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stalkervision
03-09-2007, 08:30 AM
A rare event indeed. Watch this 109 E model maneuver through turns and then say it doesn't turn well..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Bmw_3U2TU&mode=related&search=

berg417448
03-09-2007, 09:02 AM
What turns?

Nice to see a flying 109E.

Klemm.co
03-09-2007, 09:10 AM
Yeah, what turns? But the sound! It is just gorgeous! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/inlove.gif I wanna have that in BoB!!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

p-11.cAce
03-09-2007, 09:16 AM
Beautiful - love the sound! Not sure this video proves much - I'm a luftfanboi anyway and the -109 is imho the most beautiful military aircraft ever.

Biggles2111
03-09-2007, 09:18 AM
Sounds great !!!

ploughman
03-09-2007, 09:23 AM
That's great! Sounds almost as good as a merlin.

Did you hear the guy saying to his daughter..."[the P-47's]...alot bigger than that little yellow nosed bast@rd."

Priceless.

Kurfurst__
03-09-2007, 09:26 AM
WOW, that T-bolt is BIG! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 10:43 AM
Every fighter turns well. It's a pre-requisite. Some don't turn as well as others

stanford-ukded
03-09-2007, 10:48 AM
The 109E is by far the best looking 109 in my opinion.

Push come to shove though, I believe the Dora is the best looking German aircraft of the era. Beautiful plane.

arjisme
03-09-2007, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by berg417448:
What turns?

Nice to see a flying 109E. Why it made a fine left turn on its way to the runway. 'Course the P-47s had no problem following. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Treetop64
03-09-2007, 11:05 AM
Though we all know that the 47 is a big device, it's still amazing to see just how much bigger it is than the 109.

Funny hearing the background conversation between the parents and their kids:

"Stop it! I had just about enough...(indescernable)"

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 01:20 PM
Ed Russel's 109E is very beautiful indeed. I skinned that puppy not very long ago:

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/photos_original/EdRussell109.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

F0_Dark_P
03-09-2007, 03:42 PM
Eh?!...

did you guys get the same movie as me?!

EDIT: why did that link came up like that?!... wtf is wrong with my comp http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/compsmash.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

ploughman
03-09-2007, 03:45 PM
Er, no. And you probably want to remove that link really quickly.

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Skunk241981:
Ed Russel's 109E is very beautiful indeed. I skinned that puppy not very long ago:

http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/photos_original/EdRussell109.jpg

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My recollection is that this plane is WerkeNo. 3579, recovered from the former SOviet Union in the late 1990s, and is almost certainly a plane flown by Hans-Joachim Marseille. Somewhere I have a magazine article on it. I think it was one of the last issues of Warbirds Worldwide

VW-IceFire
03-09-2007, 04:17 PM
I've had the pleasure of getting somewhat close to this 109. Its a beautiful plane as are its stablemates (a Spitfire IX and a Hurricane XII) in Welland Ontario.

Hard to compare turn rates by just watching from the ground but I believe our virtual representation is pretty close.

smokincrater
03-09-2007, 04:23 PM
Has it got a benz powerplant?

Richardsen
03-09-2007, 04:24 PM
The aircraft is much more capable than you see in that video.

Here is some videos with some turning, but nothing special.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZXo0cZ_JaRE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bLd57T3rnEE

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3ZEYKzIeA3s
(Look 4.30min into the video)

stalkervision
03-09-2007, 04:41 PM
If one looks at the video right at the end there is one spot at the end where the 109 pulls a pretty good turn. I am sure it can do even better though.. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

DIRTY-MAC
03-09-2007, 05:03 PM
Bf 109 withought the yellow cowling looks alot meaner. They just look freaking deadly!

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 05:17 PM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:


My recollection is that this plane is WerkeNo. 3579, recovered from the former SOviet Union in the late 1990s, and is almost certainly a plane flown by Hans-Joachim Marseille. Somewhere I have a magazine article on it. I think it was one of the last issues of Warbirds Worldwide

You sir, are correct. This plane was flown by Hans-Joachim Marseilles. I also have a magazine article on this bird, which is what I used as reference to skin it. The mag is the October 2006 issue of Flight Journal.

I went looking through Flying Legends to see if anyone had skinned it, expecting all the bigger names might have done it, but surprisingly, after looking through all 300+ pages of 109 skins, no one had skinned it. Atleast not on FL.

I think I made a mistake when naming it though. I gave the file name JG52, but in the article it says the markings are those of JG2. Oddly I went with wikipedia's bio on Marseilles, where they say he was part of JG52 during the BoB. Maybe Luftwaffe experts can clarify...

Lurch1962
03-09-2007, 05:20 PM
I just wish that the ham-fisted amateurs videotaping these events would:

1) Use a good tripod for telephoto shots.

2) Not feel like they've gotta zoom in every time a plane flies by (a wider "establishing shot" often better conveys a sense of speed.)

3) Hold back on the pan shots when capturing, say, the flight line. A series of "still" shots is often more effective, and allows the eye to dwell on the subject (makes more effective use of time.)

--Lurch--

DHC2Pilot
03-09-2007, 05:25 PM
God I love that sound....that thing snarls, no, GROWLS at you. The only thing better is the sound of two or three mustangs in formation going by you at 2 or 3 hundred miles per hour. If Oleg does manage to get some realistic engine sounds in BoB that alone will make the sim a real jewel. I can't wait!!!

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by smokincrater:
Has it got a benz powerplant?

Absolutely, yes, and it is beautiful. Incidentally, the plane was restored to such exacting criteria that even the enormous machined blocks used to stress the aluminum correctly per manufacturer's spec were recreated and used in fabrication. This aircraft is a work of art

Somewhere online you should be able to see the hulk of the original wreck. The before and after pictures are just short of miraculous. The Emil is such a gorgeous plane

XyZspineZyX
03-09-2007, 06:59 PM
Originally posted by Skunk241981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:


My recollection is that this plane is WerkeNo. 3579, recovered from the former SOviet Union in the late 1990s, and is almost certainly a plane flown by Hans-Joachim Marseille. Somewhere I have a magazine article on it. I think it was one of the last issues of Warbirds Worldwide

You sir, are correct. This plane was flown by Hans-Joachim Marseilles. I also have a magazine article on this bird, which is what I used as reference to skin it. The mag is the October 2006 issue of Flight Journal.

I went looking through Flying Legends to see if anyone had skinned it, expecting all the bigger names might have done it, but surprisingly, after looking through all 300+ pages of 109 skins, no one had skinned it. Atleast not on FL.

I think I made a mistake when naming it though. I gave the file name JG52, but in the article it says the markings are those of JG2. Oddly I went with wikipedia's bio on Marseilles, where they say he was part of JG52 during the BoB. Maybe Luftwaffe experts can clarify... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am no Luftwaffe expert, but I know a top notch skin when I see one. Well done http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

VW-IceFire
03-09-2007, 08:15 PM
Originally posted by DHC2Pilot:
God I love that sound....that thing snarls, no, GROWLS at you. The only thing better is the sound of two or three mustangs in formation going by you at 2 or 3 hundred miles per hour. If Oleg does manage to get some realistic engine sounds in BoB that alone will make the sim a real jewel. I can't wait!!!
Agreed! Its absolutely wicked sounding...and when this 109 blows past you and then quickly followed by a Spitfire the effect is incredible.

Treetop64
03-09-2007, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DHC2Pilot:
God I love that sound....that thing snarls, no, GROWLS at you. The only thing better is the sound of two or three mustangs in formation going by you at 2 or 3 hundred miles per hour. If Oleg does manage to get some realistic engine sounds in BoB that alone will make the sim a real jewel. I can't wait!!!
Agreed! Its absolutely wicked sounding...and when this 109 blows past you and then quickly followed by a Spitfire the effect is incredible. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

For sure. Two distinctly different engine notes. Both raise the hairs on the back of your neck.

BadA1m
03-09-2007, 10:00 PM
Is that freakin' wonderful or what? Tanks fer posting.

Ruy Horta
03-10-2007, 01:14 AM
Great aircraft, both Emil and Thunderbolt are a joy.

The show is less original, almost silly, having a 1939-40 Emil being "chased" by a 1944 Thunderbolt.

StG2_Schlachter
03-10-2007, 03:31 AM
An Emil versus a bunch of bubble-top P-47.
Now that's not fair - for the P-47 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/784.gif

msalama
03-10-2007, 04:32 AM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif Extremely cool. Thanks for sharing. And those sounds indeed... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/metal.gif

And yeah, Emils rawk, but so do Jugs too! And just as Kurfürst said, the SIZE of those monsters http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fighter_966
03-10-2007, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Skunk241981:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by BBB462cid:


My recollection is that this plane is WerkeNo. 3579, recovered from the former SOviet Union in the late 1990s, and is almost certainly a plane flown by Hans-Joachim Marseille. Somewhere I have a magazine article on it. I think it was one of the last issues of Warbirds Worldwide

You sir, are correct. This plane was flown by Hans-Joachim Marseilles. I also have a magazine article on this bird, which is what I used as reference to skin it. The mag is the October 2006 issue of Flight Journal.

I went looking through Flying Legends to see if anyone had skinned it, expecting all the bigger names might have done it, but surprisingly, after looking through all 300+ pages of 109 skins, no one had skinned it. Atleast not on FL.

I think I made a mistake when naming it though. I gave the file name JG52, but in the article it says the markings are those of JG2. Oddly I went with wikipedia's bio on Marseilles, where they say he was part of JG52 during the BoB. Maybe Luftwaffe experts can clarify... </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am no Luftwaffe expert, but I know a top notch skin when I see one. Well done http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Marseille flew in BoB with 1jagd/lehrgeschwader 2 and got shot down few times +few kills .Before
transferring to Africa,he didnt flew in Easternfront.Btw that Me109 has Easternfront Regognition markings on its wings.. yellow tips...
I know that in bob some Squadrons had yellow cowlings but thats not for Easternfront but Squadrons own markings. Colors for fronts are Yellow for Eastern front.. White for Africa and Med.
Violet for defending Reich

XyZspineZyX
03-10-2007, 05:46 AM
Originally posted by fighter_966:


Marseille flew in BoB with 1jagd/lehrgeschwader 2 and got shot down few times +few kills .Before
transferring to Africa,he didnt flew in Easternfront.Btw that Me109 has Easternfront Regognition markings on its wings.. yellow tips...
I know that in bob some Squadrons had yellow cowlings but thats not for Easternfront but Squadrons own markings. Colors for fronts are Yellow for Eastern front.. White for Africa and Med.
Violet for defending Reich

While Marseille didn't fly on the Eastern front, that doesn't mean that this plane wouldn't have done so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The plane had been flown by Marseille. That is not to say that the plane was flown by Marseille on the Eastern Front, which is a very different thing

It seems to me you feel that it is being claimed that this plane was flown by Marseille during his duty on the Eastern front, which is not a claim that is being made.

the plane had been flown by Marseille in the past, and then it was lost in the Soviet Union. But not with Marseille at the controls

fighter_966
03-10-2007, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by BBB462cid:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by fighter_966:


Marseille flew in BoB with 1jagd/lehrgeschwader 2 and got shot down few times +few kills .Before
transferring to Africa,he didnt flew in Easternfront.Btw that Me109 has Easternfront Regognition markings on its wings.. yellow tips...
I know that in bob some Squadrons had yellow cowlings but thats not for Easternfront but Squadrons own markings. Colors for fronts are Yellow for Eastern front.. White for Africa and Med.
Violet for defending Reich

While Marseille didn't fly on the Eastern front, that doesn't mean that this plane wouldn't have done so http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The plane had been flown by Marseille. That is not to say that the plane was flown by Marseille on the Eastern Front, which is a very different thing

It seems to me you feel that it is being claimed that this plane was flown by Marseille during his duty on the Eastern front, which is not a claim that is being made.

the plane had been flown by Marseille in the past, and then it was lost in the Soviet Union. But not with Marseille at the controls </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks Ihave been corrected btw Nice skin ididnt say that first my secon time Id should have been corrected http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/11.gif

Zoring
03-10-2007, 09:28 AM
Wow, absolutley incredible, when you see those Jugs trailing after that tiny little 109, wow!

Love those yellow nose, and that sound is awesome. If only i could see a 109 somewhere in Australia! sigh.

cawimmer430
03-10-2007, 09:36 AM
If this 109E was flown by HJM, how did it end up in the USSR?

berg417448
03-10-2007, 01:39 PM
Originally posted by cawimmer430:
If this 109E was flown by HJM, how did it end up in the USSR?

Info here:

http://www.mucheswarbirds.com/WWIIALLIEDAXIS3.html

VMF-214_HaVoK
03-10-2007, 04:43 PM
The 109E is by far the best looking 109
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Great video. One I actually have not seen. The 109 will be at WW2 Weekend in Reading this year. Was pose to be there last year but weather was an issue.