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Waldo.Pepper
11-03-2005, 04:02 PM
Landing a plane in the game that is not meant to be carrier borne is occasionaly frowned upon by some. But I am begining to think that there is not a type that has not been carrier landed IRL.

I think that information about the following types has already been posted. (Hurricanes, P-51, P-47, B-25, Neptune, C-120, U-2, Piper Cub. Here are some more.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/Mossie-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/Mossie-2.jpg

Looking forward to trying this eventually with our Mossie.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/SeaMossie-1.jpg

It would be nice to get the full SeaMossie.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/p39-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/p39-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/Meteor.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/Vampire-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/Vampire-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/WaldoPepper/Odd%20carrier%20planes/Storch.jpg

Best for last.

VT-51_Razor
11-03-2005, 04:17 PM
Great pictures Waldo! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
11-03-2005, 05:37 PM
Well, part of the beauty of thi sim is the possiblity to do things like land weird aircraft onto carriers, etc.

I regularly fly IL-2s off carriers in squad coops, and B-25s on occassion. It's fun! And is not that difficult landing them after a little bit of practice.

Waldo.Pepper
11-03-2005, 06:47 PM
Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
Well, part of the beauty of thi sim is the possiblity to do things like land weird aircraft onto carriers, etc.

I regularly fly IL-2s off carriers in squad coops, and B-25s on occassion. It's fun! And is not that difficult landing them after a little bit of practice.

I did your squads carrier qual mission a while ago. Very nice. I had to 'cheat' on the last one and switch off the engines just before I touched down to make it.

Kuna15
11-03-2005, 07:31 PM
Nice pictures, thanks http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
I liked airacobra carrier approach, as well as your last picture -- however I don't know how anyone can have a problems with landing that plane on a carrier, since it is really a miracle if it can catch up with carrier in the first place http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif.

Eraser_tr
11-03-2005, 08:47 PM
Wow! a meteor and airacobra (not the airabonita) landing successfully.

The storch isn't particularly impressive though...that plane was so slow, it could fly backwards if the wind was strong enough http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Actually the first jet landing on a carrier was an FH-1 phantom shortly before the end of the war with japan.

Waldo.Pepper
11-03-2005, 09:45 PM
Actually the first jet landing on a carrier was an FH-1 phantom shortly before the end of the war with japan.

Sorry, incorrect. Date of Vampire = 3rd December 1945.

PH-1 Phantom was on July 21, 1946, operating from the USS Franklin D. Roosevelt, a McDonnell XFD-1 Phantom became the first jet-propelled combat aircraft to operate from an American aircraft carrier.

From: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/fh-1.htm

I cannot find an earlier date, but there is a qualifier, when it says 'combat' aircraft. Maybe there is an earlier US one.

darkhorizon11
11-03-2005, 10:01 PM
A carrier borne Mosquito... oh please don't tease me like that!

I def. like the Storch too that thing must get off in half the deck!

Waldo.Pepper
11-03-2005, 10:26 PM
I wish we had this or the Po-2/U2 flyable in the game. It would be so much fun.

"The piece de resistance of the Storch was of course its slow flying ability, which was the nearest thing to helicoptering that I have experienced. With full flap and the engine throttled to about 1300 rpm, the Storch could be flown at 70 kmh. At this speed the nose was high, so that forward view was very poor, but by making gentle turns an excellent ground view for reconnaissance could be obtained from the cockpit side windows. The aircraft felt comfortable at this speed in calm conditions except that the rudder was sloppy and needed large movement for effect. In turbulence, however, the flaps had to be retracted to the 15? position and the speed stepped up to 85 kmh.

Stalling the Storch was possible, but the elevator was still so effective that recovery was immediate from a straight dropping of the nose, but occasionally it would drop a wing and then some caution was required as the rudder effectiveness was poor at this point.
Landing the Storch gave me infinite pleasure in trying to reduce my landing distances like a golfer tries to reduce his best score for the course. The flaps were lowered 20? at 120 kmh for the turn on to finals when full flap was selected, the tail trimmer set fully back and an engine assisted approach made at 65 kmh. On touch down the brakes could be applied fully to give ridiculously short landing distances.

Perhaps an indication of this can be given if I tell you that I landed the Storch on the aft lift of the aircraft carrier H.M.S. Triumph on 28th May 1946, and it never ran off the lift, so that the flight deck crew just folded its wings there and then and struck the aircraft down into the hangar without moving it an inch.

We at the R.A.E. also exploited the versatility of the Storch, by using it as a consort aircraft in a series of fascinating experiments observing the airflow patterns produced by the early Sikorsky R4B helicopter with results which are still regarded as classic of their kind.

A truly great aircraft, but not one that could altogether be flown with contempt for the laws of basic airmanship as evidenced by the phrase in heavy black type in the Pilot's Notes which says 'Auch der Storch ist nicht narrensicher' €" 'Even the Stork is not foolproof."

The words are of course Eric Brown's.

cueceleches
11-04-2005, 04:36 AM
Just a question: would it have been possible for Doolittle´s B-25s to land on a carrier if they had have enough fuel??? I´ve always thought of that...

major_setback
11-04-2005, 05:48 AM
Just make sure you land in calm weather:

http://www.flight-history.com/gal/pics/misc3/storm_2.jpg

http://www.flight-history.com/gal/pics/misc3/storm_1.jpg

bogusheadbox
11-04-2005, 06:06 AM
Bloody Hell !!!!

Those planes must be nailed, chained, glued to the deck.

Crikeys mate !

major_setback
11-04-2005, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by bogusheadbox:
Bloody Hell !!!!

Those planes must be nailed, chained, glued to the deck.

Crikeys mate !

The next photo in the series showed an empty deck!! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif (sorry, I can't find it just now).

major_setback
11-04-2005, 01:17 PM
More angles, the first picture shows two carriers in front of each other. The first one is really leaning:

http://www.usd230.k12.ks.us/espictt/military%20stuff/carrier%20rocknroll1.jpg

http://www.usd230.k12.ks.us/espictt/military%20stuff/carrier%20rocknroll2.jpg

http://www.usd230.k12.ks.us/espictt/military%20stuff/carrier%20rocknroll3.jpg

major_setback
11-04-2005, 01:20 PM
Embarrassing/funny situations:

http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/14499.JPG

http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/7391.jpg

http://www.strangemilitary.com/images/content/7310.jpg

major_setback
11-04-2005, 01:22 PM
This was a famous news story...

http://vnaf.net/april75/o1_fdd3.jpg

major_setback
11-04-2005, 01:24 PM
A horrific story behind this photo (bottom of page):

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/02/stuff_eng...to_deck_landings.htm (http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/02/stuff_eng_photo_deck_landings.htm)


http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2003/02/images_deck_landings/u124794.jpg

BirdieNum-nums
11-11-2005, 07:42 AM
Fantastic pictures! Thanks!

I especially like the ones with the sailors on the deck in R9 seas, wearing NO LIFE VESTS!! What's up with that? Some sort of dare, or survival contest? That is just unbelievable. Whether or not they had some duties to perform, ie: checking or refastening tie-downs on the aircraft still on deck, theses reckless daredevils show no sign of safety measures to prevent a man overboard scenario, unless I'm missing something. Where sailors better swimmers in 1944?

Cheers!

Birdie-Numnums a.k.a. Jabberwocky

jeroen-79
11-11-2005, 01:45 PM
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/c130/carrier_01.jpg

lairdperkins
11-12-2005, 09:59 PM
I didn't know anyone had actually landed a C-130 on a carrier... suppose I shouldn't be surprised really, given the stall speed and reverseable props... Dad has home movies of 130's backing up under their own power (as well as a bunch of eyewall penetrations and christmas present drops on remote pacific islands).

Low_Flyer_MkII
11-13-2005, 03:15 PM
Great pictures, Major, thanks for sharing.

Gibbage1
11-13-2005, 06:55 PM
Going into that C-130 landing.

#1, it landed WITHOUT an arrester wire.

#2, it took back off, starting from the position it landed in. Half way down the deck. Without catapult or Rato assistance. There is video of it. Simply amazing stuff! There have been no "confirmed" C-130 activity at all by the US Gov, but crews of some carriers say it has happened. Always at night, and the C-130's never stop for very long. All black ops stuff.

Tooz_69GIAP
11-14-2005, 12:55 AM
I thought C-130s used rockets to assist in short take offs? I'm sure I've seen footage of transport aircraft going off a carrier with these strapped to them.

Asgeir_Strips
11-14-2005, 01:54 PM
The one that was landing the C130 Was no other than WW2 Veteran Commander James "Jim" Flatley!

Asgeir_Strips
11-14-2005, 01:58 PM
Correction, it was James Flatley III, He flew in the Vietnam War, he's the son of the WW2 Veteran James Flatley II

midnbrad
12-04-2005, 08:50 PM
If anyone is interested the C-130 trap was from the trials for a carrier landable cargo plane. It was beat out by the C-2 COD (an E-2 HAWKEYE without the radar dish).

ColoradoBBQ
12-04-2005, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by cueceleches:
Just a question: would it have been possible for Doolittle´s B-25s to land on a carrier if they had have enough fuel??? I´ve always thought of that...

No, they couldn't. The B-25s were loaded by crane onto the deck and shipped within range of Japan where they took off. There were no way to fold up those planes to make room for other B-25s to land. The mission was a gamble since the B-25s were exposed to elements and hostiles while on deck during shipping.

Propfighter
12-05-2005, 03:42 AM
No, they couldn't. The B-25s were loaded by crane onto the deck and shipped within range of Japan where they took off. There were no way to fold up those planes to make room for other B-25s to land. The mission was a gamble since the B-25s were exposed to elements and hostiles while on deck during shipping.

Ahh, but in the game, I managed to land my b25 sucessfully! I just used the autopilot feature until I made touch down, I took it from there and slammed on the brakes nice and easy. I didn't turn enough to the left, however and ended up smashing my wing on the tower but it doesn't mean that it is impossible, it can indeed be done.

I also managed to land a P-51D on a carrier, again with the same procedure as above (letting the computer get to the carrier then take over as soon as it hits the deck) and I managed to stop my plane halfway across the deck and sucessfully put it to a complete stop!

The only problem is, a pure AI aircraft would treat the carrier deck as if it were a normal land base, so an AI flown land-based airplane would never be able to land on a carrier unless you're using one of those fantasy 'test runways' on the water. If that's the case, then anything is possible! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

Maraz_5SA
12-05-2005, 04:47 AM
Originally posted by Propfighter:
The only problem is, a pure AI aircraft would treat the carrier deck as if it were a normal land base, so an AI flown land-based airplane would never be able to land on a carrier unless you're using one of those fantasy 'test runways' on the water.


It depends.

I used U-2 biplanes to act as Swordfish in a VOW2 mission. They could land on the carrier without any problem.

Their only problem was to catch up the carrier http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Maraz

p1ngu666
12-05-2005, 05:22 AM
cool pics http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

Unknown_Target
12-05-2005, 10:46 AM
I've always wondered about that picture with the car. What's the story behind that? Any more pictures?

Bill_Bones
12-05-2005, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by cueceleches:
Just a question: would it have been possible for Doolittle´s B-25s to land on a carrier if they had have enough fuel??? I´ve always thought of that...

Maybe, if they had been equipped with an arresting hook. It would be interesting to know if the idea was studied and/or why it was rejected. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

One more on the Storch: I've heard stories that any self-respecting Storch pilot should be able to land the plane in a distance smaller than the Storch's wingspan... http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif

RAF74_Poker
12-05-2005, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by Propfighter:
Ahh, but in the game, I managed to land my b25 sucessfully! I just used the autopilot feature until I made touch down, I took it from there and slammed on the brakes nice and easy. I didn't turn enough to the left, however and ended up smashing my wing on the tower but it doesn't mean that it is impossible, it can indeed be done.

I also managed to land a P-51D on a carrier, again with the same procedure as above (letting the computer get to the carrier then take over as soon as it hits the deck) and I managed to stop my plane halfway across the deck and sucessfully put it to a complete stop!



Why not just land w/o the autopilot ?
It's been done.
I would have taken off again too, except I was mucking about on the taxi back to the end and clipped my wing on the bridge ... doh !!
And you can get the AI to take 4 B-25's off the Lex/Sara.

Jungmann
12-05-2005, 04:47 PM
Launching an old car was a way to test steam catapults with a payload.