PDA

View Full Version : Development team Spitfire Charts READ!!!!



flockzap
02-11-2004, 04:01 PM
Just check it out...
Dont tell us afterwards that u guys did not have the datahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spitv.html

flockzap
02-11-2004, 04:01 PM
Just check it out...
Dont tell us afterwards that u guys did not have the datahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spitv.html

flockzap
02-11-2004, 04:26 PM
Bumpsas

VW-IceFire
02-11-2004, 04:33 PM
Spitfires have to have been one of the best tested aircraft of the war. The benefit to us is that its all in English and fairly well available to us...the total opposite of many important tests done for Russian aircraft.

I'm sure there is no shortage of details on the Spits. Tempests and Typhoons are harder to find.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
The New IL2 Database is Coming Soon!

Zen--
02-11-2004, 04:40 PM
I hope you guys get good and accurate modelling...sincerely I do.


Thanks for posting the charts too!

-Zen-
Formerly TX-Zen

No601_Zulu
02-12-2004, 10:34 AM
Icefire did you know that today there is only one surviving Tempest/Typhoon, and thats in a Museum. Thats according to the book "Fighter Aircraft of WII" If that is true, how tragic after its huge contribution, especially post D Day.

Off topic a little but the Typhoon/Tempest is one I can not wait to fly in IL-2FB

Oleg_Maddox
02-12-2004, 11:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flockzap:
Just check it out...
Dont tell us afterwards that u guys did not have the datahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spitv.html&lt;HR&gt;&lt;/BLOCKQUOTE&gt; (http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spitv.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>)

First of you should tell it us much early.
Second, we have it and even much much more.

Don't tell us that you din't read my answer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oleg_Maddox
02-12-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Spitfires have to have been one of the best tested aircraft of the war. The benefit to us is that its all in English and fairly well available to us...the total opposite of many important tests done for Russian aircraft.

I'm sure there is no shortage of details on the Spits. Tempests and Typhoons are harder to find.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
The New IL2 Database is Coming Soon!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In contradiction I think other. Uk test are non systematic, had a lot of mixed data for different types of planes, etc... You will never find such things in German and Russian data. However I agree that for Spitfires there are a lot of data. Except the good blueprints that will explain all the differences say only for Vb..... Also except good, situable for modelling blueprints of cockpit. Even in RAF.
Hwever for BoB we found all such things very useful. They are in use for AEP as well.

The picts that you see in update are not the last and the cockpit already reworked. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VOL_Mountain
02-12-2004, 11:11 AM
flockzap,

I believe Oleg is more receptive to suggestions when given his due respect.

Mtn.

biggs222
02-13-2004, 10:38 AM
"Cockpit already reworked"

woohoo!

VW-IceFire
02-13-2004, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Spitfires have to have been one of the best tested aircraft of the war. The benefit to us is that its all in English and fairly well available to us...the total opposite of many important tests done for Russian aircraft.

I'm sure there is no shortage of details on the Spits. Tempests and Typhoons are harder to find.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
The New IL2 Database is Coming Soon!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In contradiction I think other. Uk test are non systematic, had a lot of mixed data for different types of planes, etc... You will never find such things in German and Russian data. However I agree that for Spitfires there are a lot of data. Except the good blueprints that will explain all the differences say only for Vb..... Also except good, situable for modelling blueprints of cockpit. Even in RAF.
Hwever for BoB we found all such things very useful. They are in use for AEP as well.

The picts that you see in update are not the last and the cockpit already reworked. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Absolutely right...I've seen alot more in terms of the subjective testing or specific testing without other parts of the data (ie. sometimes there is pilot comments rather than specific data). In terms of the Spitfires it seems like there was alot of minor differences between aircraft...there was alot of modifications done in the field (ie. the Mark V's sent to Malta had 4 cannons...two which were removed on arrival) or minor changes made during production. It seemed like the prevailing attitude was that modifications would be made but only as long as they didn't disrupt production.

But my initial feeling is that there is lots of data...I'm sure you'll be able to extrapolate that into a relatively realistic impression of what the fighter was like overall. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yes there appears to be only a very small number of Tempests and Typhoons around. There is a Typhoon Mk IB in a museum somewhere and a Tempest Mark II. Not sure if there is stil a V or a VI still around. But the flight data on these are VERY hard to come by...I was doing a bit of research for Alex Voicu regarding things like wartime ammo loads and if spring roll tabs were standard on Series 2 Tempest V or no. It seems that 200 rpg inboard and outboard on the wartime Tempest V's (the numbers were ramped back after the war to 140/150) and that spring roll tabs were fitted to only some aircraft and not others. Even post war Tempest II's don't have them installed all the time. Even so...the luminar flow wing on the Tempest V gives a much superior roll rate (somewhere close to the same as the Bf 109G according to pilot comments) over the Typhoon 1B which was slower in roll rate (still faster than the Zero from what I can tell).

Thanks for responding Oleg...always interesting.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/temp_sig1.jpg
The New IL2 Database is Coming Soon!

flockzap
02-13-2004, 05:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oleg_Maddox:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flockzap:
Just check it out...
Dont tell us afterwards that u guys did not have the datahttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.fourthfightergroup.com/eagles/spitv.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First of you should tell it us much early.
Second, we have it and even much much more.

Don't tell us that you din't read my answer. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thx for the reply Oleg its always good to know that u keep a sharp track of things.
I already posted this before but never got a proper reply not even a guy bouncing with some kind of interest on it... so when I saw that the Spit woulf finally be out I tryed again.
But if helps in some way feel free to use it... if not trash it

Nevertheless when I got something of interest I will post it for the comunity sake http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

BerkshireHunt
02-15-2004, 04:48 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by VW-IceFire:

I'm sure there is no shortage of details on the Spits. Tempests and Typhoons are harder to find.

I wonder how well Oleg understands the British set up. Manufacturers would carry out their own tests and these would be verified or contradicted by Boscombe Down Experimental Centre or the Royal Aircraft Establishment.
The manufacturers' data has in some cases found its way to British Aerospace archives, which as I understand it, are not easily accessible- you need to know an employee who is prepared to do some digging on your behalf. There have been articles about this in Aeroplane magazine (re the difficulty of tracking down constructional drawings for British bombers).
Where the test establishment data has ended up I don't know. Given the British predilection for secrecy it wouldn't surprise me if it's still classified. In other words the information is there but it's not deposited in one place.
Generally, if you want more information on something as obscure as spring tab Tempest ailerons you can do no better than write to the above magazine. If they publish your letter it's quite likely that an RAF veteran or archivist will respond- a lot of air historians read it (e.g Bill Gunston, Alfred Price, Chas Bowyer) and someone will know the answer.
Aeroplane occasionally run articles on the development of computer flight sims (including IL2) so I'm sure they will be sympathetic to appeals.