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fordfan25
07-23-2005, 12:59 AM
what do u guys think of it?

FritzGryphon
07-23-2005, 01:14 AM
Smokin'

http://members.shaw.ca/evilgryphon3/burnbettyburn.jpg

Feathered_IV
07-23-2005, 01:24 AM
Engines and fuel cells are very vulnerable. Structurally pretty good though. Takes nasty flesh wounds in its stride. Not an easy kill for the spray n pray crowd.

JG53Frankyboy
07-23-2005, 01:59 AM
for interceptors armed with .30 ore .50 MGs it might be more durable than they thought......

but as a human pilot its lethal like hell - also if you are in a guner position http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Atomic_Marten
07-23-2005, 04:47 AM
I think - one relatively short burst from Hurricane and that's it.

F10_Chainsaw
07-23-2005, 06:31 AM
Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
I think - one relatively short burst from Hurricane and that's it.

I KNOW

(Been sprayed in 2 short burst by a Hurricane on Zekes_vs_Wildcat and my engines started to burn and aileron controls damaged)

F19_Olli72
07-23-2005, 06:37 AM
I think it was Joe Foss who said that he didnt think Bettys were that easy to shoot down?

Its fun to fly, although i still havent gotten used to right side pilots seat http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

JG53Frankyboy
07-23-2005, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by F10_Chainsaw:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Atomic_Marten:
I think - one relatively short burst from Hurricane and that's it.

I KNOW

(Been sprayed in 2 short burst by a Hurricane on Zekes_vs_Wildcat and my engines started to burn and aileron controls damaged) </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

the .303cal have more incendary rounds in their belts than the .50cal http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
07-23-2005, 06:50 AM
I have spend more than 100 missions playing with G4M. That is vulnerable aircraft (in relative comparison to other bombers, early russian SB bombers maybe belong to same category..).

Also once it gets fuel leak or black smoke from one fuel tank we can start to bail -- that is a one way ticket.(engine: out of fuel in no time) Down. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Franky it isn't incendiary issue only.
Like I said once you got fuel leak you wont last long and .50s are more than enough for that job. It appears that G4M did not have self-sealing tanks, so there is virtually no chance of making it back home once when fuel tank is ruptured (at least in game), except if we aren't close to home when that happens.

JG53Frankyboy
07-23-2005, 07:24 AM
sure the G4M1 Model 11 has no self sealing fuel tanks - what have you expected http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Atomic_Marten
07-23-2005, 07:37 AM
No really, I have expected you to be objective. That plane will give you no surprise except for 20mm cannon if you park on it's tail. Which is a foolish thing to do since it will go down for sure after your first pass.
That is my point http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

I see no point in yours
"for interceptors armed with .30 ore .50 MGs it might be more durable than they thought......".
I assure you that will never happen if Wildcat Hurricane Brewster (whatever.) interceptors are operated with at least half-brained humans.

To illustrate just how wrong is that sentence here is proof - short burst (http://free-vk.t-com.hr/domagoj/tracks/G4M_ftank_rupture.trk)(right click "save as", after that add extension .trk to downloaded file). G4M in track is BTW loaded with 100% fuel, and with empty loadout.

ElAurens
07-23-2005, 08:27 AM
Yes it is fragile, but it has wonderful flying qualities. If you are getting shot down a lot in it you are not flying high enough, especially in early war scenarios like Rangoon or Singapore in Zekes vs. Wildcats.

All the Nancy boy figher jocks are down in the weeds twisting and turning with each other...

JG53Frankyboy
07-23-2005, 08:42 AM
well, i have made my experiences fighting against and flying G4M in VOW2 , thx........

and btw, i did not say its a flying tank - just that some players micht be surprised about their DM , sometimes it can widestand some rounds - espacially if the player is thinking it will fall down in flames just when im looking sharp on it.

actionhank1786
07-23-2005, 10:01 AM
yeah it was Joe Foss, i remember reading his quote on it in the CFS2 Instruction manual!
That was a good manual...it's a shame they aren't made that way anymore http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

p1ngu666
07-23-2005, 11:57 AM
multitank support isnt in PF, so its like the betty is one flying fuel tank, a leak will drain ALL the fuel, same with any aircraft but with them u haveto get a grey fuel leak, the white ones will seal if plane has self sealing.

one of my biggest gripes with PF is teh fuel thing http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

oh and we need betty with the tail glass cutback so the rear gun doesnt spasm about horribly

Atomic_Marten
07-23-2005, 12:22 PM
Originally posted by ElAurens:
Yes it is fragile, but it has wonderful flying qualities. If you are getting shot down a lot in it you are not flying high enough, especially in early war scenarios like Rangoon or Singapore in Zekes vs. Wildcats.

All the Nancy boy figher jocks are down in the weeds twisting and turning with each other...

Good that you have mention this. Online, greed takes it's toll. That is especially true with bombers (multi-engined machines).
So instead of pump one good burst and leave, fighter pilot will risk and make as much passes as required in order to shot it down promptly. He will make such effort ONLY because he is afraid that someone else will jump in after him and pump a few bullets in already mortally damaged Betty just to 'steal his' 200 pts.

BTW I don't fly G4M online at all, I fly mostly fighters.

VW-IceFire
07-23-2005, 12:49 PM
G4M DM seems to be what I've read and seen about. If you aim for the fuel, you ran rapidly dispatch these planes. But the structure itself isn't all that bad and the rear turret is deadly for the callous fighter pilot.

IL2-chuter
07-24-2005, 10:15 AM
My beef (it concerns all aircraft, I guess http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif) is that fire doesn't melt the aluminum. Planes like the Betty and B-25 can fly on . . . and on . . . and on . . . burning and blazing away . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Art-J
07-24-2005, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by IL2-chuter:
My beef (it concerns all aircraft, I guess http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif) is that fire doesn't melt the aluminum. Planes like the Betty and B-25 can fly on . . . and on . . . and on . . . burning and blazing away . . . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

Yes it does! At least in the Betty. The fire spreads to second fuel tank in corresponding wing, then they're both on fire and then kaboom! There goes the wing away... But the whole process lasts pretty long - and that's good - You've got some time to gain altitude and bail out http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. I don't know how this works on other planes in 4.01. For example in one of recent P-38 threads I've read the Lightning has "everlasting engine fire", like in Your description, but I cannot confirm this, since I don't fly this plane very often.

Cheers - Art

JunkoIfurita
07-25-2005, 12:38 AM
I've been flying as a bomber driver in my squadron's internal WaW campaign, currently in Singapore early '42. What surprised me was just how effective the betty was in an early war scenario, against the Hurricane MkI and Buffalo MkI.

High, low, it didn't matter where we went, we could hold our own, often without fighter cover. Against the old RAF Buffolo's and Hurris, the Betty just soared away. The RAF jockeys had to rely on significantly steep dive attacks to have a chance at catching us, and even then they often found themselves slow enough to get caught by the sting in the tail. And the .303s had real trouble taking their toll - as mentioned only when the RAF started concentrating on the wing tanks did we start having trouble.

Most of our ops in Singapore have been low alt Torpedo missions against shipping. The flak was a problem here, but with a Zeke squad covering us we simply sent them on ahead a bit to circle the ships at altitude and draw away some of the covering fire. Very effective tactic.

However, once the allies got ahold of the P-40s and early Spits, THEN the Betty was in real trouble. Needs very little .50 cal to tear up a Betty. So it looks like, just as historically, we're restricted to high-alt level bomb runs from New Guinea onwards.

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