unfair.

caswallawn_2k7
09-26-2009, 08:21 AM
judging by how that site is ran any news on it is as reliable as the information on wikipedia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Captainblood88
09-26-2009, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by Vegara:
http://www.n4g.com/News-380701.aspx

so they lied us again

And what ever kind of protection they use, someone WILL break it.. So absolutly NO need for delay Ubisoft.. So plz Ubisoft be fair to ur customers

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by Captainblood88:


And what ever kind of protection they use, someone WILL break it.. So absolutly NO need for delay Ubisoft.. So plz Ubisoft be fair to ur customers

Agreed. Those who pirate will pirate the game anyway. Ubisoft should stop screwing their honest customers.

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 08:31 AM
Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Captainblood88:


And what ever kind of protection they use, someone WILL break it.. So absolutly NO need for delay Ubisoft.. So plz Ubisoft be fair to ur customers

Agreed. Those who pirate will pirate the game anyway. Ubisoft should stop screwing their honest customers. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed.

Jobbigt42
09-26-2009, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Captainblood88:
And what ever kind of protection they use, someone WILL break it.. So absolutly NO need for delay Ubisoft.. So plz Ubisoft be fair to ur customers I think they are delaying because they want to sell lots of copies for the consoles before someone breaks the protection on the PC version.

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 08:37 AM
If they delay the PC version by 5 months people are just going to start pirating the console versions. It can be done.

Danvish
09-26-2009, 08:46 AM
I don't suggest anyone to go piracy, but the new JESPER 360's has already been hacked.

The reason I think UBI has a made a wrong planning is that people already have a buying list for the first quarter of '10.

Me, i.e, has enough money to buy 2 games in 09, and 2 games in begining of 10. On 09, I planned on getting ACII and MW2. Now I'll just get Dragon Age and MW2, and I'll stick to my list of '10, and simply borrow/buy ACII from a friend, so UBI won't see my money.

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 08:48 AM
what if they end up by cancelling the PC version??

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
what if they end up by cancelling the PC version??

I think they would get an awful lot of very angry people that will never again buy a Ubisoft game.


I think they are delaying because they want to sell lots of copies for the consoles before someone breaks the protection on the PC version.

I've been to some eastern European countries and on some markets there I have seen pirated console games countless times. I assure you I never bought any, but piracy certainly exists for consoles too.

Jobbigt42
09-26-2009, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Danvish:
The reason I think UBI has a made a wrong planning is that people already have a buying list for the first quarter of '10.

Me, i.e, has enough money to buy 2 games in 09, and 2 games in begining of 10. On 09, I planned on getting ACII and MW2. Now I'll just get Dragon Age and MW2, and I'll stick to my list of '10, and simply borrow/buy ACII from a friend, so UBI won't see my money.
Exactly, it's very stupid of them to move it to q1 2010 because lots of other games are released then. Why not keep the release date near christmas?

Vegara
09-26-2009, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
what if they end up by cancelling the PC version??

I think they would get an awful lot of very angry people that will never again buy a Ubisoft game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Haven't they already?

I was wondering that is there any chance they could atleast send the preordered (in my case the black edition) copies on the original release date?

Danvish
09-26-2009, 09:04 AM
Many people talk and complain, but still many will buy ACII for PC.

And it's not just AC that will get hurt, people won't buy ANY product of Ubi, including SC, Far Cry, Call of Juarez and etc.

@Vagra : Not likely. You could use your game to rip and upload it to the Internet and therfore pirate it.

Vegara
09-26-2009, 09:38 AM
@Vagra : Not likely. You could use your game to rip and upload it to the Internet and therfore pirate it.

Oh yeah silly me. Well I guess there's not much hope for getting it in 2009 anymore.

caswallawn_2k7
09-26-2009, 09:38 AM
I've been to some eastern European countries and on some markets there I have seen pirated console games countless times. I assure you I never bought any, but piracy certainly exists for consoles too.
as it stands the PS3 has no way to play pirate games.

BTOG46
09-26-2009, 10:00 AM
Well this thread has gone the same way as the last one, and degenerated into a discussion about piracy with a dash of console bashing for seasoning.

If it doesn't change, it's going to suffer the same fate as the last thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by BTOG46:
Well this thread has gone the same way as the last one, and degenerated into a discussion about piracy with a dash of console bashing for seasoning.

If it doesn't change, it's going to suffer the same fate as the last thread. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Where exactly is the console bashing? I haven't seen any, only the notion that piracy is possible, at least for the 360.


To be on topic: Does anyone think the PC users will get some extra content for the extra waiting?

Vegara
09-26-2009, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
To be on topic: Does anyone think the PC users will get some extra content for the extra waiting?

I think they will add something but i doubt that it will be worth all the waiting.

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 10:25 AM
Yeah, they did the same with AC1. 4 new mission types didn't add anything more to the experience and it certainly didn't make up for making PC gamers "late to the party". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

BSoD
09-26-2009, 10:33 AM
What I don't understand is the reason for the 5 months wait. When the game is out, most AC 2 players (Which should encompass the majority of the buyers) for the console would have bought the game on the very day it was released. give it a month and the sale should have dropped significantly.

This is not a stand alone game. This is a sequel to AC I. Non-AC players would have to buy the original AC I and then AC 2. So the sales that encompass those players are not really significant.

I can understand why Ubisoft would want to delay the release of the game, but why must it be so long? after 2 months, almost all AC fan would have AC 2 sitting on the shelves and Non-AC players simply don't care. theoretically, the sales should drop to a minimal or zero. So why is there an additional 3 months waiting time?

Not only that, the opportunity cost of releasing the game later is that more people are going to not buy the game, adding to the fact that the pirates are still going to pirate the game, causing the sales to drop to a low point.

I am not bashing Ubisoft or flaming them. If the PC version is delayed till December, i don't mind. Early january, I don't mind. But 5 months? Till March? That's ridiculous.

EmperorxZurg
09-26-2009, 10:44 AM
actually, they made it stand alone, like each movie of the star wars or the Dark Knight and Batman Begins, each one stood on their own fine, but if you had watched, or in this case played, the one before you just understand it a bit better, AC2 will still be able to be a stand-alone game

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 10:46 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Yeah, they did the same with AC1. 4 new mission types didn't add anything more to the experience and it certainly didn't make up for making PC gamers "late to the party". http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

I hope it's not something as lame as this.


How about something 'real'? I mean posters or whatever. Or would you prefer in-game content?

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 10:55 AM
Unless they ship me dual hidden blades or an Animus I'd prefer in-game content. But it'd have to be a lot to make up for 5 months of waiting. Like... a LOT more added to the story or exclusive ACIII content.

P459
09-26-2009, 10:56 AM
I guess its time for me to get a 360.
Will be pretty darn hard to avoid spoilers for 5 months..
Been wanting to buy one for a very long time, but I had a regular Xbox and I just needed that last kick to go out and buy the 360.

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 11:01 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Unless they ship me dual hidden blades or an Animus I'd prefer in-game content. But it'd have to be a lot to make up for 5 months of waiting. Like... a LOT more added to the story or exclusive ACIII content.

I'd take the Animus, then. XD
Or a huge artbook, not like this 64-page conspiracy thingy, but a really big thing, I love artbooks. Other than that, in-game content really seems to be the fairest they could do. Some additional storyline would be great.

Xanatos2007
09-26-2009, 11:02 AM
@P459: But that's what they want you to do! There's a Piece of Eden chip inside every console, it's all a Templar conspiracy to rule the world! Why else do you think they're designed not to be opened & modified the same way a PC can? It's so their mind-control chips are harder to find! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

P459
09-26-2009, 11:07 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
@P459: But that's what they want you to do! There's a Piece of Eden chip inside every console, it's all a Templar conspiracy to rule the world! Why else do you think they're designed not to be opened & modified the same way a PC can? It's so their mind-control chips are harder to find! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Holy *beep*! Your right O_O.
Thats probably why they delayed the game for PC! Ubisoft is in fact a part of Abstergo! They want us to buy an Xbox so they can gain world domination!

Jobbigt42
09-26-2009, 11:07 AM
At least they should include all the DLC the console players are getting while we have to wait.

Hopefully we'll get a lot more than that, 5 months is a long time to wait.

Firewaterearth
09-26-2009, 11:08 AM
Originally posted by Jobbigt42:
At least they should include all the DLC the console players are getting while we have to wait.

Hopefully we'll get a lot more than that, 5 months is a long time to wait.

Yes, exclusive content for PC only, that would be fair.

vanbuskirks
09-26-2009, 12:33 PM
I have a 360 and a 42" HDTV, but my PC still kicks the crap out of the graphical output of the 360 so I am going to do my best to be honest to myself and wait for the PC game to be released, but I can tell you it is going to be hard to resist just getting for xbox. I hope my PC loyalty is worth it.

SBRedFlag
09-26-2009, 12:42 PM
I own a PS3, and was never planning to get it for PC, but I still am not happy about the delay... Many of my friends (not to mention the forum community) were planning on getting it for PC, some don't own other consoles...

I doubt we can sway Ubi at this point...
Hopefully you guys figure out a way to deal with it, either buying a console or retaining your patience even longer than the rest of us.

And if all else fails... it's just a videogame right? (Says the one who visits these forums every hour of the day in hopes of finding some new info)

caswallawn_2k7
09-26-2009, 12:46 PM
I would have much rather had the game for PC but by the time the PC version comes out there will probably be many more games I want to play more.

this is the only reason I am going for the PS3 version instead.

charlysotelo
09-26-2009, 02:22 PM
Hello fellow forum members and any UBI employees who might be reading.As a devout PC gamer, I was dissapointed to find out that the game was delayed for over 4 months as the other versions of the game.If perhaps the real and only reason for the delay is due to a great concern for a good anti-piracy system, what solutions might come about that might ultimately help in releasing the PC game sooner?

I have thought about the possibility of Ubi requiring an online program to activate the game (or perhaps download a missing part that wouldnt come with the retail version). For example, Steam could be used. I really do believe that if Ubi makes a deal with Valve in using Steam as program tied into the game, we would be able to get the game sooner. Such a system is used in Valve's own games( You need Steam to play Left 4 Dead, CS:Source, Team Fortress 2... etc). I would see this as a very pratical solution. No game completely avoids being pirated, its about how long the game stays unpirated where game companies make their money. Issues do exist when a company makes their anti-piracy sytem too extreme, such as the one used for EA's Spore and numerous other games.

Please Ubi, note that some of your customers are very loyal and even some of your employers are saddened by this (Furyo from the SPUF. Link below)*. I cannot wait to play this game, but I cannot afford to buy a console as I have already spent money on my rig (As im sure many PC gamers have). Some of your loyal customers feel betrayed and many have switched their pre-orders from AC2, to MW2 or L4D2. Im not switching mine any time soon. If nothing can be done, at least address your PC gaming community directly. Having your hopes crushed and beaten to the ground by two sentences while SOME console gamers taunt us is very demoralizing. Talk to us, Work with your customers.


Sincerely
A Saddened Soul.


* Furyo posting comments on the delay : http://forums.steampowered.com...wthread.php?t=973943

Jiruri702
09-26-2009, 03:39 PM
Since I read seperate news articles on this matter, I found one article in wich a employee of Ubisoft states there's only one reason for delaying the PC version, and that's piracy.
It seems PC-games are pirated too much, wich makes it necessary for companies to delay PCgames wich forces pirates to buy the console version. So here's my solution for the problem, I call out to everybody to pirate games for consoles as much as possible! Because if the games for consoles are pirated more, maybe they delay the console-versions in stead of the pc-versions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
They should forbid consoles anyway, moneysuckers. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Just like the DLC of Prince of Persia being only for consoles of "business reasons." I saw ubisoft describing this as "business reasons" too. Why can't they just tell everybody it's because of the piracy and they want to make more money from the more expensive console versions of the game. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

POPersiaT2T
09-26-2009, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by charlysotelo:
(or perhaps download a missing part that wouldnt come with the retail version).

I wont spend my money to buy a game which is imcomplete.

DeSabellis
09-26-2009, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by ThePrinceofme:
So here's my solution for the problem, I call out to everybody to pirate games for consoles as much as possible! Because if the games for consoles are pirated more, maybe they delay the console-versions in stead of the pc-versions http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


Nothing like advocating Federal Felonies http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

SBRedFlag
09-26-2009, 09:50 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
In the latest news item, Ubi said it was for quality issues, not piracy. I don't know how we keep getting on this topic.

But now that we're here, let me tell you something: to pirate a PC game, you copy the installation folder and distribute it, and the receivers can play it almost immediately.

To copy a 360 game, you must rip it from the dvd, distribute it, then the receiver must burn it to their own DVD, modify their 360, and then play it.

PS3 owners can't do squat.
Conclusion: PC game = easy to pirate, console game = might as well just go spend 60 bucks.

MinscTheHunter
09-27-2009, 12:36 AM
Originally posted by sbredflag:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
In the latest news item, Ubi said it was for quality issues, not piracy. I don't know how we keep getting on this topic.


See the link in the very first post in this thread.

As for Ubisoft delaying the game because of that... this is a vicious circle:
PC game is pirated -> Ubi decides to delay the release on PC, and not release any DLC for PC (see Prince of Persia) -> Ubi pi**es off more PC gamers who decide not to buy their products and pirate them instead...

There are only 2 possible solutions if they want to make a profit:
1. Get out of the PC business
2. Accept the PC world for what it is and learn to live with it and become friends with your potential PC customers.

Fortunately, many other companies are able to successfully implement option 2. Ubisoft should take an example from them. If this means some kind of online authentication is required for activating/playing the PC version of the game, so be it. But this is definitely NOT the way...

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 12:47 AM
Release the PC editition in November, pirates are going to pilliage like crazy, Ubisoft would make about 70% sales at least.

Release the PC edition in 2010, get next to nothing sales if they're lucky, pirates are still going to pilliage like crazy. In the meantime console sales might increase by 5%, maybe 10% if everyone's desperate, but it doesn't make up for +60% of PC sales and a MASSIVE decrease in the Ubisoft fan community (for other titles as well, not just AC).

Stormpen
09-27-2009, 01:39 AM
I'm not going to get a pirated version, sooner or later the release some kind of wacko virus onto my PC.

*sigh* <sub>I'm just going to wait</sub>

BSoD
09-27-2009, 01:42 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Release the PC editition in November, pirates are going to pilliage like crazy, Ubisoft would make about 70% sales at least.

Release the PC edition in 2010, get next to nothing sales if they're lucky, pirates are still going to pilliage like crazy. In the meantime console sales might increase by 5%, maybe 10% if everyone's desperate, but it doesn't make up for +60% of PC sales and a MASSIVE decrease in the Ubisoft fan community (for other titles as well, not just AC).

This is exactly what i have stated. Delaying the game would cause more harm than good, figures only shows the theoretical side of the story. Delaying by 5 months doesn't guarantee a major boost in the sale of the console. Neither does it guarantee a drop in the pirating of the game. In the end, delaying is going to cause more harm than good.

Stormpen
09-27-2009, 01:45 AM
Or maybe they just did it to annoy us. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

KZarr
09-27-2009, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Release the PC editition in November, pirates are going to pilliage like crazy, Ubisoft would make about 70% sales at least.

Release the PC edition in 2010, get next to nothing sales if they're lucky, pirates are still going to pilliage like crazy. In the meantime console sales might increase by 5%, maybe 10% if everyone's desperate, but it doesn't make up for +60% of PC sales and a MASSIVE decrease in the Ubisoft fan community (for other titles as well, not just AC).

I love how you can predict the future with dead on grades and percentages out of nothing without citing any source.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 02:04 AM
I have a habit of being right all the time, and if you have a better prediction I'd like to hear it.

KZarr
09-27-2009, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I have a habit of being right all the time
Wow... just wow....

Also is there a need for you to cry about the release date in so many threads?

Also: Lol @ U thinking (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6381021386/m/9421057756) you can make a change (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/861108132/m/4211080927/p/1).

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 02:53 AM
Have you nothing better to do?

FROGGEman2
09-27-2009, 03:21 AM
Why don't they just do what Rocksteady did?

BSoD
09-27-2009, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by KZarr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I have a habit of being right all the time
Wow... just wow....

Also is there a need for you to cry about the release date in so many threads?

Also: Lol @ U thinking (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6381021386/m/9421057756) you can make a change (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/861108132/m/4211080927/p/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Firstly, the date of that was stated is unconfirmed up to now. Who knows, maybe this thread MIGHT be able to convince the devs to release the game earlier (If they actually read the forums or get wind of it).

Secondly, I don't think anyone is "crying" about the release date. They are simply posting their opinion on it. Xanatos facts and figures might not be fully correct, but aside from the figures, what he said is a possibility which is quite likely to happen. Like i said, this is all a theory, we'll never know if the 5 month delay really is going to have a major impact on the sales of the consoles or if it's going to reduce the chances of piracy. All i know is the chances of that happening is slim and to me, feels like Ubisoft is making a wrong move. The link you've attach just goes to show how little communication and bad rep ubisoft is getting among the gaming industry and delaying/going back on their words ain't going to be the best bet they can take.

Thirdly, I didn't make this clear but all i want is a simple reason why they need to delay AC2 for so long. I've stated in my previous post that if they delayed it by 1 or 2 months, things wouldn't be so bad, people wouldn't be so p***ed as it's still in the final quarter of the year and their plan might not suffer such a big change (I was intending on spending my holidays on 2 games, AC 2 and Modern Warfare 2, But now, my plans are screwed and I'm going to have to save up even more money for next year to get all the games i want. Namely Diablo 3,Starcraft 2 etc) . However, a 5 month delay is a bit going over the top. If they show some facts and figures to justify that piracy is causing their sales to drop, most of the people here should be able to accept the delay. But until they have justified their stand as to why their revoke their idea of releasing AC 2 on all 3 consoles at the same time, AC 2 PC gamers and some of the non-PC users are going to end up being super p***ed off and this thread will be their main source of venting their anger.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 03:31 AM
^What he said.^

And even if I had a heart I still probably wouldn't be able to cry.

florisz1990
09-27-2009, 03:31 AM
What BSoD said it actually true, because 1 month delay would mean that the game would still be released during or just before the holidays and Cristmas, and when do people game the most? That's right, during the holidays! And when do people also get more games bought? During the holidays and Cristmas!

And, even if there's 5 (actually 4,5 half) months of delay, I'd still buy it because AC II is even more awesome then AC I, and pirating, well, takes long, or so says my friend.

Firewaterearth
09-27-2009, 04:12 AM
Originally posted by florisz1990:


And, even if there's 5 (actually 4,5 half) months of delay, I'd still buy it because AC II is even more awesome then AC I, and pirating, well, takes long, or so says my friend.

It doesn't. No matter what kind of protection Ubisoft is brooding over, it's going to be cracked rather sooner than later. Ubisoft will only make customers angry and cause some of them to pirate out of sheer protest.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 04:22 AM
And in the meantime pirates are just going to find ways to copy the console editions. (believe me, it can be done)

(and I'm not a pirate... I'm more of a Ninja http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-049.gif )

danial_refahi
09-27-2009, 04:29 AM
Come on ubi this going to be awful
damn damn http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif
I wait for it about 1 year and now damn
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PoP999606
09-27-2009, 04:37 AM
Ubisoft, guys, you've been around for enough time and have been making enough games on the PC to understand that no matter what you do, no matter what fancy security systems you THINK will never get craked you use, THEI'LL STILL PLAY IT AND NOT PAY A DIME. Sure it may not be day 1 or even the first week, hell even a month if you're using the "ever so eficient DRM" soution, but you've allready made them wait for months anyway.....so it's pintless. Look, my point is that those who will want to buy it will buy it, those who won't, WON'T.

danial_refahi
09-27-2009, 04:45 AM
see ma friends its not about who want to buy and who wont it about time at first Splinter Cell Conviction and now assassin's creed 2 if ubi continue this they lost all of th http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif<a href=text_download_from_uploader</a>">
sorry for my bad english http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

POPersiaT2T
09-27-2009, 05:25 AM
Now we can only hope that they will release the PC version sometime around Jan 2010. since they had already announced the PC version delayed to Q1 2010, i think they probably would not going to release it in this year anymore.

Firewaterearth
09-27-2009, 05:28 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
Now we can only hope that they will release the PC version sometime around Jan 2010. since they had already announced the PC version delayed to Q1 2010, i think they probably would not going to release it in this year anymore.

According to play.com the new date is March, 5th.

moqqy
09-27-2009, 05:29 AM
Batman Arkham Asylum had a pretty classy PC release. 3 weeks doesn't really matter.. and they gave PC the PhysX... which really adds to the immersion.

Something like that would have been great for AC2's PC release, but nope... up to 6 months delay and nothing significant to make up for it.

Hurri211
09-27-2009, 05:38 AM
Why is play.com the only website to have changed the release date. As I posted somewhere before, I have gone to loads of other websites and they have not changed the release date. Are they just late in changing it, or is play.com only guessing http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Danvish
09-27-2009, 05:41 AM
You know KZarr... your comments make me laugh.

You're like on of those little kids that when their big brother stand next to them, suddenly they get all big and open their mouth. If they annoucned they delay the consoles version for 5 months, and leave the PC intact, I bet you would cry like a little baby. (And ofc now you're gonna come with the "I'm a PC player too" comment... right...)

You know nothing KZarr, so stop trying to play the older guy. Even Jambo told you that you have no idea about the connection of the Mods with the Devs, which proves you have no inside connection, and you just all the sudden feel like a big person, while in rl, you're just a little child. But that's not a problem, at some point of life, probably quicker than you think, someone will put you back to your original size.

And that's my 2 cents.

Back on topic: What irritates me more than all, is not the business calculation that Ubi did. I bet they are not stupid people, and have a business plan and they know what they're doing. What bothers me most is the deception. Why not tell us right away? Sure, it would hurt much to know the PC would get delayed, but at least we would be prepared for it, and not get shocked by it 50 days before the game was about to be released.

As I've previously stated, I suggest noone to go piracy, but I do suggest you to get the game from friends or even buy it for a small fee from them. As for me, I will never again buy a Ubisoft product directly from them. They don't deserve to see my money.

andreasGA
09-27-2009, 06:06 AM
I'm just disappointed, and I honestly don't believe they'ved postponed the release just because of piracy, they know it'll get pirated anyway. It's some other reason I'm sure of it

Firewaterearth
09-27-2009, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by andreasGA:
I'm just disappointed, and I honestly don't believe they'ved postponed the release just because of piracy, they know it'll get pirated anyway. It's some other reason I'm sure of it

What other reasons would there be?

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 06:09 AM
Trying to demolish the PC market, why else? And my entry into the Caption Game seems to fit here as well...
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3473/nopc.jpg
("Because you suck. And we hate you." is an internet joke about Heckler & Koch about how badly they treat their customers)

Firewaterearth
09-27-2009, 06:15 AM
I doubt they are trying to demolish the PC market, you don't slaughter your cash cow. Despite consoles and piracy, the PC versions still seem to make enough money, otherwise they wouldn't bother making PC games.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 06:18 AM
They probably made a deal with Sony to increase their sales. It doesn't matter for Microsoft, since they've already got the X-Box.

Danvish
09-27-2009, 06:20 AM
Ubi has other products they want to sell on PC. If they start demloishing games for the PC, it would create a domino effect and PC players will declare war on them.

I think that Ubi has this goal in like 2011-2012, to finaly stop make games for the PC. Right now they are just preparing the ground, postponing games so they could say that piracy is killing them and the sales on PC are low.

That's ofc just my opinion.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 06:29 AM
Think it has something to do with December 21st 2012? That's probably when Ubi is going to launch their console mind-control sattelite.

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 06:32 AM
they aren't trying to kill off the PC (it will never happen) it's simply the PC game needs to be a hell of a lot more complex than the console games as it needs to run on a pretty much infinite number of hardware set-ups and not just one set-up that is constant for every1.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 06:36 AM
Surely they realised this at the start of production, why'd they wait to kick us in the teeth just now?

moqqy
09-27-2009, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
they aren't trying to kill off the PC (it will never happen) it's simply the PC game needs to be a hell of a lot more complex than the console games as it needs to run on a pretty much infinite number of hardware set-ups and not just one set-up that is constant for every1.

Yeah, complete BS. Tell us everything is OK for months and then barely 1 month before the release, they've found out the PC version isn't working properly? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Firewaterearth
09-27-2009, 06:41 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Surely they realised this at the start of production, why'd they wait to kick us in the teeth just now?

That's what we all want to know.

Ubisoft could do themselves a favor and just tell their customers for the sake of fairness why they are doing this BS.

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 06:43 AM
they obviously thought they could get it done in the time they had, but during production everything can be going perfect one minuet then the next thing you know you run into a brick wall you have to smash down before you can move on.

this delay has probably been announced as they have got into the work of splitting the 3 separate versions, as up to that point everything would have seemed to be going fine then when they have came to the hardware support they have found there is going to be a lot more work than they originally intended.

you have to think if they want to keep the game open to a large number of people they will need to add a lot of scalability into the game or only top end PC's will be able to run it at any decent level. (for example of a bad port that should of been delayed further to sort out all the problems look at GTA4)

Firewaterearth
09-27-2009, 06:46 AM
1. They said all 3 versions would be released the same day. I'm pretty sure Ubisoft knows enough about game production that they already calculated the PC optimizing in.

2. http://www.n4g.com/News-380701.aspx

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 06:53 AM
as I said before with the way N4G is ran it is as reliable as wikipedia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

as for saying a game firm should know how long optimisation will take, it's not something you can accurately state till you have then entire base ready as something can turn out easier to convert and others can turn our harder.

software development is never the same twice this is why every firm that releases a date for a game will use the disclaimer that it can move. as until the game goes gold no1 can be certain of production times.

Xanatos2007
09-27-2009, 07:01 AM
So why didn't they state that as the reason then instead of "we're going on a voyage to find the Black Pearl and combat pirates!"?

POPersiaT2T
09-27-2009, 07:42 AM
Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
Now we can only hope that they will release the PC version sometime around Jan 2010. since they had already announced the PC version delayed to Q1 2010, i think they probably would not going to release it in this year anymore.

According to play.com the new date is March, 5th. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Still, its not confirmed by the official yet.

Stormpen
09-27-2009, 07:58 AM
I think the wait gets worse once you preorder it.

MinscTheHunter
09-27-2009, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
as I said before with the way N4G is ran it is as reliable as wikipedia http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif


FYI: the source of that info is not N4G, it's a Belgian website (http://www.9lives.be/games/assassin-s-creed-2/nieuws/gamescom-piraterij-enige-oorzaak-uitstel-pc-versie-assassin-s-creed) who talked to Patrice Désilets at the Gamescom in Cologne. Apparently it was already known to some Ubisoft employees at that time that the PC version would get delayed, though not to everyone (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5251069024/m/6321020587).

fahRENheit2006
09-27-2009, 08:21 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
Now we can only hope that they will release the PC version sometime around Jan 2010. since they had already announced the PC version delayed to Q1 2010, i think they probably would not going to release it in this year anymore.
January is not Ubisoft's Q1. Their first quarter starts in March, not January. That's why Ubi games coming out in November/December are Q3, not Q4. Dunno why that is, just the way the French company runs its books and starts its fiscal cycle.

Hopefully there will be some sort of DLC between November and March for AC2. Maybe they could bundle the DLC together for free with the game for the PC users to make some amends.

But otherwise, the delay isn't officially confirmed yet? Just one website hypothesizing a date?

MinscTheHunter
09-27-2009, 08:23 AM
Originally posted by fahRENheit2006:
But otherwise, the delay isn't officially confirmed yet? Just one website hypothesizing a date?

No, the delay is official. It was announced on Ubisoft's own twitter (http://twitter.com/Ubisoft/statuses/4339003186). It's just the new date that hasn't been officially confirmed yet.

Hurri211
09-27-2009, 08:32 AM
Hey guys, ive just been on the uk gamespy website looking at ac2 stuff(of course)and it says that in Australia, the pc versions will be released in Q4 2009? Is it just a typo or could it mean something else?

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 08:34 AM
it's basically just still reporting the old date like a lot of firms.

Hurri211
09-27-2009, 08:40 AM
It could be that, but for all other regions it said pc would come out Q1 2010, and for the consoles it had the november release date written. And a couple of posts up,fahRENheit said ubisofts quarters are different, so Q4 means Januray/February next year. Hmmmm http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

MinscTheHunter
09-27-2009, 08:47 AM
No matter how Ubisoft's financial quarters are set up, if a common gaming website says Q1 2010 they usually mean the first three months of 2010... so between January and March. Which still fits with the Play.com date of March 05.
And Q4 2009 is still the last 3 months of 2009 (so the old date)... most likely it just hasn't been updated yet

Grandmaster_Z
09-27-2009, 09:25 AM
what a bunch of crybabies. get over it, move on with life..

Danvish
09-27-2009, 09:25 AM
Cas,

You want to tell me it's pure faith that Patrice announce the game will come out on Xbox and PS3, and exactly a month later, they confirm it was delayed?

When Patrice spoken back then, he already knew the game was delayed. Why did Atmon come and told us the game is still being released on PC as schedueld? Maybe they didn't let Atmon in the info? In that case, they can learn a lesson or two on how to treat costumers.

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 10:07 AM
back then it might not of been certain that it would be delayed and due to that he made a slip that hinted at it, then they released the info when it was 100% confirmed that what ever problem they hit couldn't be sorted in the remaining time.

MinscTheHunter
09-27-2009, 11:42 AM
'whatever problem they hit'? The 'slip' that Patrice made very clearly indicated that the PC version would be released later because of piracy. So either they were unable to get their new copy protection software working properly in time, or they really hope to sell more on Xbox and PS3 by releasing it later on PC.

Fallacy2009
09-27-2009, 01:21 PM
the least they could do is give us a demo... oh well guess i'll just have to enjoy bloodlines untill i can really have some fun..

KZarr
09-27-2009, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by Danvish:
You know KZarr... your comments make me laugh.

You're like on of those little kids that when their big brother stand next to them, suddenly they get all big and open their mouth. If they annoucned they delay the consoles version for 5 months, and leave the PC intact, I bet you would cry like a little baby. (And ofc now you're gonna come with the "I'm a PC player too" comment... right...)

You know nothing KZarr, so stop trying to play the older guy. Even Jambo told you that you have no idea about the connection of the Mods with the Devs, which proves you have no inside connection, and you just all the sudden feel like a big person, while in rl, you're just a little child. But that's not a problem, at some point of life, probably quicker than you think, someone will put you back to your original size.
Ok... that was uncalled for. How about you respond to my post instead of attacking me personally. You know.. like a discussion is suppose to be... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Atkamon
09-27-2009, 01:46 PM
Originally posted by Fallacy2009:
the least they could do is give us a demo... oh well guess i'll just have to enjoy bloodlines untill i can really have some fun..

Well, yeah if I had a PSP, I'd get Bloodlines too, that would keep me occupied for a long time I think:P Sh*t, why did i have to fall in love with the Assassin's Creed franchise, usually I'd just say "well okay, I'll wait another 3 months" but now... it was torture even before I knew of the delay, and now... its horrible T_T

moqqy
09-27-2009, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
back then it might not of been certain that it would be delayed and due to that he made a slip that hinted at it, then they released the info when it was 100% confirmed that what ever problem they hit couldn't be sorted in the remaining time.

Keep living in the dream world..

Danvish
09-27-2009, 03:23 PM
Originally posted by KZarr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
I have a habit of being right all the time
Wow... just wow....

Also is there a need for you to cry about the release date in so many threads?

Also: Lol @ U thinking (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/6381021386/m/9421057756) you can make a change (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/861108132/m/4211080927/p/1). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I guess THAT was on topic, KZarr?

Kyoto2009
09-27-2009, 03:41 PM
are you guys sure this is worldwide?

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 03:48 PM
yes it's world wide but 90% of shops wont update their release dates till the receive an amended release list, so over the next week or so you should see the sites start to change.

BTOG46
09-27-2009, 03:49 PM
@ Danvish

If you have any issues with other forum members here, please take it to PM's, and keep things out of the forums. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Kyoto2009
09-27-2009, 03:53 PM
so if i already pre-ordered it directly at a store will they call me and tell me?

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 03:55 PM
most likely not, you would probably have to contact them to confirm the change as they will use the excuse that they cant call every1 every time a game release date slips.

Jobbigt42
09-27-2009, 04:01 PM
I wounder if the contents of the Black/White editions will change for the PC version.

The bonus missions are not really exclusive when the PC version is out.

caswallawn_2k7
09-27-2009, 04:02 PM
for a time they will be exclusive to that version on the PC.

Danvish
09-27-2009, 04:06 PM
Well,
I just want someone from Ubisoft to just come and tell us the truth why the game was delayed. Hell, I'll even accept it was 'cause of piracy and they just kept us in the shade. But stop shutting us out.

@BTOG
I apologize, I spoke out of fraustration, won't happen again.

EDIT: Not how I imagine I'll reach to 1000 posts. But oh well.

Fobok
09-27-2009, 05:09 PM
I'm hoping with the delay, whether it was the reason or not, they have an improved PC control scheme this time. Something that isn't nearly so awkward.

Supporting gamepad controls? That's fantastic. Requiring it if you want to play the game effectively, not so much.

SBRedFlag
09-27-2009, 05:20 PM
Originally posted by Danvish:
Well,
I just want someone from Ubisoft to just come and tell us the truth why the game was delayed. Hell, I'll even accept it was 'cause of piracy and they just kept us in the shade. But stop shutting us out.

@BTOG
I apologize, I spoke out of fraustration, won't happen again.

EDIT: Not how I imagine I'll reach to 1000 posts. But oh well.

Hey Danvish, welcome back from your long hiatus. Too bad it was this that brought you back http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 01:24 AM
I had a ridiculous idea in another thread which just might work; how about Eidos publishes Assassin's Creed II (at least for the PC)? They don't have any problems with piracy issues or anything, and it'll keep everybody happy (the consumers, that is).

Plus, it might be the start of the merging of the two greatest videogame companies ever.

Just a wild idea, I'm using whatever ammunition I have left... even from the novelty box. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Danvish
09-28-2009, 01:27 AM
Why Eidos doesn't have problems with piracy?

And thanks sbredflag, but I'm not really back, I just have a 4 days vacation from the army.

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 01:34 AM
Eidos releases all their games on all platforms simultaneously every time. Including Batman: Arkham Asylum, which got pirated anyway but Eidos didn't care. And they still made loads of money from it.

Enosh
09-28-2009, 01:46 AM
1. the game is either already done (or will be done at the same time as the console version) or they haven't even started and need the 5 months to port the game
2. pushing it to Q1 is basicly a death sentence for the game since at that time a lot of games are released, games that didn't get pushed back 5 months for **** and giggles, guess which one will people rather buy
3. I will laugh for a whole day if starcraft 2 will actualy get released in Q1 beacose AC2 will be lucky to sell 2 copies, since everyone and their grandmother with a pc will be playing SC2 and not give a **** about anything else for months

obliviondoll
09-28-2009, 02:30 AM
I won't be playing Starcraft 2.

Although whether what I have actually counts as a PC is a matter of some debate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 02:50 AM
An Animus? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

Danvish
09-28-2009, 02:51 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Eidos releases all their games on all platforms simultaneously every time. Including Batman: Arkham Asylum, which got pirated anyway but Eidos didn't care. And they still made loads of money from it.

You know, I'm begining to wonder if Ubisoft did make a secret deal with Microsoft and Sony.
Otherwise I have no explenation for it... it's true they sold 8 millions copy from the first one, and I think they could sell even more on this one if they didn't postpone this one. I mean after all, the people who bought it the first time was planning on buying it also this time, right? (what I mean is, they plan on buying it, not downloading it).

I do hope that many ACII fans won't buy the game from Ubisfot, but get it on other ways (legal ways ofc).

Also, if it's that much complicated to create a game for the PC, how come the consule version costs a lot more?

Firewaterearth
09-28-2009, 02:56 AM
Originally posted by Grandmaster_Z:
what a bunch of crybabies. get over it, move on with life..


-.-
I want something extra that's PC exclusive, that the console users will NEVER get. Let's see the console users crying then.

SWJS
09-28-2009, 02:56 AM
Honestly, I must say I'm ashamed of the people in this particular thread.

Guy's, it's only a few months. A game I wanted a long time ago, was delayed for two years before it actually came out, not to mention the fact it was cancelled for the PS3.

Look at the glass half full. You'll still get AC2, it's not like Ubisoft are being unfair to you on purpose. They're trying to prevent the lose of the money they've got to live off of, which is still happening because arrogant fans are cancelling orders and are trying in their hardest to deny Ubisoft their money.

There's no reason. It's childish, selfish, and to state the intentions on their own board is hitting just a little below the belt.

You know what I did when that game was delayed for two years? I waited. I was disappointed, sure, but I didn't threaten to cancel my order or anything.

Seriously guys, be patient, and be glad Ubisoft are even working on the game to please you. They're not being unfair to you, they're not out to get you. They're paychecks come off the money earned from their game. They deserve the money for the hard work they've put into the masterpiece that is AC2.

That's all I have to say, and will say on this matter. I'm through.

Firewaterearth
09-28-2009, 03:02 AM
Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
Honestly, I must say I'm ashamed of the people in this particular thread.

Then don't look at threads where people speak their opinion.



Look at the glass half full. You'll still get AC2, it's not like Ubisoft are being unfair to you on purpose. They're trying to prevent the lose of the money they've got to live off of, which is still happening because arrogant fans are cancelling orders and are trying in their hardest to deny Ubisoft their money.

And it is their full right to deny this company their money. They treat the PC users like all of us are software pirates. You expect us not to get angry at this?



There's no reason. It's childish, selfish, and to state the intentions on their own board is hitting just a little below the belt.

Where else than on this board? Chances are they at least see it on here, even if they don't care.




You know what I did when that game was delayed for two years? I waited. I was disappointed, sure, but I didn't threaten to cancel my order or anything.

Seriously guys, be patient, and be glad Ubisoft are even working on the game to please you. They're not being unfair to you, they're not out to get you. They're paychecks come off the money earned from their game. They deserve the money for the hard work they've put into the masterpiece that is AC2.



Ubisoft wants my money? Then treat me fairly, with respect, not condemn every PC user as a pirate.

Enosh
09-28-2009, 03:05 AM
it's not like Ubisoft are being unfair to you on purpose

yes they are

Danvish
09-28-2009, 03:08 AM
@EzioTheAssasin

Oh really?

If you're that mature and "ashamed" maybe you could explain why Ubisfot deserve our money after they specifily said they are not delaying the PC version, and yet they did it without even giving us explenation?

If you would have read the posts, instead of just posting your thoughts on how "childish" we are, you would see that in all our posts, what we complained about was the deception. Not the delay itself. Games get delayed all the time, it's not the point. The point is that suddenly the PC version gets delayed, even after Atmon confirmed us it wouldn't, while the PS3 and Xbox players still get their piece.

It's not that Ubi won't see my money because they delayed the game. They won't see my money because the treatment they give to their costumers.

Honestly mate, next time read what people complain about instead of just coming with the "stop complain" attitude. Sometimes people complain for good reasons.

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 03:12 AM
@EzioTheAssasin: Did you find out that game got postponed by 2 years right before it was about to get released? I found out AC1 PC was postponed well before it was originally due to be released and I was very annoyed, but I wasn't crushed (heck, it just gave me more time to get a proper PC). Had Ubisoft been honest with us in the first place it wouldn't have been so bad. And they're still not being honest with us; nobody knows exactly why ACII got postponed 'till 2010. I'm still waiting for a reply from them.

And what game did you wait for 2 years for exactly anyway? It sounds like you just made that part up.

SWJS
09-28-2009, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by EzioTheAssassin:
Honestly, I must say I'm ashamed of the people in this particular thread.

Then don't look at threads where people speak their opinion.



Look at the glass half full. You'll still get AC2, it's not like Ubisoft are being unfair to you on purpose. They're trying to prevent the lose of the money they've got to live off of, which is still happening because arrogant fans are cancelling orders and are trying in their hardest to deny Ubisoft their money.

And it is their full right to deny this company their money. They treat the PC users like all of us are software pirates. You expect us not to get angry at this?



There's no reason. It's childish, selfish, and to state the intentions on their own board is hitting just a little below the belt.

Where else than on this board? Chances are they at least see it on here, even if they don't care.




You know what I did when that game was delayed for two years? I waited. I was disappointed, sure, but I didn't threaten to cancel my order or anything.

Seriously guys, be patient, and be glad Ubisoft are even working on the game to please you. They're not being unfair to you, they're not out to get you. They're paychecks come off the money earned from their game. They deserve the money for the hard work they've put into the masterpiece that is AC2.



Ubisoft wants my money? Then treat me fairly, with respect, not condemn every PC user as a pirate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Okay, I promised myself I wouldn't get angry, but now I'm just disgusted.

You obviously understood nothing about the point I was trying to make.

My point: Ubisoft works hard on the game to make a living, and at least they took the fans into consideration of fix problems that they had.

That "everybody has an opinion and we choose to whine about it like spoiled brats" excuse is something I've heard a million times.

It's not my fault people pirate games. If Ubisoft wants to delay a game because they're afraid of piracy, be angry at the pirates. Not Ubisoft. They did NOT delay the game because "everybody hates PC users". PC's are just as good as ever other console. PC's aren't the underdog. Every console has it's fair share of exclusives, delays, awesome games, and high-tech hardware, including PC. Just because it gets delayed for only the PC doesn't mean they're being mean to you. They never condemed every PC user as a Pirate either. PCs are easy to pirate with, this is a fact. If you use a PC and you download songs off Limewire, you're pirating. They're not specifically saying "All PC gamers pirate, Let's be mean to them!" I expect you to be angry at the decision to delay, yes. I would be too. But the way everyone complains, they act like the world is at an end and start a war with Ubisoft over a 5 month delay, like they'll never see the games release.

It actually just occured to me. Since many of you cancelled your orders and refuse to pay Ubisoft, you're condemning yourselves right there, because once the sales on PC start to plummet, chances are they wont produce a PC version, or port games to the PC in the future.

If you guys want to abuse Ubisoft, then do so, but you're only harming yourselves in the decision. The PC version WILL be released, even if it is March of 2010. Nobody said it wouldn't be available to you. Nobody said you couldn't have it. So take what you get and be happy you got it.

Terribly sorry if any of that sounded offensive or strong, but it's the way I feel, it's my opinion on the PC situation. I understood why people complained about the new date, it's just all the hate toward Ubisoft that set me off.


Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
@EzioTheAssasin: Did you find out that game got postponed by 2 years right before it was about to get released? I found out AC1 PC was postponed well before it was originally due to be released and I was very annoyed, but I wasn't crushed (heck, it just gave me more time to get a proper PC). Had Ubisoft been honest with us in the first place it wouldn't have been so bad. And they're still not being honest with us; nobody knows exactly why ACII got postponed 'till 2010. I'm still waiting for a reply from them.

And what game did you wait for 2 years for exactly anyway? It sounds like you just made that part up. Yes I did find out, because the game's release was pushed back seven times. I also understand that the weren't honest, but have you asked yourself if it wasn't intentional? They probably just got the idea and tried to not upset you guys. If you break a friend's most precious item, isn't it hard to tell them what happened, for fear of upsetting them?

Also, the game I refer to is Destroy All Humans! Path of the Furons. It was a THQ game. it got delayed around seven times, throught the course of approximately two years. Ask anyone who had to wait on the game. I hated it, the waiting was killing me. It was the longest time I've ever waited on something.

Originally posted by Danvish:
@EzioTheAssasin

Oh really?

If you're that mature and "ashamed" maybe you could explain why Ubisfot deserve our money after they specifily said they are not delaying the PC version, and yet they did it without even giving us explenation?

If you would have read the posts, instead of just posting your thoughts on how "childish" we are, you would see that in all our posts, what we complained about was the deception. Not the delay itself. Games get delayed all the time, it's not the point. The point is that suddenly the PC version gets delayed, even after Atmon confirmed us it wouldn't, while the PS3 and Xbox players still get their piece.

It's not that Ubi won't see my money because they delayed the game. They won't see my money because the treatment they give to their costumers.

Honestly mate, next time read what people complain about instead of just coming with the "stop complain" attitude. Sometimes people complain for good reasons. Okay Danvish. I will admit that I only read up through about 3 pages, but really, it was all complaints with cenored words, and most were directed at the delay, from what I could see. I appologize for jumping to conclusions and posting a fairly hateful rant. While I see why you are angry, I'm sure that snapping Ubi's head off isn't necessary either, as there is probably an explaination to this dillema. I'm sure Ubi doesn't mean us any harm, and if we all calm down, we can sort things out and clear up the confusion. Yes?

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 03:42 AM
You still fail to realise that delaying the PC version by nearly 5 months isn't going to affect piracy in any way, shape or form:

November '09: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-058.gif = 30% --- http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif = 70%

March 2010: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-058.gif = still 30% (probably more from all the ticked-off PCers) --- http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif = 5-10%

Pirates are still going to pirate like crazy no matter what time of the year it is while PC gamers will lose faith in Ubisoft and go elsewhere.

And you've still failed to mention what game you were waiting 2 years for.

Firewaterearth
09-28-2009, 03:43 AM
I just disgusted you, oh evil me.
I got your point very well, you didn't get mine. I never said they delayed the game because they hate PC users, but it seems pretty clear they did because of piracy. Now, why the hell do all of us PC users have to wait because of some pirates? It's not like Ubisoft will stop piracy this way, it will continue like always. Those who never had any intention to pay for the game will download it, finit. Those who want to honestly buy it get screwed, by a later release and most likely with another annoying protection software (I wasn't able to play Two Thrones, thanks to it's protection, my computer didn't like it).

By the way, I didn't cancel my preorder. I want the game and yes, I have to wait. I just think it's unfair how fist, Ubisoft said that we'd get the game the same time as the console users and now all of a sudden we have to wait almost half a year longer. Its especially annoying, considering that a lot of us have lives outside the computer and would have liked to spend some of our free time over christmas with AC2.

Danvish
09-28-2009, 03:49 AM
Ezio,

We're all PAYING customers. I believe every member of this forum paid for his copy.

Xana just posted that Eidos, i.e, releases all games on same time. You think Eidos is smaller or more foolish company than Ubi? I doubt it.
The point is, they do realise their games will be pirated, but they have RESPECT to the community they evolved from. And that's the point. Respect to the consumers. That's what we demand from Ubi, that's why we're angry. You keep saying Ubi has nothing against the PC community, but the facts are against you. ACI was delayed on PC, and the "bonus" we had was 4 stupid missions. POP got a console-only DLC. And now ACII gets delayed exactly 55 days before it was ment to be releases, only on one platform, and without even saying why.

I do respect all the people on Ubisoft that works hard for their living, the programmers, artists and etc. But as long as the managment keeps treating us consumers as they are doing right now, then excuse me much, but They do not DESERVE to have my hard earned money .

P.S, I wish to fight with noone, and with you specially since I respect you. But please try to understand how the people here feel, and their anger is focused on Ubi and the Pirates as one. So you're getting yourself into a situation for no reason.

SWJS
09-28-2009, 03:53 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
You still fail to realise that delaying the PC version by nearly 5 months isn't going to affect piracy in any way, shape or form:

November '09: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-058.gif = 30% [] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/typing.gif = 70%

March 2010: http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-058.gif = still 30% [] http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif = 5-10%

Pirates are still going to pirate like crazy no matter what time of the year it is while PC gamers will lose faith in Ubisoft and go elsewhere.

And you've still failed to mention what game you were waiting 2 years for. I've edited my post.


Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
I just disgusted you, oh evil me.
I got your point very well, you didn't get mine. I never said they delayed the game because they hate PC users, but it seems pretty clear they did because of piracy. Now, why the hell do all of us PC users have to wait because of some pirates? It's not like Ubisoft will stop piracy this way, it will continue like always. Those who never had any intention to pay for the game will download it, finit. Those who want to honestly buy it get screwed, by a later release and most likely with another annoying protection software (I wasn't able to play Two Thrones, thanks to it's protection, my computer didn't like it).

By the way, I didn't cancel my preorder. I want the game and yes, I have to wait. I just think it's unfair how fist, Ubisoft said that we'd get the game the same time as the console users and now all of a sudden we have to wait almost half a year longer. Its especially annoying, considering that a lot of us have lives outside the computer and would have liked to spend some of our free time over christmas with AC2. To both of you, once again I appologize for my outburst and my jumping to conclusions, and that I now understand you're opinions and frustration. However, refer to my above edited post. As I have said, Ubisoft probably doesn't mean any harm. I understand your frustration, however, in all the confusion and such, I say we should all just calm down, and stop biting at each other's throats. This thread has already gotten out of hand. I don't want to be immature and make it worse. I'm on the neutral side.

P.S, I wish to fight with noone
My sentiments exactly.

Belinki
09-28-2009, 03:57 AM
Well, how are you getting on ... did carry carried so http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif, and with the first AC a difference was?

Danvish
09-28-2009, 03:57 AM
Ezio,

It's Ubisfot job to justify themselves to the customers, not yours, so please just let them do their job.

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 03:59 AM
@Ezio: Ah yes, I wanted to get Destroy All Humans as well, but it was never released on PC. This is again proof that PC is indeed the 'underdog' of the games industry. Crytek made a stand against this with Crysis, but Ubisoft again beat PC down with Crytek's predecessor Far Cry with 2 (or more) expansions that were console only. I know that Far Cry 2 came out on PC as well (I have a copy) but FPS games are always preffered on PCs, so they couldn't argue with that.

Well, how are you getting on ... did carry carried so , and with the first AC a difference was?
Welcome fellow PC gamer, but... what? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

BSoD
09-28-2009, 04:02 AM
@EzioTheAssassin: Please don't stereotype everyone in this thread as a whiner or someone along that line. People come to this thread for many reasons. I, for one, come to this thread to propose a simple question which hasn't been answer yet. I want to know if Ubisoft can release the reason why they delay the game for 5 months. I posted my thoughts on what the 5 month delay might do to the sales to show that i don't understand their course of action and any information regarding the reason for their course of action would be greatly welcomed by me(and for some, if not all, the pc gamers on this forums)

Belinki
09-28-2009, 04:06 AM
Difference of output between the PC and X-Box by a version AC was?
P.S.The English speak badly, I can make mistakes ... sorry

SWJS
09-28-2009, 04:08 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
@Ezio: Ah yes, I wanted to get Destroy All Humans as well, but it was never released on PC. This is again proof that PC is indeed the 'underdog' of the games industry. Crytek made a stand against this with Crysis, but Ubisoft again beat PC down with Crytek's predecessor Far Cry with 2 (or more) expansions that were console only. I know that Far Cry 2 came out on PC as well (I have a copy) but FPS games are always preffered on PCs, so they couldn't argue with that.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> Well, how are you getting on ... did carry carried so , and with the first AC a difference was?
Welcome fellow PC gamer, but... what? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
@Xanatos: I've actually wanted to try Far Cry and Far Cry 2, but my PC, which I am on now, doesn't have the processing power for gaming. It's a 2006 Compaq if you're curious.

@BSoD: Please refer to my above posts, in which all I appologize, except for my initial outburst, which I really regret posting.

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 04:23 AM
You're forgiven. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-032.gif

MinscTheHunter
09-28-2009, 04:28 AM
*sigh* now this thread is turning into a whole flame war again... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
Ubisoft wants my money? Then treat me fairly, with respect, not condemn every PC user as a pirate.

My point exactly. As long as they keep treating PC players as second class citizens, I see no reason to give them any of my money.

MinscTheHunter
09-28-2009, 04:30 AM
I found an interesting article about piracy (http://checkyourhud.com/piracy-and-the-pc/).
The quotes most relevant to this thread:


"Ultimately, the biggest factor in stopping the piracy of PC games has been the evolution of online games. By tying a consumer to an online account, a publisher is able to greatly decrease the rate at which a game is pirated."

Wouldn't that work for AC2 as well? Give each sold copy a unique code, let the buyer register that code to their online Ubisoft account (see for example Bioware's system for this). Then release, as quickly after launch as possible, a series of DLC modules (some free, some at a charge) which can only be downloaded/installed and activated from your Ubisoft account. So the basic disc-based game could still be copied/pirated, but the DLC could not. If the DLC is appealing (and cheap) enough, this will easily persuade people to not get the pirated version but buy and register their own copy instead.
They could even make the AC2 "bonus missions" that are included in the Black & White editions into such DLC... meaning that inside the Black & White editions you will find a unique code that you need to register these bonus missions to your online Ubisoft account and to download/install them from there.
While I realize that people with a slow internet connection may not be too happy with this strategy, it could greatly decrease piracy in the Ubisoft's biggest markets: USA and Europe (and probably Asia as well).


"Valve’s download and user client, Steam, is another example of how the industry has evolved to meet the needs of the base consumer in an effort to decrease piracy. By providing a legitimate way for consumers to download and authenticate games without the need for physical copies, Steam is another giant step forward to eliminating piracy altogether."
...

"Gabe Newell, founder of Valve, has gone on the record stating that “As far as DRM goes, most DRM strategies are just dumb. The goal should be to create greater value for customers through service value (make it easy for me to play my games whenever and wherever I want to), not by decreasing the value of a product (maybe I’ll be able to play my game and maybe I won’t). Newell’s point echoes the sentiment of a true PC gamer, that instead of having to neuter functionality, DRM should instead enhance the player experience. The creation of such a download system allows for the free market to take over and regulate the price, which is illustrated in the many sales and special deals that frequent the service."

No doubt Ubisoft's delay strategy can be counted among those "dumb strategies", as all it does is p*ss off PC gamers, not stop piracy. How about if they'd release the digital version on the same day as the consoles, then the disc-based version a few weeks (not 5 months!) later?


"The survival of the PC as a competitive gaming platform will ultimately depend on game publishers ability to evolve and adapt, much like how they have done with subscription based games and download services, to the ever changing market."

So the big question is: will Ubisoft be able to evolve and adapt, or will they remain dumb and go down in flames?

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 04:33 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
*sigh* now this thread is turning into a whole flame war again... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
We just quenched the flames... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

@Minsc: http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

@Ubisoft: If piracy is the reason for the delay, read the ^above post^.

POPersiaT2T
09-28-2009, 04:34 AM
Originally posted by Firewaterearth:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">
Look at the glass half full. You'll still get AC2, it's not like Ubisoft are being unfair to you on purpose. They're trying to prevent the lose of the money they've got to live off of, which is still happening because arrogant fans are cancelling orders and are trying in their hardest to deny Ubisoft their money.

And it is their full right to deny this company their money. They treat the PC users like all of us are software pirates. You expect us not to get angry at this?


You know what I did when that game was delayed for two years? I waited. I was disappointed, sure, but I didn't threaten to cancel my order or anything.

Seriously guys, be patient, and be glad Ubisoft are even working on the game to please you. They're not being unfair to you, they're not out to get you. They're paychecks come off the money earned from their game. They deserve the money for the hard work they've put into the masterpiece that is AC2.



Ubisoft wants my money? Then treat me fairly, with respect, not condemn every PC user as a pirate. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

AGREED!!


Originally posted by Enosh:
3. I will laugh for a whole day if starcraft 2 will actualy get released in Q1 beacose AC2 will be lucky to sell 2 copies, since everyone and their grandmother with a pc will be playing SC2 and not give a **** about anything else for months

If starcraft 2 release in march 2010, then im probably going to get Starcraft 2. I've been waiting for this game for 2++ years since they announced it.

moqqy
09-28-2009, 05:52 AM
Honestly, I must say I'm ashamed of the people in this particular thread.

Guy's, it's only a few months. A game I wanted a long time ago, was delayed for two years before it actually came out, not to mention the fact it was cancelled for the PS3.

Look at the glass half full. You'll still get AC2, it's not like Ubisoft are being unfair to you on purpose. They're trying to prevent the lose of the money they've got to live off of, which is still happening because arrogant fans are cancelling orders and are trying in their hardest to deny Ubisoft their money.

There's no reason. It's childish, selfish, and to state the intentions on their own board is hitting just a little below the belt.

You know what I did when that game was delayed for two years? I waited. I was disappointed, sure, but I didn't threaten to cancel my order or anything.

Seriously guys, be patient, and be glad Ubisoft are even working on the game to please you. They're not being unfair to you, they're not out to get you. They're paychecks come off the money earned from their game. They deserve the money for the hard work they've put into the masterpiece that is AC2.

That's all I have to say, and will say on this matter. I'm through.

Honestly, I doubt anyone cares if you're ashamed or not... so just stick to arguing the case not telling people how you feel.

A few months... up to half a year. It's a LOT since they lied SEVERAL times to us that PC would release on time.. and now just before release they say "hahah, gotcha!"

They're trying to prevent the loss of money but they are failing ENORMOUSLY. They'll lose money because of this. As someone said elsewhere, it's a vicious circle they've started. So yes, why should fans NOT want to make them lose more money because they treat them like this? As said before, vicious circle... bohoho, let's lie to our customers and release PC version 5 months later.. WHAT?? WE GET LOW PC SALES?? NO WAY?? WE WILL RELEASE IT EVEN LATER NEXT TIME.. and then the sales are even lower and so on.

How is it childish? Selfish, sure. Everything is selfish. You think UbiSoft is a charity company? Why are they afraid of piracy then? Why do they ask for money?

Dude... I've heard this so many times "be glad they're even working on it to please you". BULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLsnickers. I repeat.. THEY ARE NOT A CHARITY ORGANIZATION. THEY ARE NOT WORKING TO PLEASE US. They're working to MAKE MONEY. We have NOTHING to be grateful or sorry for. It's (usually) a win-win situation for both. We get a great game, they get money. It is NOT charity (for the third time.)

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 06:16 AM
Well, the developers are working to please us, it's the publishers (or whoever is at the top of the food chain) that doesn't care about the fans. Patrice probably isn't responsible for the delay, but he certainly knows who is... <pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> <Alex Mercer mode> </pre>

moqqy
09-28-2009, 07:03 AM
The developers are working to get paid, also. Unless they work for free. Which I, uh.. "doubt."

Enosh
09-28-2009, 07:37 AM
This is again proof that PC is indeed the 'underdog' of the games industry.

PC games only sell bad to publishers that treat PC costumers like crap which in this day and age is mostly only ubisoft

blizzard, they are laughing on their way to the bank at ubisoft and the market they are missing by treating PC costumers like crap
valve, look above
capcom recently anouced that they will increase their focus on PC games beacose their games have been selling so well on the pc
EA shows a lot of love to the PC these days and guess what, the PC is their second bigest platform, hell crysis sold better than killzone 2 and that game was hyped to hell and back
stardock games are selling extreamly well given the low cost of making them and basicly no advertising at all, but relaying on people telling other people that the game is good

fact is publishers that treat PC gamers in the right way and look at them as costumers instead of dirty pirates get a good treatment by PC costumers. Pirates aren't costumers, they won't buy the game just beacose you release it 5 months latter, they won't buy the game at all no matter what, by delaying the release you are only ****ing off one group, the people that actualy pay for the games

POPersiaT2T
09-28-2009, 07:58 AM
Originally posted by Enosh:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">This is again proof that PC is indeed the 'underdog' of the games industry.

PC games only sell bad to publishers that treat PC costumers like crap which in this day and age is mostly only ubisoft

blizzard, they are laughing on their way to the bank at ubisoft and the market they are missing by treating PC costumers like crap
valve, look above
capcom recently anouced that they will increase their focus on PC games beacose their games have been selling so well on the pc
EA shows a lot of love to the PC these days and guess what, the PC is their second bigest platform, hell crysis sold better than killzone 2 and that game was hyped to hell and back
stardock games are selling extreamly well given the low cost of making them and basicly no advertising at all, but relaying on people telling other people that the game is good

fact is publishers that treat PC gamers in the right way and look at them as costumers instead of dirty pirates get a good treatment by PC costumers. Pirates aren't costumers, they won't buy the game just beacose you release it 5 months latter, they won't buy the game at all no matter what, by delaying the release you are only ****ing off one group, the people that actualy pay for the games </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, UBI treat legal customer like a pirate, that's what really ****ed me off.

MinscTheHunter
09-28-2009, 09:11 AM
I did a little research into the piracy of AC1, and I came up with some very interesting data:

Assassin's Creed 1 (released November 2007) took up the #3 spot in the Most pirated PC games of 2008 (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13846_3-10116502-62.html) list, with an estimated 1,070,000 units. At the same time, it wasn't even in the top 20 of best selling PC games of 2008 (http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/44015/Top-20-Best-Selling-PC-Games-of-2008).

The number 1 spot in the most pirated list of 2008 was taken up by EA's Spore, and as you can read in the linked CNet article:

"Spore suffered from a serious PR problem when Electronic Arts introduced an archaic DRM technology that infuriated thousands of users and led to a piracy tsunami. Most people agree that EA's heavy-handed DRM helped to push Spore to the top of the list."

But apparently EA has enough credit with PC gamers to still make it to the #2 spot of best selling games in 2008. EA themselves even said that "the downloads didn't hurt Spore sales".

The number 2 spot in the most pirated list was taken up by The Sims 2, another EA game with the same unpopular SecuROM DRM (http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/12/2218231). And once again, these games sold pretty well... you can find 3 Sims 2 games in the top 20.

Do you see the pattern here? Unpopular decisions obviously increase piracy, but a popular company can overcome that with even better sales.

So what happened to the #3 on the list, AC1? Could it be that the fact that it's not in the top 20 indicates just how little credit Ubisoft has left among PC gamers? And apparently they didn't learn anything and are all set to repeat this mistake. So if nothing changes in the way they treat their PC customers, then my forecast for 2010 is:

By the end of 2010, AC2 will be in the top 3 of "most pirated PC games of 2010", and it will not even be in the top 20 of best selling PC games of 2010.

KZarr
09-28-2009, 10:00 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
best selling PC games of 1010.
Wow, I wonder what games did make it on that list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

BTW This thread has degraded so much that every sensible argument is countered with ridiculous and over emotional replies. I should probably stop posting in this thread.


Don't argue with an idiot. He'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

MinscTheHunter
09-28-2009, 10:14 AM
Originally posted by KZarr:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
best selling PC games of 1010.
Wow, I wonder what games did make it on that list http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fixed http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Originally posted by KZarr:
I should probably posting in this thread.


Guess I'm not the only one who makes typos... what were you saying? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

KZarr
09-28-2009, 10:29 AM
*ninja edit* http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/images/smilies/ninja.gif

caswallawn_2k7
09-28-2009, 11:12 AM
If starcraft 2 release in march 2010, then im probably going to get Starcraft 2. I've been waiting for this game for 2++ years since they announced it.
I've been waiting since 98 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Danvish
09-28-2009, 01:31 PM
I respect what you're saying about solving the piracy, and I think it's a good idea. But I think the pirates will find some way to overpass that protection. They managed to break each and every protection made against them.

Piracy ain't gonna stop. So companies has 2 options: Stop making games for PC (big mistake, since the PC market is still a huge one), or just accept the fact that pirates will always be there, and continue treating the paying customers with respect. (probably the best option).

What Ubisoft is making, is simply hanging in the middle, which simply doesn't work. You can't manuver between the two options. Other stop making PC games at all, or start treating us with the respect we deserve.

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 03:17 PM
@Minsc: The reason AC1 got pirated was because somebody managed to walk out the door with a copy of the CD. Of course you're going to download something ahead of it's release! If ACII got put up on the internet like right now, what's stopping the whole community from cancelling their pre-orders and just downloading it instead? And as for Ubi complaining about poor PC sales, how about trying to release the game at the same time as the others? < So yeah, I agree with you.

@KZarr: Most of the reasons I've seen recently in this thread havn't been "I'm going to cry for a month if you don't release it Ubi", they've all been well-thought arguments supporting an earlier release date. So quit being an annoying troll. As Danvish said...

You're like on of those little kids that when their big brother stand next to them, suddenly they get all big and open their mouth. If they annoucned they delay the consoles version for 5 months, and leave the PC intact, I bet you would cry like a little baby.

thekyle0
09-28-2009, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Of course you're going to download something ahead of it's release! If ACII got put up on the internet like right now, what's stopping the whole community from cancelling their pre-orders and just downloading it instead? My crappy graphics card.

KZarr
09-28-2009, 03:55 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
As Danvish said...
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> You're like on of those little kids that when their big brother stand next to them, suddenly they get all big and open their mouth. If they annoucned they delay the consoles version for 5 months, and leave the PC intact, I bet you would cry like a little baby. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Let me respond to that as it seems you're so keen to push it into my face. There's a reason I ignored it the first time.

I would NOT cry if they announced a delay for the console versions simply because I would buy it for PC. Just because I play AC on my 360 doesn't mean I'm not a PC gamer. If fact, I have more games for PC (http://steamcommunity.com/id/KZarr/games) than for my 360.
You see: unlike some people here(Take notice: I didn't mention any names) I know that Ubisoft has it's stomach full of PC gaming. I noticed it with GRAW2(Crappy port to PC and released later) and Splinter Cell Double Agent(This time an unplayable port to PC)and decided to buy all my games for my 360 whenever I could. I turned out to be right cause Ubi's supoort for PC is declining.

*HAWX was released later on PC
*End War was released later on PC
*PoP on PC didn't get any DLC
*AC was released later on PC
*Facry2's multiplayer collapsed after just an week on PC due to bugs and lack of support(still fine on 360).
*Rainbows multiplayer has never been near-decent on PC with tremendous lag and again lack of support(again fine on 360).

People at the PoP forums had been crying about piracy and how Ubisoft should treat PC gamers fairly. Ubisoft listend. They didn't include ANY copy-protection into PoP2008. The result? out of the 2 million copies sold only 40k was on PC. What do you expect from Ubisoft?

Back to your OP:
No, I would NOT cry even if I didn't have a console cause there we're more than enough signs to tell me this was going to happen. Which is why I decided a long time ago to "invest" in a console.

BTW don't think that I want the PC version to be delayed, I'm on your side. I want it to be released on the same day as the console version just like you do. I'd play the game on my 360 and use the PC version for video's and stuff.


Originally posted by Jack_Vykios:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Realjambo:
Are we finished ranting against Ubi and the consequent PC vs Console war? ....
Probably not. I got here late.

I don't get why PC gamers don't just buy a console? Consoles expand your library potential, are easier to maintain, faster to use and bypass hardware delays like this one.
You PC gamers get treated like crap repeatedly by developers (you're the "Europe and Australia" of the hardware base), but you think they'll wise up once they realize you're sticking to your guns? Because, let's be honest, as more time passes, PC gamers are going to make up an increasingly small and, eventually even negligible part of the market as the market itself grows.

I mean, there's no honorable cause here (these are VIDEO GAMES for chrissakes) so why not just get a console and treat yourself to titles you'd never otherwise have touched? Seriously, I don't see why you even bother. The only reason I still even HAVE a PC (as opposed to just a laptop) anymore is because I'm waiting for Half-Life 2: Episode Three to come out, and that's a game I refuse to play on anything but a PC...but it's Valve, who prefer PCs, so...yeah...
It's like owning a console and only playing Assassin's Creed on my 360 or Prince of Persia on my PS3.
My point isn't just about AC2, though (just to avoid accusations of hypocrisy); it's about the whole market. Why are so many PC gamers so uptight?
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 04:14 PM
If you're a PC gamer and you support us, then why didn't you say so in the first place instead of just hurling random insults?

- Flaming ends here -

bladencrowd
09-28-2009, 04:21 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Hooray for consoles?

Anyways, if you don't want the game ruined for you then buy a console. Yes it's costs a lot, but it might even be a benefit in the long run.

fahRENheit2006
09-28-2009, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by bladencrowd:
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Hooray for consoles?

Anyways, if you don't want the game ruined for you then buy a console. Yes it's costs a lot, but it might even be a benefit in the long run.
Agreed. I never got any sympathy for being a Mac user ("LOL WHY DONT U JUST BUY A PC?"), so I in turn don't shed tears for problems experienced by the PC community. Just a fact of life for me. (Such PoP DLC deja vu going 'round. Now that was a fiasco and a half)

It is rather mysterious and unfortunate why the gap between console and PC release is getting wider and wider. Ubi has always been tight-lipped on their reasons for slowly crawling away from the PC market. It's sad, but there probably won't ever be a press release or reason given. If there is, I'll be downright shocked.

KZarr
09-28-2009, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
If you're a PC gamer and you support us, then why didn't you say so in the first place instead of just hurling random insults?

- Flaming ends here -
Because one has to respond to a comment from a neutral point of view regardless of the "group" I belong to or the opinion I have.

Which is why I politely asked Danvish the first time:

Originally posted by KZarr:
Ok... that was uncalled for. How about you respond to my post instead of attacking me personally. You know.. like a discussion is suppose to be... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
- Flaming ends here -
http://i395.photobucket.com/albums/pp31/Yanglow/avatars/Handshake_emoticon_-_UPDATED.gif


Originally posted by fahRENheit2006:
(Such PoP DLC deja vu going 'round. Now that was a fiasco and a half)
I still can't believe that no one has posted in the "Give us DLC for PC" thread for over a month http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Whoever thought that thread would die?

POPersiaT2T
09-28-2009, 06:42 PM
Originally posted by caswallawn_2k7:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">If starcraft 2 release in march 2010, then im probably going to get Starcraft 2. I've been waiting for this game for 2++ years since they announced it.
I've been waiting since 98 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif starcraft was released in 1998, how could it be possible that u already knew whether blizzard is going to make starcraft 2 or not?? Btw, they just start the development in 2003. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif

fahRENheit2006
09-28-2009, 06:48 PM
Originally posted by KZarr:
I still can't believe that no one has posted in the "Give us DLC for PC" thread for over a month http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Whoever thought that thread would die?
SHUT UP YOU'LL JINX IT! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

And amen to the neutral point of view. Just because you have an opinion doesn't mean you don't have to understand the opposite opinion.

An_Idea
09-28-2009, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Danvish:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Eidos releases all their games on all platforms simultaneously every time. Including Batman: Arkham Asylum, which got pirated anyway but Eidos didn't care. And they still made loads of money from it.

You know, I'm begining to wonder if Ubisoft did make a secret deal with Microsoft and Sony.
Otherwise I have no explenation for it... it's true they sold 8 millions copy from the first one, and I think they could sell even more on this one if they didn't postpone this one. I mean after all, the people who bought it the first time was planning on buying it also this time, right? (what I mean is, they plan on buying it, not downloading it).

I do hope that many ACII fans won't buy the game from Ubisfot, but get it on other ways (legal ways ofc).

Also, if it's that much complicated to create a game for the PC, how come the consule version costs a lot more? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

you know, when i first heard about the delay that was the first thing i thought, although im probably wrong, AC2 is a high profile game, high profile enough to come out a week after MW2 and expect to make money. the advertising would have cost a lot so it seems odd that they would push the PC date back so much, even if it is because of piracy. it's inevitable that they will lose money so it had me thinking. maybe Ubi made a deal with Msoft and Sony in an attempt to boost more sales. but i would have thought the price drops did a fair job at that, oh well i have a 360 and my comp sux but, Ubi really should be so dou***y about this

sm312
09-28-2009, 11:25 PM
Hey guys I'm not a pc gamer at all but still I feel for you delaying a game that you are so hyped for like another 4-5 months and still releasing it on something else I'd be pretty ****ed myself but guys don't you want the game to be epic and awesome and gorgeous?

Xanatos2007
09-28-2009, 11:48 PM
A suggestion for PC exclusives (if it's still going to be released in 2010):
- Dual, working hidden blades (minus the gun obviously, or at least something better than a hooded shirt or a poster (unless it was an EPIC Ezio replica tunic))
- Exclusive ACIII content (teasers, the webcam-holographic thing, etc)
- A shipload of extra gameplay & story features

The MW2 prestige edition comes with a pair of NVGs, why shouldn't we get something incredibly cool as well? It'd be kinda hard to copy+paste a pair of hidden blades, Ubi would make a lot of money from it. And gameplay, story & ACIII content would make up for all the hype and awesomeness that us PCers missed.

Does anybody else agree that it would make up for being 5 months late to the party and give us a little party of our own? (consolers welcome, if you're bothered to buy another copy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

sm312
09-28-2009, 11:58 PM
Yeah Xan the ACIII content sounds plausible since they started working on AC2 in JAN. 2008

danial_refahi
09-29-2009, 12:03 AM
come on nothing can make us to wait about 5 month if they give us ac3 with ac2 in release day but i want to play it next month my gooooooood who is responsible for this ?
the game was finish in next 2 week http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

sm312
09-29-2009, 12:11 AM
Yeah I hate that a game gets done like a month before but like yeah they package and stuff which takes a long time but like if the retailer gets it two weeks b4 they should be able to sell it but I think Ubi would suffer a loss right? And loss means no ACIII well maybe and you got to respect their whole marketing technique which is working cause I can't freaking wait for this game!
PS if I ever have a mistake in grammar it's because I'm usually on my phone and it's a tiny screen so sorry!

Xanatos2007
09-29-2009, 12:56 AM
<span class="ev_code_WHITE"><pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre"> As long as we can still read it it's fine. </pre></span>

sm312
09-29-2009, 01:07 AM
Yeah funny I really had to get close To read that!

MinscTheHunter
09-29-2009, 01:23 AM
Originally posted by KZarr:
I still can't believe that no one has posted in the "Give us DLC for PC" thread for over a month http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif Whoever thought that thread would die?

I started the DLC thread, and my question has already answered itself. The way Ubisoft is treating their PC customers, the PC version of the game will probably sell poorly, they will blame piracy, and they will see no reason to release any kind of DLC for PC. If you're very lucky, some of the DLC released on the consoles before March 2010 may make it into the release of the PC version. But whatever the results, it no longer matters to me... I'm not going to buy this game anyway. With PoP I gave Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt because they decided to forego the copy protection (I really hoped they were changing). I was sorely disappointed when they refused to release the DLC on PC. This delay proves that they still feel the same about the PC version, so I'm not making the same mistake twice. Until they prove otherwise, Ubisoft doesn't deserve my money.

And about buying a console:
Where does it end? So a game doesn't get released on PC and you buy an Xbox. Then you see a Wii exclusive game that you really like, and you buy a Wii. Then there's a DS exclusive, you buy a DS. Where does it end? How many consoles is enough? Some will buy one and still miss out on a lot of great games, some will buy them all and spend a lot of money and end up with a whole stack of consoles, most of which they'll hardly use. And some (like me) will say that 0 is enough. I don't *need* to play every single nice game out there. For me it's enough to be able to play only the great games that are released on PC. If it's not released on PC, then I don't need it. After all, they're only games! And I will definitely not let a company like Ubisoft, who messed up their PC ports and ignores the interests of their PC gamers time after time, convince me to buy a console. Instead, I will simply not buy their games at all until they show their potential PC customers some respect. And if that means that eventually they decide to get out of the PC market altogether, then sobeit.

PS: the only reason I'm still hanging around on this forum, is my curiosity about Ubi's next step (and awaiting their 'official confirmation' of the twitter post). I have long lost interest in all the posts describing the content and features of this game.

Xanatos2007
09-29-2009, 01:33 AM
KZarr was talking about the Prince of Persia DLC thread, not the AC one.

And does anybody agree that the PC exclusives (previous post) will make the 5 month wait worth it? If Ubisoft - by some insanely wild chance - does what I mentioned above to the letter I'll actually be looking forward to 2010.

MinscTheHunter
09-29-2009, 01:51 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
And does anybody agree that the PC exclusives (previous post) will make the 5 month wait worth it?

No, not really. Apart from the facts that it would probably p*ss off several console players and that actual blades inside the box would make the game illegal in several European countries, I'd much rather have the game in November and additional content along the way (at a small charge).

Typhonahriman
09-29-2009, 01:51 AM
I hope it is worth the wait. If it's going to take 5 months, how about adding a new city or full area, or some weapons and new npcs? I'd be fine if they release it on consoles as purchasable DLC at the same time.

Another thing to consider is the price. They can't expect to sell us the PC version for full price unless it does have much much more content than the console versions, which will be selling at half the cost, if that.

That being said, how will the limited editions work? I've pre-ordered the black edition, and I wouldn't want to pay $130 for some extras that would probably be available for $30 on eBay.

Xanatos2007
09-29-2009, 01:54 AM
Not exactly sure, hopefully they'll come up with something.

@Minsc: It doesn't have to be dual hidden blades exactly, it could be a badass authentic Ezio tunic like I suggested as well.

Firewaterearth
09-29-2009, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
And about buying a console:
Where does it end? So a game doesn't get released on PC and you buy an Xbox.

And after hating the PC, Ubisoft will hate the Xbox, because it is pretty easy to pirate. Don't forget there are even Wii emulators by now.


I won't get a console either, as I said before: I'm not supporting this PC user=pirate! mentality.
Also, the console exclusive stuff seems to mostly consist of weird Japanese games, in which I have no interest. Only the good stuff makes it on the PC.

Ubisoft is really being cheeky if they will ask the full price for a 5 month old game.

POPersiaT2T
09-29-2009, 03:38 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
PS: the only reason I'm still hanging around on this forum, is my curiosity about Ubi's next step (and awaiting their 'official confirmation' of the twitter post).

+1

Xanatos2007
09-29-2009, 04:02 AM
I'm still hoping that it's all just some cruel practical joke for some scientific study of some kind on people's behaviours (AC fans in particular).

I hope it is... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

BSoD
09-29-2009, 04:16 AM
Come to think of it, Ubisoft never really gave any info on the delay at all. (Unless you consider the measly twitter post that they posted). It's reported in some of the articles e.g IGN, But they didn't even post it on their own forums?! That's ridiculous. 1 Post on Twitter and that's it? No explanation, No official announcement on their forums. Even their homepage is not updated, PC released date, Fall 2009.

It's like they didn't want us to know, slip in quietly, change the date and when 17-20 November comes and PC AC2 wasn't released, they can claim they have change the date b4 hand.

You know that this s*** when you have to learn of delay from sites NOT belonging to UBI

Xanatos2007
09-29-2009, 04:21 AM
You're right, that is a bit strange...
Maybe some random hacker managed to hack Ubi's Twitter account and post that comment. If that's the case (which I'm hoping it is) we're sorry Ubi.

But that's unlikely, so 'gimme my damn AC2: BE PC already! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/sauer/angry-smiley-055.gif

BSoD
09-29-2009, 04:36 AM
You would think the least they could do is post it on their forums or even change the details official site. Maybe they don't have time for that but they can certainly ask any of the mod to post an official announcement on the forums and sticky it. TBH, if it wasn't for this thread, I'll probably still be left in the dark, anxiously waiting for 17-20 November to come, only to be superbly frustrated when it doesn't come.

Is it because the delay itself is unconfirmed? Or is there another reason? Can any of the mod clear this up as the delay seems to be an official one.

Firewaterearth
09-29-2009, 06:20 AM
An Austrian web shop has now updated the release date of the PC version, according to them it's the 15th February now.

BSoD
09-29-2009, 07:16 AM
It probably take 20+ days to ship from UK to UK as compared to shipping from UK to Austria. With the increasing amount of traffic, i don't blame them. The delivery trucks are going to get caught up in traffic and whatnot and that's gonna take about 20 days. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

On the more serious note, if any of the mod is reading this, please help us confirm the release date for AC 2 please. If it's still unknown, stating it would also be helpful. Thanks.

kleaneasy
09-29-2009, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by BSoD:
Come to think of it, Ubisoft never really gave any info on the delay at all. (Unless you consider the measly twitter post that they posted). It's reported in some of the articles e.g IGN, But they didn't even post it on their own forums?! That's ridiculous. 1 Post on Twitter and that's it? No explanation, No official announcement on their forums. Even their homepage is not updated, PC released date, Fall 2009.

It's like they didn't want us to know, slip in quietly, change the date and when 17-20 November comes and PC AC2 wasn't released, they can claim they have change the date b4 hand.

You know that this s*** when you have to learn of delay from sites NOT belonging to UBI

I was offline when the news hit, by the time I got home and was able to access the forums you’d already heard from the twitter and this thread was several pages long.

It seemed a little pointless creating a thread to say what you guys already knew, especially when I couldn’t shed any light on the delay etc.

Sorry if that was taken as not caring, I can assure you that isnt the case at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BSoD
09-29-2009, 03:50 PM
Originally posted by ms-kleaneasy:
I was offline when the news hit, by the time I got home and was able to access the forums you’d already heard from the twitter and this thread was several pages long.

It seemed a little pointless creating a thread to say what you guys already knew, especially when I couldn’t shed any light on the delay etc.

Sorry if that was taken as not caring, I can assure you that isnt the case at all http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

That's not true. We still don't know if march 05 2010 is the absolute official date for the pc version and of course, I'm still waiting for the reason for the delay, if it is really due to piracy or something else altogether.

caswallawn_2k7
09-29-2009, 04:06 PM
BSoD you missing the point of Ms K's post, she is basically saying she only knows as much as us. the mods can request information but the devs will only give what they want released, so until the devs decide what they are doing fully I wouldn't expect much more input on the subject.

BSoD
09-29-2009, 04:37 PM
No no, i didn't misread her post. All I'm trying to say in my previous post is that we don't know much about the delay and creating a sticky thread where Ms k can update once there is new information is helpful to everyone.

Xanatos2007
09-29-2009, 10:30 PM
I just got off the phone with 'Owen from Ubisoft' and he stated that Assassin's Creed 2 for the PC was being delayed because of quality issues (a lot more compatability work needs to be done, compared to the consoles) so it looks like Cas was right on that one. He didn't find out about it until we all did, so everyone at his department was quite dissappointed as well. I asked if he knew if Ubisoft had anything planned for the PC edition to make up for the delay, he wasn't sure but speculated that the DLC for the console versions might come free with the PC edition. He also informed me of a Ubisoft conference happening next Tuesday night, which Patrice will attend. And so will I http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-049.gif . I'll keep you guys posted if I find out anyting new.

An_Idea
09-29-2009, 10:57 PM
poor owen, he probably gets lotsa people mad at him :P

MinscTheHunter
09-30-2009, 01:49 AM
Looks like most of the 'common' Ubisoft employees were as unaware of the upcoming delay as we were. I'm really curious what Patrice will have to say about it, as he seems to be one of the few people who were aware of the delay long before it was 'officially' announced (though I still find it difficult to accept Ubisoft chatter on the twitter channel as an official announcement).

So thanks in advance for your efforts at that conference, Xanatos.

Xanatos2007
09-30-2009, 01:56 AM
Found out what's happening at the evening:

<span class="ev_code_RED">See:</span> Sneak peek at the Assassin’s Creed short film
<span class="ev_code_RED">Play:</span> Assassin’s Creed II
<span class="ev_code_RED">Meet:</span> Creative Director Patrice Desilets

Probably no cameras allowed, but I'll take notes.

POPersiaT2T
09-30-2009, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
I'm really curious what Patrice will have to say about it, as he seems to be one of the few people who were aware of the delay long before it was 'officially' announced

yeah, how come he's the only one who already knew about the delay in the development team?

Xanatos2007
09-30-2009, 03:49 AM
Because he's in legue with the crazy tin-foil hat wearing nutjobs from Abstergo!
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/9268/tinfoil.jpg
Couldn't resist. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

BSoD
09-30-2009, 04:21 AM
So the delay wasn't caused by their fear of pirates then, it's due to quality control. Is there any chance of the delay being shorten or is it fixed?

Well now, i guess we kinda owe Ubisoft an apology, scolding them thinking that the delay is due to pirates. They have a authentic reason for the delay and if Xanatos is right, the delay couldn't be helped.

Xanatos2007
09-30-2009, 04:25 AM
@BSoD: But they're still accountable for not being honest in the first place. Why'd they wait until now to tell us about the delay? I'll talk to Patrice and get the facts if I can.

MinscTheHunter
09-30-2009, 04:38 AM
Originally posted by BSoD:
So the delay wasn't caused by their fear of pirates then, it's due to quality control

You sure are easily convinced. As far as I'm concerned, nothing has changed yet. Just because the official message on Twitter says it's quality control issues (it said so from the start!), and an Ubisoft employee who heard about the delay at the same time we did (and probably from the same source) says so too, doesn't make it any more true today than it was yesterday.

Fact is that Patrice Desilets, the creative director of the game (a function that obviously gives him inside info that others don't have), already spoke of the upcoming delay to some journalists during the Gamescon in Cologne, and he was very clear that the reason for the delay was piracy. So no, Owen didn't convince me... I'll be looking forward to what Patrice himself has to say about all this and especially about that statement at the Gamescon.

Besides, let's be fair... delaying a game for 6 months because of some last minute quality issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif After such an extensive QA cycle, what could suddenly come up so close to the release date that can't be solved in a few days, weeks at most and that they weren't aware of much earlier?

BSoD
09-30-2009, 05:36 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSoD:
So the delay wasn't caused by their fear of pirates then, it's due to quality control

You sure are easily convinced. As far as I'm concerned, nothing has changed yet. Just because the official message on Twitter says it's quality control issues (it said so from the start!), and an Ubisoft employee who heard about the delay at the same time we did (and probably from the same source) says so too, doesn't make it any more true today than it was yesterday.

Fact is that Patrice Desilets, the creative director of the game (a function that obviously gives him inside info that others don't have), already spoke of the upcoming delay to some journalists during the Gamescon in Cologne, and he was very clear that the reason for the delay was piracy. So no, Owen didn't convince me... I'll be looking forward to what Patrice himself has to say about all this and especially about that statement at the Gamescon.

Besides, let's be fair... delaying a game for 6 months because of some last minute quality issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif After such an extensive QA cycle, what could suddenly come up so close to the release date that can't be solved in a few days, weeks at most and that they weren't aware of much earlier? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm just giving Ubisoft the benefit of the doubt atm. Once Xanatos provides more info, then i'll be able to see if it's true or false. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

moqqy
09-30-2009, 06:21 AM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BSoD:
So the delay wasn't caused by their fear of pirates then, it's due to quality control

You sure are easily convinced. As far as I'm concerned, nothing has changed yet. Just because the official message on Twitter says it's quality control issues (it said so from the start!), and an Ubisoft employee who heard about the delay at the same time we did (and probably from the same source) says so too, doesn't make it any more true today than it was yesterday.

Fact is that Patrice Desilets, the creative director of the game (a function that obviously gives him inside info that others don't have), already spoke of the upcoming delay to some journalists during the Gamescon in Cologne, and he was very clear that the reason for the delay was piracy. So no, Owen didn't convince me... I'll be looking forward to what Patrice himself has to say about all this and especially about that statement at the Gamescon.

Besides, let's be fair... delaying a game for 6 months because of some last minute quality issues? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif After such an extensive QA cycle, what could suddenly come up so close to the release date that can't be solved in a few days, weeks at most and that they weren't aware of much earlier? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. I'm surprised Xanatos fell for that so easily.

OBVIOUSLY an Ubisoft employee will say it's because of "quality control".. especially if he is "just" a developer.

I say this is just a tactic so PC gamers wouldn't get mad at Ubi.

Oh, it's a month until release.. let's delay the game by 6 months because of some bugs!

Makes no sense at all. How the HELL would it take that long to fix ANY bug(s)? You could make a new game in that time. And how would they know it takes that long? Instead, they could have announced a "possible delay of the PC version for perhaps 2-4 weeks" if it was really a quality control issue.

POPersiaT2T
09-30-2009, 07:32 AM
as we all knew that Patrice seems to know that PC version will get a delay from the GC interview's trailer. if there is any bugs, they should have fixed it by now. a development team made up of 250 developers cant even fix the bugs by now?? i wonder how they can even develop a sequel in less than 1 year time period and release it on console while they cant release it on PC. yet they expect ppl to believe that they are going to deliver a best quality game for PC gamers. btw, 5 months delay just to fix the compability on the PC?? thats ridiculous. In fact, they dont dare to announce the actual reason that causes the delay of PC version is due to piracy.

Maybe they are planning to cancel the AC3 PC version by giving us the reason that the sales of AC2 on PC is bad. I gonna say that UBI sucks at treating PC gamers, even other game companies knew how to treat their customers right.

the amolang
09-30-2009, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Found out what's happening at the evening:

<span class="ev_code_RED">See:</span> Sneak peek at the Assassin’s Creed short film
<span class="ev_code_RED">Play:</span> Assassin’s Creed II
<span class="ev_code_RED">Meet:</span> Creative Director Patrice Desilets

Probably no cameras allowed, but I'll take notes.

hey xanatos maybe you should take a notebook full of questions for the ubi guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

one that I would really like you to ask is something I just realized. You see, I have a younger brother and he is not at the age of playing violent, bloody games. and I was wondering if there is an option to turn off the blood like the first one.
When I play my brother always watches me, and if there is no option to turn off then I will have less time to play the game (that doesn't mean that he is allowed to watch me when I am fighting in game anyways, but its a safety precaution) as he is often around when I play my games (and my parents are not happy to see him watching a bloody game or a game with too much violence) and not to mention it will be harder for my parents to allow the game into the household with my brother around. So basically, my parents don't allow anything too bloody/gory into the house because of him.
Just a small thing right? Just say, "Blood/gore on/off switch?" http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

florisz1990
09-30-2009, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
as we all knew that Patrice seems to know that PC version will get a delay from the GC interview's trailer. if there is any bugs, they should have fixed it by now. a development team made up of 250 developers cant even fix the bugs by now?? i wonder how they can even develop a sequel in less than 1 year time period and release it on console while they cant release it on PC. yet they aspect ppl to believe that they are going to deliver a best quality game for PC gamers. btw, 5 months delay just to fix the compability on the PC?? thats ridiculous. In fact, they dont dare to announce the actual reason that causes the delay of PC version is due to piracy.


Know that there are bugs in games that are very hard to solver for developers http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fallacy2009
09-30-2009, 10:28 AM
I can't understand why they're making it THAT long... my console owning friends are gonna kill me when they get it and I have to wait half a year after they get it. I wouldn't care if it was 2 months or something like that but half a year is way long

Backadd
09-30-2009, 12:40 PM
lol, almost all my irl friends who pre-order ac2 bought pc version http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif Going to be fun to talk about how fun AC2 is while they w8 for pc version http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/winky.gif.... if they dont buy xbox/PS3 version to... wich i think alot of them are going to do.... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

Xanatos2007
09-30-2009, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by amolang:
hey xanatos maybe you should take a notebook full of questions for the ubi guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I was thinking about that.

Anyway, I'll ask about the delay. As Owen said he and his crew found out at the same time as us and they were told it was because of <whatever Cas said>. I asked him why didn't Ubisoft tell us earlier and he didn't know, he said something about the Ubisoft managers being in a seperate department than the production team (or something like that, couldn't hear him quite clearly because my phone is about 100 years old). I'll try and get the facts from Patrice. These are the three main questions I'll ask:

1. Why exactly is the PC version being delayed until 2010?
2. Why did Ubisoft wait until now to tell us?
3. What is Ubisoft planning to do to make up for making PC gamers "5 months late to the party"?
<STRIKE>4. What do you think of Billy Connolly's new ING commercials?</STRIKE>

(I'm tempted to do a Chaser's 'Mr. Ten Questions' http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif)

An_Idea
09-30-2009, 07:22 PM
i wanna go to the meeting http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/sadeyes.gif

moqqy
09-30-2009, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by amolang:
hey xanatos maybe you should take a notebook full of questions for the ubi guys http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

he said something about the Ubisoft managers being in a seperate department than the production team (or something like that </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

And this is news to you? 99% of Ubi's staff doesn't need to know the real reason of the delay.

Xanatos2007
09-30-2009, 10:23 PM
I'm not really into big coprorations, but it's not really surprising that 99% of the employees don't know what's going on.

the amolang
09-30-2009, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
These are the three main questions I'll ask:

1. Why exactly is the PC version being delayed until 2010?
2. Why did Ubisoft wait until now to tell us?
3. What is Ubisoft planning to do to make up for making PC gamers "5 months late to the party"?
<STRIKE>4. What do you think of Billy Connolly's new ING commercials?</STRIKE>


and don't forget my question remember http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif haha, its okay if you can't... but if you CAN then it would be nice to know. not something that will change me getting the game, but it would be nice to know...

MinscTheHunter
09-30-2009, 11:06 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
These are the three main questions I'll ask:

1. Why exactly is the PC version being delayed until 2010?
2. Why did Ubisoft wait until now to tell us?
3. What is Ubisoft planning to do to make up for making PC gamers "5 months late to the party"?
<STRIKE>4. What do you think of Billy Connolly's new ING commercials?</STRIKE>


You can combine (1) and (2) into one question by phrasing it something like this:

"At Gamescon in Cologne you already told some journalists that AC2 would get delayed because of piracy. Then why did it take until now before the delay was officially announced?"

In addition to asking (1) and (2), this will also confront him with his own statement at Gamescon - let's see if he denies the piracy part (I'm afraid that if you just ask him your (1) he will just give you the official reply).

Before you ask (3), I would also ask if he can tell us the new release date (as we still don't know that for sure)

And in addition to your (3), can I sneak in one related question:

5. Can you guarantee the PC players that any DLC that is released on the consoles *after* the PC version is released, will also be released for the PC?

the amolang
09-30-2009, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
if there is any bugs, they should have fixed it by now. a development team made up of 250 developers cant even fix the bugs by now??

But do you expect all the developers are working on the PC version? The console versions haven't been finished either, so some still need to finish polishing and refining the game.

Xanatos2007
10-01-2009, 12:03 AM
Right now I think they've just got one guy on a computer and a stack of CDs going "insert disc, copy, paste, wait 2.5hrs, insert new disc..." http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

The three questions I listed were my three main questions, I'll try and get as much info as I can about the game. Other questions I had in mind were:

When's the new official PC release date? (as Minsc said)
Is there a blood on/off option? (for Amolang)
Is the game becoming more "adult" or is still primarily focused on teenagers, or both?
How many hours of gameplay can players expect?
Will PC players still be forced to pay full price for a 5 month old game?
When can we expect to hear about ACIII?
Can I at least have my copy of ACII for PC? (as if that would work http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif)

In addition to this I might also make some suggestions for PC improvements. The evening starts at 6:00pm (Sydney timezone) and finishes... hopefully never.

the amolang
10-01-2009, 12:14 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
How many hours of gameplay can players expect?


make sure you ask how many hours of gameplay in TOTAL. including all the story missions, side quests, catacombs, etc.

I notice that a lot of the questions like this often get answered with the "27 hour story and five hour catacombs" answer. but I want to know the whole package...

and whatever amount of time he says I am sure it will be at least double for me cause I am going to just be running around all the time making sure I see everything and just messing with the guards, civilians and just free running everywhere http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

POPersiaT2T
10-01-2009, 12:29 AM
Originally posted by amolang:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
if there is any bugs, they should have fixed it by now. a development team made up of 250 developers cant even fix the bugs by now??

But do you expect all the developers are working on the PC version? The console versions haven't been finished either, so some still need to finish polishing and refining the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Arent they using the PC to develop the game?? or u expect me to believe that they are using the consoles to develop the game?? Btw, consoles version included PS3 and Xbox 360. How come they can even finish BOTH of the consoles version and release them on time but they cant do it for PC??

Xanatos2007
10-01-2009, 12:29 AM
They generally tend to say the game is longer than it really is; Far Cry 2 was said to have about 100hrs of gameplay but I finished it in about 24hrs, including side-missions. I'll make that question a bit more comprehensive though, like how much can we expect in TOTAL for the regular vs. Black editions (probably not a lot, but oh well).

z0nnebril
10-01-2009, 12:34 AM
I have somewhere read that the new release dat for the PC is 5 March http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

the amolang
10-01-2009, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by amolang:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
if there is any bugs, they should have fixed it by now. a development team made up of 250 developers cant even fix the bugs by now??

But do you expect all the developers are working on the PC version? The console versions haven't been finished either, so some still need to finish polishing and refining the game. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Arent they using the PC to develop the game?? or u expect me to believe that they are using the consoles to develop the game?? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

of course they are using the PC to develop it, but the coding is different for the PC game and the console versions. thats why some games only come out with a PC version later as they need to "translate" it to the PC.

Xanatos2007
10-01-2009, 12:38 AM
Consoles have the same configuration for every unit, while PCs generally tend to have thousands of different hardware and software configurations. Still, they could've just mentioned this earlier or release the game in November and have all the de-bugs as updates. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

@z0nnebril: It wasn't a direct quote from Ubisoft, and another site (can't remember which one) said the new date was 10th Febuary. I'll confirm with Patrice (provided they've confirmed it first).

POPersiaT2T
10-01-2009, 12:50 AM
Originally posted by amolang:
but the coding is different for the PC game and the console versions.

maybe i could expect u to tell me more about how they develop a game for console differently from PC since im curious about it.

Xanatos2007
10-01-2009, 12:59 AM
Try asking Caswallawn, he seems to know a bit about game development.

moqqy
10-01-2009, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by POPersiaT2T:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by amolang:
but the coding is different for the PC game and the console versions.

maybe i could expect u to tell me more about how they develop a game for console differently from PC since im curious about it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

The developing for PC and consoles is largely the same.. the difference only comes when you're adding the controls (which is really fast..) and when you're trying to make the PC version run on all the computers that are above minimum requirements.

MinscTheHunter
10-01-2009, 04:23 AM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
Consoles have the same configuration for every unit, while PCs generally tend to have thousands of different hardware and software configurations. Still, they could've just mentioned this earlier or release the game in November and have all the de-bugs as updates. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif


I agree, it's not like this is their first PC game! They must have known from the very start that supporting all the different PC configurations would take more time. I'm sure quite a bit of time was allocated for that in their schedule.

MinscTheHunter
10-01-2009, 08:53 AM
Originally posted by way2faded (in a separate thread):
i have a highend PC with 2 gtx295s currently... but i will end up buying it for 360 as im a huge AC fan.

Kind of ironic, actually. Several people are complaining about the PC delay, but in the meantime they do exactly what Ubisoft is aiming at... buy the console version. If sufficient people do this, then Ubisoft's delay strategy will have paid off, and they will repeat this again and again (or they may not even bother creating a PC version next time).

z0nnebril
10-01-2009, 02:53 PM
Originally posted by MinscTheHunter:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by way2faded (in a separate thread):
i have a highend PC with 2 gtx295s currently... but i will end up buying it for 360 as im a huge AC fan.

Kind of ironic, actually. Several people are complaining about the PC delay, but in the meantime they do exactly what Ubisoft is aiming at... buy the console version. If sufficient people do this, then Ubisoft's delay strategy will have paid off, and they will repeat this again and again (or they may not even bother creating a PC version next time). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That would be so wrong if they do that! With the PC the whole gaming world started! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

caswallawn_2k7
10-01-2009, 02:59 PM
With the PC the whole gaming world started!
the popularisation of gaming was with pong (the reason it is credited as the first video game despite it not actually being the first video game) and it was technically a arcade box/console.

Xanatos2007
10-01-2009, 06:58 PM
According to Good Game you're not a hardcore gamer unless you have a high-end PC. Which I totally agree with, since PC's can handle anything. The reason why F.E.A.R (at first) and Crysis were PC-exclusive wasn't because the developers couldn't be bothered to port the game, it was because consoles can't handle that much awesomeness. Which is why I'm surprisec ACII is coming to consoles... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

And may I remind everyone that Owen from Ubisoft really doesn't know anything about the delay and that the "DLC inclusion" was just pure speculation, no 'official' word from Ubi has been released yet. Just to clarify, if that's what some of you were thinking.

An_Idea
10-01-2009, 10:03 PM
well i guess im not a "hardcore" gamer then. i dun really care. i use ma laptop for the web and homework. dont really need it for anything else. i have my 360 for that. and my wii http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif

MinscTheHunter
10-01-2009, 11:33 PM
Whether or not the PC is vital to the whole gaming experience, is actually besides the point here (and is just a matter of opinion, I guess). Fact is, that a lot of people want AC2 for PC, and a lot of people would even buy the PC version, if that weren't delayed so much. No matter how you look at it, the delay will seriously hurt the sales of the PC version.

MinscTheHunter
10-01-2009, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by Xanatos2007:
And may I remind everyone that Owen from Ubisoft really doesn't know anything about the delay and that the "DLC inclusion" was just pure speculation, no 'official' word from Ubi has been released yet. Just to clarify, if that's what some of you were thinking.

In addition, I doubt that Owen is even one of the developers who worked on this game, right?

But actually, including the DLC in the PC version makes a lot of sense. Think about it:

* Ubisoft releases the version for consoles in November. The PC version is delayed, because they truly believe that if they release that version at the same time, lots of people will just copy the PC version instead of buying the game themselves. By delaying the PC version, they know that more people will buy the console versions instead (they just ignore the fact that they will also anger several PC gamers who will now not buy the game at all).

* In the months after that, Ubisoft will release DLC for the consoles. They still haven't figured out how to release DLC for PC without it getting pirated more than it actually sells, but they don't have to worry about the PC DLC as the PC version hasn't even been released yet. So they also don't have to worry about angering PC players by not releasing DLC for PC at all.

* After a few months, sales for AC2 slowly start to sink in, and people (and gaming sites/magazines) start to forget about it.

* Then the PC version is released, "Director's Cut", including all the DLC that was already released on the consoles. It will still get pirated, but it will also result in some more AC2 sales (this time on PC) and media attention, putting AC2 in the spotlight again, which may even result in a few more sales for the consoles as well (those who didn't buy the game before).

So from the narrow viewpoint of Ubisoft, delaying the PC version is a win-win situation. And they have absolutely no intention of putting a large team on it that spends those 5 months testing and bugfixing the PC version, as that would cost them more than they expect to gain from it.

desonnac0
10-02-2009, 12:18 AM
@ Minsc - you're 100% rihgt man... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif