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Freycinet
09-12-2004, 04:45 PM
So what did the Japanese call Allied planes?...

I'm asking about both unofficial monikers and whether there was an official code name system.

I imagine that names like "thunderbolt" and "lightning" would be hard to pronounce for Japanese, at least in the heat of battle...

Freycinet
09-12-2004, 04:45 PM
So what did the Japanese call Allied planes?...

I'm asking about both unofficial monikers and whether there was an official code name system.

I imagine that names like "thunderbolt" and "lightning" would be hard to pronounce for Japanese, at least in the heat of battle...

SkyChimp
09-12-2004, 04:51 PM
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So what did the Japanese call Allied planes?...
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XyZspineZyX
09-12-2004, 04:55 PM
They tended to refer to them by manufacturer names, e.g., a "Douglas" or a "Boeing"; but some planes, like Lightnings and Corsairs, i believe they referred to as such.

Not sure about "official" names they used.

chris455
09-12-2004, 05:09 PM
Legend says they referred to the Corsair as the "Whistling Death". I am dubious that this term was actually used by the Japanese.

It is also said that there was a term in Japanese that roughly translated as , "One pilot, two planes". This was said to be applied to the P-38, and is somewhat more beleivable IMO.

It is noteworthy that in the book "Samurai", Sakai-san refers to most allied fighters by their manufacturers names, i.e., Grummans, Curtises, etc.

I do know that the Japanese referred to the B-29 as "B-29", or as best as they could render that term in English.This is evident in many wartime accounts.

It is an interesting question, worthy of further research.

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VMF513_Sandman
09-13-2004, 06:22 AM
whistling death=corsair. so named from the whistle created in high speed dives thru the 'sair's wing mounted oil coolers.

2 planes, 1 pilot..p-38's. my guess: the extreme rate of climb the 38 was capable of over the zero...that and where there was 1 lightning, there was another somewhere nearby.

Buster82
09-13-2004, 06:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>2 planes, 1 pilot..p-38's. my guess: the extreme rate of climb the 38 was capable of over the zero...that and where there was 1 lightning, there was another somewhere nearby.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i don't but maybe they refered to the lighting like that cause of it's twin tailbooms looked like 2 planes flying close together perhaps??? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WOLFMondo
09-13-2004, 06:55 AM
I've read the Bristol Beaufighter got the nickname 'Whispering Death' from the Japanese. Not sure about the whispering bit but its certainly a very scary plane given what it can carry and its forward firepower.

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DIRTY-MAC
09-13-2004, 06:59 AM
I would be interested of what Japanese pilots called the enemy fighters, not what the ground
forces did.

BSS_Vidar
09-13-2004, 10:41 AM
Sorry, a bit off topic,
But a couple of posts here brought back a few memories for me I'ld like to share.

In Sept '98 my squadron lost an S-3B Viking south of Cyperous with all hands lost. After the deep subersable robot camera footage was retrieved, they found something they couldn't identify. I was rolled out of my rack at 3am in the morning and ordered to report to the Admirals stateroom. I jumped into my flight suit with my hair still standing on end and showed up escorted by my CO and XO. I was asked to review the tape and tell them what I could see. They wouldn't tell me what I was looking for.
Out of the darkenss in under two miles of Eastern Med water popped out a British Beaufighter only 1/4 mile from where Vidar 703 laid to rest. All the fabrick from the flight controls were gone and its distictive pain scheme had long faded away except for the lacquer gloss British markings still fulling in tact. The number one engine's prop was peeled back and the number two engine's prop has been feathered. No evedence of taking hits, just seemd to have lost an engine. Both crew hatches were open with no parachute packs, and the machine guns were still in place in pristine condition.

A sad time it was for the Checkmates during that time, but finding that Beaufighter only a quarter of a mile from Vidar 703 was an intence experience.

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xanty
09-13-2004, 11:27 AM
How can you hear the "whistling" form a F4U when inside a cockpit? I doubt that "whistling dead" was used by the japanese pilots...

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Daiichidoku
09-13-2004, 12:40 PM
probably most often whatever in Japanese equates to "^&&$%#%)^(^("!

fordfan25
09-13-2004, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by xanty:
How can you hear the "whistling" form a F4U when inside a cockpit? I doubt that "whistling dead" was used by the japanese pilots...

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it was the ground troops yhat called it that.wether oe not that name was used by jap piolets i dont know

Freycinet
09-13-2004, 02:22 PM
hmm, interesting that nobody seems to know... - let's see if we find out further down in the thread!

ImpStarDuece
09-13-2004, 06:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WOLFMondo:
I've read the Bristol Beaufighter got the nickname 'Whispering Death' from the Japanese. Not sure about the whispering bit but its certainly a very scary plane given what it can carry and its forward firepower.

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The Beau got the Whispering Death nickname because of the sleve valved Hercuels radials that it used in several Mks. These were aparently very, very quiet and Beaus would often conduct low level rocket attacks with their engines ideling in order to gain maximum suprise.

At least thats what ive read.

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sapre
09-14-2004, 04:49 PM
Mostly Corsair was called "Sikorsky" by Japanese Pilots.
Name Sikorsky came from the older company name of the Chance-Vought.

Curtiss-P6E-Hawk
09-14-2004, 06:01 PM
P-38 "Fortail Devil"

Aztek_Eagle
09-14-2004, 06:16 PM
Whistling Death was used by the japanese troops, the plane would tend to do that particiular sound that the corsairs does in his dive atack, and strafes, any one have been at an airshow wiht corsairs? the sounds is pretty neat, but i guess it would be Whistling Death if i was been strafed by it

OldMan____
09-15-2004, 05:29 AM
they called it .. enemy

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VMF223_Smitty
09-15-2004, 07:00 AM
The Japanese often referred to the USAAF P-39 and export model P-400 as the "long nose plane" during the Solomon Campaign

WereSnowleopard
09-15-2004, 01:01 PM
One thing in my mind when some of you talk about 'Whispering Death' as refer to Corsair F4U, I said myself "Impossible as they can hear it over big roaring radial engine" Is it possible? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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ImpStarDuece
09-15-2004, 06:02 PM
'Whistling' death is different from 'Whispering' death.

Whistling death was the name given to the Corsair because of the unique whisteling sound that was generated as air passed through the oil coolers, iirc

Whisphering death was the nickname given to the Beaufighter because of the quietness of it slevev valved radials when they were at low power settings.

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DIRTY-MAC
09-16-2004, 04:37 AM
this we all know
but we are talking about what the pilots called them.

WOLFMondo
09-16-2004, 04:58 AM
They may have called them the same as anyone else if they had been subject to an attack while on the groundhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Blood_Claw
09-16-2004, 08:26 AM
I dont know but what is "enemy" or "bogey" in Japanese? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Heavy_Weather
09-16-2004, 01:40 PM
interesting story Vidar, thx for sharing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Halfwit
09-16-2004, 03:25 PM
'whispering death' as the japanese nickname for the Beau is actually a piece of british wartime propaganda http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
although the sleeve valved Hercules really did whistle at high rpm the japanese troops prolly called it another ***@!/&gt;&lt; enemy coming

WOLFMondo
09-17-2004, 01:18 AM
I think you got 2 planes mixed up there.

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09-18-2004, 12:01 AM
A flying monsters.

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Aztek_Eagle
09-18-2004, 08:06 AM
they call them noob planes

Hades_Dragon
09-18-2004, 10:28 PM
Whistling Death had to of been given to the F4U by ground troops and you had to of been able to hear it, or else why would they put the diving sirens on the Stuka?

But I doubt Japanese Fighter Pilots would say, "Here comes Whistling Death from 3 o'clock high."

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Aztek_Eagle
09-29-2004, 07:23 PM
when they were on their six, they pretty much called them, "You little mother f***er"

gomer68
10-18-2006, 10:34 PM
According to Blackburn CO of VF-17, the ???whispering death??? nickname was something a Vought or Navy PR guy came up with and gave to a reporter.

LEBillfish
10-19-2006, 07:36 AM
From what I have read, most direct translations for heavies tend to give the manufacturers name as the nickname. In many instances B17s obviously, and wrongly B24's called Boeings.

Terms such as "Fork Tailed Devil", Whistling/Whispering Death and so on, often IMLTHO simply English literary license, or as some above speculate Allied propaganda. Is it possible, sure, and I'll try and look into it further yet from "diaries" of Japanese airmen I most often have read simply manufacturers names used.

Though just speculating no expert, you have to remember just like in U.S. culture propaganda, and even casual talk tends to degrade opponents to boost confidence including their equipment. Only when something is truly frightening is respect given using it's proper name........In kind and only guessing again, terms like Devil don't make sense as it applies western culture to eastern beliefs. Devils & Demons not always bad, Though I can't recall which pilot right off one Japanese ace nicknamed "the Devil". Yet more implying like we might Arch Angel I assume.

What I can tell you however is Gen. Kenny was referred to as "the Beast". Now that sounds like a scary definition yet could very well mean "uncontrolled/undisciplined/out of control" vs. threatening. So more an insult then statement of ferocity.

I'll try and spend some time looking it up better, yet you may find more accurate answers on j-aircraft.com .<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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VW-IceFire
10-19-2006, 03:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
One thing in my mind when some of you talk about 'Whispering Death' as refer to Corsair F4U, I said myself "Impossible as they can hear it over big roaring radial engine" Is it possible? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Most of these names...Whispering Death, Whistling Death, Fork Tailed Devil, and so forth tend to come from infantry.

As evidenced by other posts on the thread...typically Allied types were refered to by the manufacturing company name. I believe this practice was more in place with the pilots as they were generally better educated on their airborne foes than the infantry troops were. For obvious reasons of course.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Col._King
10-19-2006, 10:47 PM
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I read somewhere that the Corsair was dubbed as "Hissing Death" by the Japanese, while the Beaufighter was the "Whispering Death".
If I remember correctly it was reported in an Italian book I had while living in Italy. I'm not sure about the correctness of the source.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-19-2006, 11:03 PM
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10-20-2006, 06:56 AM
What is the American for "Hey, you should read the thread before repeating the same propaganda myths again!"?<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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Phil_C
10-20-2006, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Curtiss-P6E-Hawk:
P-38 "Fortail Devil" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya mean "forked" tail- from the twin boom design http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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10-21-2006, 08:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Phil_C:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Curtiss-P6E-Hawk:
P-38 "Fortail Devil" </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ya mean "forked" tail- from the twin boom design http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

That was what the Germans called it, not the Japanese.<div class="ev_tpc_signature">

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J_Anonymous
10-22-2006, 08:04 PM
I seem to recall reading many pilots' quote in the Japanese literature, "Grumman" to identify F6F (or F4F early on), "Boeing" for bombers, etc. My reading old days were mostly about IJN.

In general, "enemy planes" were commonly called "tekki"

??????

This word is consisted of two Chinese characters that mean "enemy" and "aircraft" respectively. So, the common phrase I hear in Japanese movie scenes of enemy air raid is

???????????? ("te-kki ra-i-syu-u")

which means "enemy aircraft approaching".

As far as I can remember, I never read / hear any pilot's account involving denigrating words to describe the allied planes or pilots. On the contrary, I remember they often used the word "te-ki-sa-n"

?????????

The first is a chinese character "enemy", the second and third characters are Japanese alphabet, pronounced "sa-n." "sa-n" is attached to call somebody in a friendly manner, e.g. "Mike-sa-n," or "Billfish-san".

Of course, the post-war accounts were written by or recorded from those pilots who managed to survive, and that do not necessarily represent the everyday conversation they had. But we also need to remember that pilots tend to be among the most well educated. For example, a significant fraction of those who were forced to "volunteer" to become kamikaze pilots were university students, for example.