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papotex
05-02-2006, 05:12 PM
With the PE-2 addon they Introduced new codes that afected the flight models.

I assume that they are testing the BOB phisics engine.

I just wanted to congratulate Oleg and his team
for working hard and deliver such an OUTSTANDING toy http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

for the first time since i got this sim i really enjoy trying diferent planes because I like How they all feel.

I have never seen what BOB is going to look like
but if it is as revolutionary graphics wise as when the original IL-2 was when it came out,
then coupled with these flight models,
its just scary how incredible that is going to be.

Exellent work 1C.

slipBall
05-02-2006, 05:30 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gifWhat specific difference's have you noticed, I have not up-graded yet. First time that I have heard this

HelSqnProtos
05-02-2006, 05:48 PM
S~!

Wow its unbelievable what people will post just to see text by their name............................ No fm changes except in your mind.

slipBall
05-02-2006, 05:51 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I'll sleep better now http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

edgflyer
05-02-2006, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

Wow its unbelievable what people will post just to see text by their name............................ No fm changes except in your mind.

It does seem to fly more solid. I had heard talk that it installs a new config file that may have been corrupted before. I don't know the truth to it but I often wonder if there is some kind of global FM that changes with adding new planes. I think it flys 100% better. So to you Proto, don't be so sure of yourself like always.

FritzGryphon
05-02-2006, 06:11 PM
But if it flys 100% better, that would mean it didn't fly at all before, since no plane can fly more than 100%.

I hope they fixed the ground handling model. The planes are only driving 65% at most.

Brain32
05-02-2006, 06:15 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
But if it flys 100% better, that would mean it didn't fly at all before, since no plane can fly more than 100%.
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

edgflyer
05-02-2006, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
But if it flys 100% better, that would mean it didn't fly at all before, since no plane can fly more than 100%.

I hope they fixed the ground handling model. The planes are only driving 65% at most.

Ok you got me there. I'll say 99.99% better http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/mockface.gif

VW-IceFire
05-02-2006, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by edgflyer:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by HelSqnProtos:
S~!

Wow its unbelievable what people will post just to see text by their name............................ No fm changes except in your mind.

It does seem to fly more solid. I had heard talk that it installs a new config file that may have been corrupted before. I don't know the truth to it but I often wonder if there is some kind of global FM that changes with adding new planes. I think it flys 100% better. So to you Proto, don't be so sure of yourself like always. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Truth is that you were probably missing a 0 in your joystick profile in the config.ini. If your weren't there may have been another line somewhere that was screwed up that causes a similar behavior (I have yet to find it) but that has been the cause of a constant back and forth nightmare I've had between very good and very bad flight characteristics.

WWMaxGunz
05-02-2006, 10:26 PM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
But if it flys 100% better, that would mean it didn't fly at all before, since no plane can fly more than 100%.

I hope they fixed the ground handling model. The planes are only driving 65% at most.

If something is 100% better, it is twice as good.

crazyivan1970
05-02-2006, 10:54 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/10.gif only Pe-2 and Pe-3 series FM/DM was changed

WWMaxGunz
05-03-2006, 12:42 AM
Other things in the total program (code + data = program) can change handling.
Like the corrupted config.

tagTaken2
05-03-2006, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Other things in the total program (code + data = program) can change handling.
Like the corrupted config.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Was not aware of this. Flight models do feel smoother to me, no trace of a wobble I began to get after 4.02.

I suspected that it might be to get the offliners to upgrade as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

carguy_
05-03-2006, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by papotex:
I have never seen what BOB is going to look like
but if it is as revolutionary graphics wise as when the original IL-2 was when it came out,
then coupled with these flight models,
its just scary how incredible that is going to be.


I don`t think it`s going to be that good.Although we can be sure that less aircraft flyable means better,more accurate FM/DM.
Coupled with user adapted tips from 4 year history of playing IL2 - this can be great!

G.J.deRue
05-03-2006, 05:39 AM
Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
But if it flys 100% better, that would mean it didn't fly at all before... Someone wiser than me once said: "3% is 50% more than 2%".

SpartanHoplite
05-03-2006, 05:59 AM
Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by FritzGryphon:
But if it flys 100% better, that would mean it didn't fly at all before, since no plane can fly more than 100%.

I hope they fixed the ground handling model. The planes are only driving 65% at most.

If something is 100% better, it is twice as good. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly right. What you're thinking of would be "at 100%".

SH

WWMaxGunz
05-03-2006, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by tagTaken2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Other things in the total program (code + data = program) can change handling.
Like the corrupted config.

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Was not aware of this. Flight models do feel smoother to me, no trace of a wobble I began to get after 4.02.

I suspected that it might be to get the offliners to upgrade as well. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

If the code for the controls changes then it will *feel* as if the FM changed.
You can do the same with stick sliders.

If your config is 'broken' (missing a digit or more) then wobbles will show up.
When you upgrade, a clean config overwrites what you had and instant fix!
Except, I think that one other patch made an overwrite that was bad and some people
say that they get corrupt configs over time just playing. So you got a good config
then make a copy and if the wobbles come back, write the copy over your config to fix.

Code that changes timing like for input reads can make the FM feel different.
If the planes feel too jerky and it may be your stick spiking then using filter in
the stick sliders page may 'fix' that and viola your FM feels changed.

FM is the code from control surfaces positions and speed, etc, out. Controls code
is what makes the surfaces move and includes pilot strength. Any change to controls
code including pilot strength, stick force as coded or user config will change the
feel and maybe even the limits of performance (at high speed or high alt where mach
speed is lower) and still not be FM changes.

What that boils down to is when people say FM changed and Oleg's Team can say truely
no change was made to FM then people should have looked deeper before making claims.
At least this thread is a GOOD claim, some people have for sure gotten changes just
not the ones they think!

Ever run around changing things that were not wrong for a boss who doesn't realize
what is and won't try or give you time to find out? I have. And when you do, they
still blame you for the screwup because the boss is never wrong. The more polite
way to say it is "Never time to do it right, Always time to do it over.". In ways,
pointing out problems the wrong sources delays the fix process just as badly.

papotex
05-03-2006, 09:37 PM
yes i figured it most be something like that...
what ever it was the flight models feel beefier now or tighter like other put it.

the end result just gave the sim a better feeling.

IT IS NOT IN MY HEAD I AM NOT CRAZY!!!!!!!!!

Wolf-Strike
05-07-2006, 01:19 PM
ayeeeeeeeeeeeeee dont make me buy this addonhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Wolf-Strike
05-07-2006, 01:20 PM
WTF is it not available in USA??

We get shanked alot I dont get it??

papotex
05-07-2006, 04:48 PM
i got it from here, imm in TEXAS USA and i purchased|it no problem.

Steps to download are easy. Existing ENGLISH speaking users can log into UBI with their current name -> www.ubi.com/UK (http://www.ubi.com/UK) (IF YOU DONT HAVE AN ACCOUNT, CREATE ONE) click shopping and type Pe-2 in the Search field. Once you get there, add it to shopping card and go to check out. Fill out all necessary stuff and get your toy. It`s pretty self explanatory I tried posting direct link to download, but it redirects to French site, so it`s better to do it as described above if you don€t speak French.

Wolf-Strike
05-07-2006, 06:21 PM
Thanks Im off to buy it.

WWMaxGunz
05-07-2006, 11:56 PM
Something overall seems to have changed towards stability and an airflow feel. I am running
on 4.04 exe's with 4.05 SFS's and my old 4.04 config, I did back up all of 4.04m.

When I can use rudder to track my shots across a target in a P-51C, not always either but
generally the plane doesn't want to pendulum and acts more like something in a solid fast
airflow.

It also seems that resistance against turns and axis changes is just a little bit more
which I like the feel.

But that can be just subjective interpretation. Perhaps the extra material causes my PC
to deal with RAm and virtual drivespace so that timing changed a micro and caused the
whole thing. Hard to say. When I notice more people with different systems get the same
feeling I tend to suspect that some very small change in a global value or two is at the
root of this. I can't run 4.05 exe (W98SE no hablo Boonty) to see if that is different
from what 4.04 is, can't tell if the exe's and SFS's match up and 4.04 exe with 4.05 SFS
is the cause.

Whatever, I kinda like it. Don't mean correct, just like.

EDCF_Rama
05-08-2006, 05:25 AM
Flying the P63 in a virtual stunt patrol, some obvious changes between 4.04 and 4.05:
- handling at low speed is easier, like if CoG is more forward
- hammer and snap rolls are easier to perform (input seems to answer quicker... in case of the snap roll, the inner wing stalls quicker also)

Dunno what has changed (FM or input management, whatever else...)... but it's better now.

Bearcat99
05-12-2006, 11:20 AM
It isnt just you Max.. I notice it too.... Now I KNOW that everyone says no changes were made.. but I gotta say.... the P-51 flies different. I dont know... maybe it's because I had to do a complete reinstall... but it flies different.... it accelerates better... it turns better it is more stable... recovers from stalls better... it still looses E kind of quick in a climb but Ill be darned it it doesnt fly better. I have been flying the P-51 since we got it... and if saome of you will recall when 4.04 came out I was a little miffed because it seemed the plane had lost some unph... but this is the P-51 that I remember from a previous beta patch.. or close to it. I like this... it isnt too uber.. still has the glass jaw.. will still stall wickedly if you have 100% fuel.... and if you get too careless the wings will still fall off coming out of a dive.. but it is deffinitely different. Even squadmates who had stopped flying it because they felt it was too neutered have noticed a difference... I know some have said that no changes were made.. but thanks anyway 1C.

I am wondering... does anyone remember the post I made about the global FM and the difference in the P-51 from 4.03b to 4.04? In 4.03b there was no Mossie yet... and now we have added another twin engined craft... could that be part of it? I dont know... like a rebalancing of the FMs or something? I dont know.. but whatever it is I like it.. maybe it is the reinstall.... but I sure do like this new P-51 even if it still bleeds E a bit too fast.

SeaFireLIV
05-12-2006, 06:10 PM
I haven`t flown enough to get a real feel of 4.05 yet. I`ve only done one mission as part of a lagg3 squadron bombing a location. Now I was over the target and very high and ordered my laggs to attack the target, and they did - usually I need to get below 2000 metres for the AI to see them.

An improvement or fluke?

I need to test more.

papotex
05-12-2006, 10:34 PM
i do think they actually did a bit of tweaking somewhere and it had a global effect.

if its a fluke, then i hope they dont accidentally mess it up in the upcoming addons/ patches.

Im afraid to think about it since i know more plannes are going to be added.

Wolf-Strike
05-13-2006, 03:36 PM
This is the error I get when I try to run il2-pe2.exe

[Vous devez installer la version complete du jeu avant de pouvoir installer cet add-on]

I translated and it says I am running wrong version???I am already at 4.04m.Anyone know whats up?

Wolf-Strike
05-13-2006, 04:33 PM
ANyone???I am getting stir crazy trying to get this dam thing to runhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Bearcat99
05-13-2006, 07:04 PM
Did you check out this (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/9691071834) thread?

Wolf-Strike
05-13-2006, 07:34 PM
Yes,Bear I did.For my problem-must have full install of game to install-it says to try reinstalling the whole kit and kaboodle.

Im afraid to do that since last time took me 4 hrs at my pc.I guess I will have to and so Im off to reinstall.

WWMaxGunz
05-13-2006, 11:24 PM
Try running with your 4.04 exes first.

Wolf-Strike
05-14-2006, 02:56 PM
Thanks for the replies guys.I got it to work last night by doing a fresh install.

I do also notice a difference in the FM.I like it but its not perfect yet.It still has the annoying erratic yaw when pitching up and down.But its an improvement.

Off to hyperlobby to get some more stick time

S~~
Wolf