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ddsflyer
10-18-2005, 07:16 PM
Computers with Pentium 4 processors may crash? What's with that? That is only about 2/3 of all the machines out there. How did they release a patch with such a bug? No thanks, I'll stay with 4.01.

VVaFFenPanZZeR
10-18-2005, 07:18 PM
Are u kidding me, you game without an AMD hahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........lolololo loLOLOLOLOLOLO noway HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Hiriyu
10-18-2005, 07:41 PM
Originally posted by VVaFFenPanZZeR:
Are u kidding me, you game without an AMD hahahahahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..........lolololo loLOLOLOLOLOLO noway HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/353.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/1241.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/354.gif

I'll show you mine if you show me yours: 3dm03 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=4273461) 3dm05 (http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1256535) http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

Te_Vigo
10-18-2005, 07:53 PM
Imteresting about the P4 bug?

I run a P4 and was trying the 4.02m update and no lock ups.....(yet)
I've only ever had one lock up period with previous updates

Spectre_USA
10-18-2005, 07:58 PM
Not to mention that there are *.dll's included to rectify
the situation. No probz...

Dexmeister
10-18-2005, 08:20 PM
Interesting tidbit of long-ago IL2 history...

I used to run a P4 and I couldn't get my 3D glasses to work. I finally isolated it to a P4-centric problem (confirmed with other P4 users), and decided to switch out my MOBO and go AMD.

Needless to say AMD is better, so it wasn't a tough decision http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VVaFFenPanZZeR
10-18-2005, 08:54 PM
rgr that, I just built another pc, and put a 64bittter in it, bad to the bone, thinking of running a dedicated pf server.

Brain32
10-19-2005, 03:57 AM
I'll show you mine if you show me yours: 3dm03 3dm05

Borrow me your card for the test and then we will see, 3DMarks are more GFX card dependant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
BTW: Very nice OC http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif, my friend has 2.8C but couldn't go above 3.5GHz stable. Those NorthwoodC are the best CPU's Intel ever produced...

SeaFireLIV
10-19-2005, 04:05 AM
Yep, saw it in the readme. I was always a bit unsure about getting an Athlon. Now I`m glad I did. Still, seems a little weird and unfortunate for the P4 chaps... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

JG53Frankyboy
10-19-2005, 04:35 AM
i have a P4 , and still no proplem running 4.02 !

Maple_Tiger
10-19-2005, 04:36 AM
Originally posted by ddsflyer:
Computers with Pentium 4 processors may crash? What's with that? That is only about 2/3 of all the machines out there. How did they release a patch with such a bug? No thanks, I'll stay with 4.01.


2/3 of all machines out there lol. Didn't AMD out sell Pentuim this year?

Ironman69
10-19-2005, 04:36 AM
rgr ..P4 here.. no probs. Been playing for past 3 days for hours and hours.

cueceleches
10-19-2005, 04:50 AM
As above, P4 here also and no problems so far.

arcadeace
10-19-2005, 05:03 AM
oh well, looks like a warning for that 0.001%... not much for AMD fanboys to hoot http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

310th Falcon
10-19-2005, 05:03 AM
No problem here with my P4. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


Best Regards

Kuna15
10-19-2005, 05:13 AM
I have AMD, but if I happen to have P4, I would do as they suggested in README in case of problems. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

JunkoIfurita
10-19-2005, 06:56 PM
AMD is great for gaming, sure. Perfect unless you plan to use your computer for ANYTHING other than running sturmovik.

Man, you should see AMD processors struggling with a 32-track Cakewalk Sonar project. It's not pretty.

Anyway, no problems so far with my P4 650, so I ain't complaining.

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Hiriyu
10-19-2005, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by Brain32:

Borrow me your card for the test and then we will see, 3DMarks are more GFX card dependant http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


You can borrow your own, mister http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif. But yes, you are right http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


BTW: Very nice OC http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif, my friend has 2.8C but couldn't go above 3.5GHz stable. Those NorthwoodC are the best CPU's Intel ever produced...

Thanks, and I agree. After this one, I'll likely go A64/PCIE/all the rest of it. Just wanted to point out that P4s aren't quite as bad as they're made out to be, and that they can run games just fine, thank you.

Never bothered to try 3D glasses. For shame http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

VW-IceFire
10-19-2005, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
AMD is great for gaming, sure. Perfect unless you plan to use your computer for ANYTHING other than running sturmovik.

Man, you should see AMD processors struggling with a 32-track Cakewalk Sonar project. It's not pretty.

Anyway, no problems so far with my P4 650, so I ain't complaining.

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I don't use that particular piece of software but one wonders what would be the huge difference between AMD and Intel on something like that.

For the AMD Athlon XP class (and consequently the early Semprons) you basically beat the comperable P4 on everything except memory performance. On the Athlon 64 there isn't much to choose from...some benefits from the hyperthreading in certain applications.

Some applications are optimized for specific features of Pentiums as well so there's some performance advantage http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Papa_K
10-19-2005, 08:13 PM
AMD here too...but I also haven't seen anyone with a P4 saying "I've got lockups with 4.02!" (at least not yet...maybe I missed it...).

Papa_K

Obi_Kwiet
10-19-2005, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
AMD is great for gaming, sure. Perfect unless you plan to use your computer for ANYTHING other than running sturmovik.

Man, you should see AMD processors struggling with a 32-track Cakewalk Sonar project. It's not pretty.

Anyway, no problems so far with my P4 650, so I ain't complaining.

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Were you useing an Athlon? A 64 is better than Intel in many non-gaming areas. And the X2s > *

fordfan25
10-19-2005, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by JunkoIfurita:
AMD is great for gaming, sure. Perfect unless you plan to use your computer for ANYTHING other than running sturmovik.

Man, you should see AMD processors struggling with a 32-track Cakewalk Sonar project. It's not pretty.

Anyway, no problems so far with my P4 650, so I ain't complaining.

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you can use a PC for something other than gameing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Dr...Watson
10-19-2005, 11:28 PM
No prob here on a P4 3.2

Tried the patch last night, was on HL for about 3 hours, smooth as my bum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

triggerhappyfin
10-20-2005, 05:51 AM
Originally posted by Dr...Watson:
No prob here on a P4 3.2

Tried the patch last night, was on HL for about 3 hours, smooth as my bum http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Was on HL too...not so smooth, could be my bum tho http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/59.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
10-20-2005, 07:26 AM
P4 3.4 oc'd to 3.8 with stock cooling and 4 case fans. No problems here in 2 nights of extended online gaming in 4.02

Doesn't mean there isn't an issue and they've already got a workaround...so non-issue right?


TB

-HH-Quazi
10-20-2005, 07:54 AM
Had one of my squadm8s experience one of those hard locks yesterday while in game, but he didn't have another one all day. It is strange that this would be happening with this patch, and even putting out a warning makes me think that it would have been preventable.

ddsflyer
10-20-2005, 09:06 AM
HH-Quazi...
My point exactly. Why release a patch with a known NEW problem with it? Seems like a backward step to me. BTW, I have built numerous computers with both AMD and Intel processors. At the time I built this one, the P4 3.4EE was the best processor available. If I built one today, I would probably use an AMD FX. Nevertheless, Intel still is used is more OEM machines worldwide than AMD. I'll wait for 4.03 and hopefully they will have this fixed. In the meantime, there is nothing in 4.02 worth installing, and I understand from others the flight and damage models have been overly tweaked.

WWSensei
10-20-2005, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by ddsflyer:
HH-Quazi...
My point exactly. Why release a patch with a known NEW problem with it? Seems like a backward step to me. BTW, I have built numerous computers with both AMD and Intel processors. At the time I built this one, the P4 3.4EE was the best processor available. If I built one today, I would probably use an AMD FX. Nevertheless, Intel still is used is more OEM machines worldwide than AMD. I'll wait for 4.03 and hopefully they will have this fixed. In the meantime, there is nothing in 4.02 worth installing, and I understand from others the flight and damage models have been overly tweaked.

It's a known potential problem--there is a difference. It has to do with compiler options used to take advantage of Pentium 4 instruction sets to make it perform even better on P4s. In some P4/mobo/memory combos this optimization can cause stability problems.

We've used the same thing on some of our software. I'd say 80% of P4 users won't have any issues. Both Microsoft and Intel offer "Processor Pack" optimization packages with their compilers. AMD doesn't offer one that I know of (they are notorious for being a pain to work with in this area--the company I mean) and the Microsoft AMD optimizations are actually less stable than the P4 ones.

Most of the hoopla surrounding this issue is the proverbial mountain out of a molehill and avoiding 4.0.2 because of this issue (when there is an easy workaround) is akin to cutting off your arm to stop a paper cut on your finger from bleeding.

jds1978
10-20-2005, 04:37 PM
i hate to screw up the 100% score here, but i had to use the fix this morning.

i got a lock-up followed by a crash.

the fix is no problem...took 30 seconds tops.

btw, w/ 4.02 this is the best this game has run on my computer (well, after the fix that is)

-HH-Quazi
10-20-2005, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by WWSensei:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ddsflyer:
Most of the hoopla surrounding this issue is the proverbial mountain out of a molehill and avoiding 4.0.2 because of this issue (when there is an easy workaround) is akin to cutting off your arm to stop a paper cut on your finger from bleeding.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif Good one m8!

carguy_
10-21-2005, 05:52 AM
Aaah.Isn`t market competition wonderful?

JerryFodder
10-21-2005, 07:12 AM
Originally posted by ddsflyer:
Computers with Pentium 4 processors may crash? What's with that? That is only about 2/3 of all the machines out there. How did they release a patch with such a bug? No thanks, I'll stay with 4.01.

Stay with it, the bug (if there actually is one) is not with P4. I have it and it works perfectly well.

As for AMD, have you actually checked your running speed? AMD chips certainly used to run at around 1.4ghz by default and require overclocking to get them performing (but maybe this has changed). I have 2 machines, one pentium and one Athlon XP - so yes, I am impartial.

Eraser_tr
10-21-2005, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by jds1978:
btw, w/ 4.02 this is the best this game has run on my computer (well, after the fix that is)

I must agree, even with an old old drivr version(which used to run much slower than newer versions in il2) its faster than 4.01m on the newer driver versions. Very very smooth, and thats with effects=2 and water=2 (effects=2 wasn't half as smooth as it is now, love the smok billowing from carriers!)

The FM is a step back though, floaty even in heavy planes like the brewster. Stall characteristics went to hell though, its like 2.X with everything stalling like a P-39. 4.01 was the best the FM has been, but the stalls are very arcade like( especially compared to the latest 4.0 avhistory FM for fs2k2/2k4,cfs2/3, best FM outside a military training sim)

TheGozr
10-21-2005, 01:09 PM
Interesting AMD sold more than intel this year, This was the first time. and it's good.

We need the competition. And i hope the prices will be not Too expensive.

raisen
10-25-2005, 10:43 AM
>>Man, you should see AMD processors struggling with a 32-track Cakewalk Sonar project. It's not pretty.<<

Don't forget we used to see this sort of thing in the old days. Photoshop allegedly used to market on the strength of being optimised for Intel processors, whilst in fact if an AMD processor was encountered it simply ran slower. No exotic optimisation, it just sat there doing nothing more of the time on the AMD because it was designed to do so.

I think the PF dev team were perfectly correct to issue the patch with the alternative optimisations in case users had difficulty with the default optimisations supplied.

On the subject of 64 bit O/S's and CPU's I recall a couple of threads earlier this year stating "authoratively" (ahem....er...February if I remember) that Longhorn would be out in two weeks. M$ timescales are longer even than the Maddox timescale http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I wouldn't recommend rushing to AMD 64 bit yet (even now), partly because Longhorn remains a pipedream until next year (even then it is being heavily cut back from MS original ideas in a number of respects), partly because Intel multicore processors are now coming on stream, and they may prove to be the better bet. Hold off until the processor architecture and the O/S mature is my advice. The show aint over til the fat lady sings....

When we finally see 64 bit O/S and widespread driver and application support 64 bit will come into its own....finally. Will the Intel alternative be worthwhile ? Too early to tell.

Remember that the early adopter pays dearly. And don't believe all the hype from the spoiled brats brigade..... This whole "you're a loser if you run a P4" thing is just bull.

Raisen

Hoatee
10-26-2005, 04:04 AM
Just to push the score in the direction of 100%, 4.02 has given me no problems - needless to say, on a P4 2,66 ghz....

JFC-Slumped
10-26-2005, 04:34 AM
There's not a bug as such. The game includes a P4 optimized il2_core.dll. However some chips/setups can be unstable using it, so you just have to force the default one by copying it and renaming it to il2_coreP4.dll

ddsflyer
10-26-2005, 01:17 PM
I tried 4.02, didn't like what it did to the flight models at all. Slightly better framerate but that does not overcome the flight model mess. I went back to 4.01. I'll stay there until 4.03 and then give that a try and see if they fixed the flight models.

raisen
10-31-2005, 04:01 PM
Run on AMD XP 2400 with 1.5 Gig of RAM.... result = no problem.

Run on my P4 3.6Gz and a Gig..... result = no problem.

One PC left to test on... 3.2 Gz, 768 MB of RAM, 128 MB Radeon 9700 Mobility Fujitsu Siemens notebook..... waiting for the extra 512MB of RAM to arrive.

No trouble on anything thus far.

Raisen