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BSS_Goat
02-08-2006, 10:39 AM
What is the teardrop shaped thing behind the canopy on the top and bottom plane?
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P47/P473.JPG

JarheadEd
02-08-2006, 10:50 AM
Looks like an ADF antennae to me. (direction finding)But I have never seen that type installation on a P-47 before. It looks a bit non standard to me. Just my opinion.

BRASSTURTLE
02-08-2006, 11:15 AM
I have never seen that type installation on a P-47 before. It looks a bit non standard to me. Just my opinion.[/QUOTE]

I have read about this sort of installation being used in the PTO. i have pic at home in a jug book. the pic was a p-47n, though.
the markings in the above photo look like eto, so i really am just blowing smoke at this point.

Diablo310th
02-08-2006, 11:16 AM
Looks like P-47N's. that could possibly be radar? I'm not sure.

Skycat_2
02-08-2006, 12:03 PM
Question: is that a vintage (war time) photo or is it from a demonstration many years later? Those could be post-Korean War surplus that are in civilian hands -- if so, the radom could be either military or civilian.

I'm just speculating so pay me no mind. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Allied_Killer
02-08-2006, 12:34 PM
That's the infamous "Plasma Warp Engine" be sure!!!

Snyde-Dastardly
02-08-2006, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by JarheadEd:
Looks like an ADF antennae to me. (direction finding)But I have never seen that type installation on a P-47 before. It looks a bit non standard to me. Just my opinion.

Im with you jar head

ploughman
02-08-2006, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by Skycat_2:
Question: is that a vintage (war time) photo or is it from a demonstration many years later? Those could be post-Korean War surplus that are in civilian hands -- if so, the radom could be either military or civilian.

I'm just speculating so pay me no mind. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Perhaps, but I can't see the reg number anywhere for a civy plane. The high level of contrast on the belly of the planes makes me think that it might not be and authentic photo but rather some sort of mxing and colouring of different photos which might explain why different these aircraft are together.

horseback
02-08-2006, 02:21 PM
Those are late model P-47Ds. A fin fillet was retrofitted to most bubbletop models in early '45.

The RDF (radio direction finders) 'footballs' were standard issue on USAAF aircraft in the CBI; it is possible that these were aircraft flown by occupation units very shortly after the war-the one on top has markings that I believe belonged to a 15th AF group, while the other two look like 9th AF.

Most of the veteran wartime personnel were shipped home as quickly as the transport could be arranged, leaving the aircraft to be flown and serviced by late-war enlistees who had finished training just before or after war's end. Their navigation skills might have been somewhat lacking compared to their predecessors, hence the RDF.

cheers

horseback

OMK_Hand
02-08-2006, 02:33 PM
The top P47 has markings very similar to the Confederate Air Force version of 'Grumpy', the original of which was flown by Lt. Tom Ellis of the 527th F.S., 86th Fighter Group in Italy.

A similar looking Confederate plane with the same teardrop behind the cockpit is a P47D which saw service in south America after the war and into the early 1950s.

It's probably something to do with radar/radio, but there's no direct information that I can find. Definitely post-war.

Cajun76
02-08-2006, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Allied_Killer:
That's the infamous "Plasma Warp Engine" be sure!!!

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif So very subtle. 3 posts and quoting "olegisms" with a loaded name. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif

Agree with Horseback, the top one is clearly not a P-47N, and I don't think the rest are either.

berg417448
02-08-2006, 02:56 PM
The middle P-47 markings might be from 353rd fighter group:

http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353&St...mp=159&searchString= (http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/gallery.php?Group=353&Style=item&origStyle=list&Item=17&Temp=159&searchString=)

No yellow rudder but it has the invasion stripes and there are photos on that site of Mustangs from that group sporting the same black and yellow checkerboard with a yellow rudder later on.

Allied_Killer
02-08-2006, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Cajun76:
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif So very subtle. 3 posts and quoting "olegisms" with a loaded name. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/51.gif


If you don't like my "loaded name" say so openly pal, but don't be so shallow as to judge by the number of posts and registration date. I've been around longer than you'd think.

I don't want to hijack the thread, if you wish to continue further, PM me.

3.JG51_BigBear
02-08-2006, 03:21 PM
I'm thinking these have to be civi aircraft. Why would a P-47 with such late war characteristics still have invasion stripes?

lrrp22
02-08-2006, 03:58 PM
They're restored Warbirds in vaguely accurate markings. Some WWII P-47s sported a DF loop but the RDF 'football' is a modern addition.

BaldieJr
02-08-2006, 04:06 PM
Those arent attached to the planes. What you see is two alien space-craft attempting to "tractor beam" the P-47's. This particular breed of space alien, although exceedingly brave, tends to be smallish and a very poor judge of size.

GreyBeast
02-08-2006, 04:26 PM
They're the aviation equivalent to modern-day mini backpacks girls like to wear.

Like strapping your purse on your back.

Lion_13
02-08-2006, 04:27 PM
They are ADF antenna, but not on a restored warbird. This style of ADF antenna was obsolete by the 70's, the last ones I worked on were the size and shape of a small book.

This old ADF antenna is usually seen on the nose of a C-47/DC-3.

geetarman
02-08-2006, 05:36 PM
Originally posted by BSS_Goat:
What is the teardrop shaped thing behind the canopy on the top and bottom plane?
http://www.warbirdphotos.net/aviapix/Fighters/P47/P473.JPG

a quarter keg