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pdog1
09-03-2004, 12:07 PM
These planes were finished months ago... Ju88, Mc202/205, Fiat G55, Tempest, etc.. and a host of others i can't even remember... alot of people want to fly Ju88... i guess no one cares anymore because of lame Pacific Fighters.. which is just more proof of VVS conspiracy, all the good axis planes are left out and UK planes like tempest are well over shadowed and all the uber spits....

pdog1
09-03-2004, 12:07 PM
These planes were finished months ago... Ju88, Mc202/205, Fiat G55, Tempest, etc.. and a host of others i can't even remember... alot of people want to fly Ju88... i guess no one cares anymore because of lame Pacific Fighters.. which is just more proof of VVS conspiracy, all the good axis planes are left out and UK planes like tempest are well over shadowed and all the uber spits....

Tooz_69GIAP
09-03-2004, 12:09 PM
You are partly right. The reason these aren't in the game yet is coz 1C doesn't have time until PF goes gold. Once PF is done, then they'll sort out the rest of the stuff like the Ju-88, and Italian aircraft, etc. Oleg said so. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

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09-03-2004, 12:10 PM
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faustnik
09-03-2004, 12:11 PM
Is the Mc202 finished? I really want to see that bird in FB. Almost as much as the Mc.200.

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pdog1
09-03-2004, 12:41 PM
Once PF is done then eh?
How long will that take?
Whats the point then, everyone will buy PF and probably be charged for these A/C in PF expansion pack to PF expansion pack, more lies and more expansion packs. Even so after PF release why would these ac be too? Don't think they will, its all propaganda, these ac never even existed i bet... shane

Willey
09-03-2004, 01:17 PM
I want a Me-410A and B badly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. They'd rock

jagdmailer
09-03-2004, 01:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willey:
I want a Me-410A and B badly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif. They'd rock<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I will second that!

BTW PDOG, if you want Mc 202/205, Ju 88 etc...you will have to buy PF.

Kind of a better or worse approach Oleg has taken. I am pissed that I have to pay for something I was not planning to buy to get the Ju 88 and few others. On the other hand, we will also get the planes that were initially being done for FB/AEP (B-26, A-20, Beaufighter...) and that were scooped by Luthier for his PF deal as Oleg plans the merge FB/AEP/PF. Overall, I think it's not a bad deal.

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Jetdoc_5th
09-03-2004, 02:13 PM
Can I vote to where the heck are the bombers both allied and aixes we wait and wait and wait and get told they are coming and we see all theses great screen shots but still no planes time for you guys to put or shut up give us a date set in stone and then stick to it. Instead of pulling our chain we have no real bombers the TB-3 and the HE-111 are targets waiting to be shot down gives us bomber pilots nothing to play with. but the fighter guys get what they want

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Tooz_69GIAP
09-03-2004, 03:27 PM
Guys, if you don't want to buy PF, then don't. As far as I am aware, you will still get the Ju-88 and Pe-2, and Italian aircraft, as they will be released in a big FB/AEP patch (presumably the absolute final one for just FB/AEP). So don't go getting yer panties in a strop!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif (Another thing that Oleg said http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif )

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WUAF_Badsight
09-03-2004, 04:10 PM
Pdog you need to surf & read more dude . . . . . the answers to your questions have already been covered in different threads

PF comes before christmas , mebe even october

PF will install into FB

FB stuff will still get released & all FB stuff will be able to be used in PF , cool aye !

& PF development has slowed FB stuff from coming . . . . . not stopped it , its still going to get here

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Willey
09-03-2004, 04:58 PM
Me-410A with 2 DB-603A, 1750hp TO power each. B has DB-603G (C3), 2000hp TO power http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

2 MG-17 and 2 MG-151/20 in the nose as well as 2 MG 131 Barbettes (45? down, 90? up, 7? "in", 45? "out"). Bomb bay for 2x 250kg or 2x 500kg.

/U1: 2 more MG 151/20 in the bay
/U2: 2 MK 103 with 100 rpg in the bay
/U3: 2 MK 108 with 100 rpg in the bay
/U2/R4: 2 MG 151/20 in the bay and a WT.151 Dual MG 151/20 pod on the fuselage
/U2/R5: 4 MG 151/20 in the bay
/U4: 50mm BK 5 in the bay

Me-410B-5: Torpedo bomber; "Sondertorpedo Friedensengel", SB-800RS roll bomb or SB-1000/410, a special "Minenbombe" for the 410
Me-410B-6: Instead of 2 MG 17: 2 MG 151/20 and 2 MK 103 in the bay

BK 5:
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW3/me410-003.jpg
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B2-50.jpg

/U2/R5:
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B2-47.jpg
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B2-45.jpg

/U2/R4:
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B1-44.jpg

WGr.21 6 tube revolver "Drehling", it could be emptied in 2 seconds (!):
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B1-40s.jpg

4 WGr.21 loadout:
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B2-WGR-52.jpg
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-B2-WGR-53.jpg

droptanks:
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/LCBW4/Me410-A1-37.jpg

Agamemnon22
09-03-2004, 05:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jetdoc_5th:
Can I vote to where the heck are the bombers both allied and aixes we wait and wait and wait and get told they are coming and we see all theses great screen shots but still no planes time for you guys to put or shut up give us a date set in stone and then stick to it.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



Guys, I think you're forgetting that this is after all a business. You can't seriously expect MG and whoever else to sit around for the next few years making FREE addons. If you don't want to buy the expansions that's your choice, but don't whine about how you're not getting anything for free, especially because of how much you DO get for free.

And of course the reason we have all these fighters and not bombers is because except for a select few, noone sat down and modelled a bomber cockpit. This is fan-art you're flying in. I guess fighters have more fans who happen to be modellers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LEXX_Luthor
09-03-2004, 06:40 PM
Don't let the pretend make believe Whining trick you.

They will buy FP.

Be Certain.


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JG7_Rall
09-03-2004, 06:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LEXX_Luthor:
Don't let the pretend make believe Whining trick you.

They will buy FP.

Be Certain.


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VW-IceFire
09-03-2004, 08:54 PM
Tempest isn't finished unless something happened over the last week that I didn't hear about.

LOD0 and the damage LOD was finished as far as I know. The rest not.

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crazyivan1970
09-04-2004, 01:51 AM
for pman, who can only type, but can`t read http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif :'D http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif :

From very first sticky thread

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
2. add-ons, if there will be such. But i would tell there are waiting a lot of third party aircraft currently - Italian, US, Russian and German - from these third party developers who is experinced already in modeling for FB/AEP (or better to say from these who don't speak too much on forums, but really make it good!). Notice: I think add-ons with the planes we can submit only for united version (option PF inot FB/AEP install). We will see after the release.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Thud-487BS
09-04-2004, 05:07 AM
I hate to sound so negative but personally, I doubt we'll ever see anymore FB/AEP updates. At least not with our acft wish list in it. Once PF is released the focus will be on fixing its problems and/or on the next Sim line.
I guess I'll just have to slap some paint on an He-111 and call it an Allied Bomber. My interpretation of what I've read is the only way you'll get a flyable B-25 is you'll have to buy PF and install it into FB/AEP.

Monty_Thrud
09-04-2004, 06:40 AM
You will all buy Pacific Fighters

You will all enjoy Pacific Fighters

There will be patches, which you will also enjoy

The JU88, MC202/205, FiatG55, Tempest,Spitfire will join the stable

You shall enjoy them all and you will kick butt in them

This will keep us going till BoB is released...then it all starts all over again

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VOL_Mountain
09-04-2004, 01:05 PM
I'm actually feeling very positive about what the future holds for the combined PF/FB pilot.

Lots of new aircraft on the horizon.

Best of all, they will be integrated into one simulation. That really is a bonus because bombers released for use in PF will find their way into FB as well.

~Salute~ to all who are making contributions to this (the best) combat flight sim available.

Come fall/winter of 2004 I'll be purchasing two coppies of PF; one for myself and another as a Christmas present for a fellow pilot who happens to be on my gift list. Yes, this is a business and well worth the cost for the product.

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pdog1
09-04-2004, 02:50 PM
Woah wait a minute, now im confused.
So with PF will come all these planes, Ju88, Italian fighters, Tempest, Me410, whatever.
Right?
Or?
whats he mean united version of PF?
Theres more than one?
So if you buy united version of PF it goes into FB and adds pacific **** stuff to FB along with addon planes?
Or there is standalone PF to?
What?
I need some beer now

Aaron_GT
09-04-2004, 03:07 PM
The 3D models may be done but that doesn't mean that the FM and DMs are. And just imagine the complaints if the FMs don't hit all the performance figures!

crazyivan1970
09-04-2004, 04:11 PM
pman, There will be no more development of new AEP features or AEP aircraft untill PF is released. Maddox team dropped just about everything, including BOB and finishing up PF first. Once PF is released and stable O.M. and his crew will figure out plan of how and when new planes and features will be included into AEP-PF combo.

Hope i made it clear to some extent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Tooz_69GIAP
09-04-2004, 04:31 PM
Pdog, here's how I understand it:

You have AEP right now. There should be a patch on it's way hopefully before the end of the year containing the Ju-88, B-25(?), A-20(?), Pe-2(?), Italian aircraft, Typhoon/Tempest(? - I forget which has the pit being done), and whatever else. That will be for AEP only.

PF will be released as a stand alone product. This will contain all the PF stuff (obviously).

If you have AEP, you can install PF on top of AEP and everything becomes integrated, so you can fly Betty's over Helsinki, and Yaks over Singapore if you want.

Now, what I am not sure about is if the AEP patch released at the end of the year (hopefully earlier) will work with the combined AEP/PF install, or only with AEP. But I reckon it will work on the combined install as well, but we'll just have to wait and see.

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TooCool_12f
09-05-2004, 06:58 AM
about "planes that are finished"

the external models may be finished, but you need also damaged 3D models, and you need cockpits if you want to fly them. Not all of them are finished and some that were need some corrections, from what I've read.. and PF gets the highest priority now.

I guess we'll get them later...

Willey
09-05-2004, 08:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:
Woah wait a minute, now im confused.
So with PF will come all these planes, Ju88, Italian fighters, Tempest, Me410, whatever.
Right?
Or?
whats he mean united version of PF?
Theres more than one?
So if you buy united version of PF it goes into FB and adds pacific **** stuff to FB along with addon planes?
Or there is standalone PF to?
What?
I need some beer now<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nope. The next thing we'll get is PF. It's out in a month roughly if nothing goes wrong. Then there might be some fixes for it first, and after that or directly after the PF release they start including the stuff like Ju-88, Pe-2, Tempest, MC 20x etc. That addon will be for the united version. PF will come as a single product which can either be installed as PF-only, as an addon over AEP or even both. So you'll need to have the AEP + PF version for further upgrades. But there are no new AEP planes *in* PF, they'll come later. Just some fixes.

dux-1
09-05-2004, 11:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TooCool_12f:
about "planes that are finished"

the external models may be finished, but you need also damaged 3D models, and you need cockpits if you want to fly them. Not all of them are finished and some that were need some corrections, from what I've read.. and PF gets the highest priority now.

I guess we'll get them later...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


The Italian birds ARE DONE (from the model point of view.. WITH EVERYTHING - damage,shadows,cockpits....) Now Oleg and team are (or will) implement them into the game (i.e. FM,....)

S!

269GA-Veltro
09-05-2004, 03:59 PM
Hi Pdog!!! How are you?

You are right, C 202, C 205 and G55 are in Moscow completed (models, lods, cockpits, textures, damaged models and textures)...but as Oleg said, we must wait for the Pacific release and then, we could have some news about them.

Oleg will decide to include them in AEP2...not others, we can only hope.

We have to wait.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But if we'll have this beauty with 3 MG 151/20 as default armament... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Philipscdrw
09-05-2004, 04:47 PM
Lol. PF will be great from a gaming/sim point of view, a sales PoV, an artistic PoV, from Maddox's PoV, from Ubi's PoV, and our point of view. Shuddup you gripers, go buy a dog and moan to it instead.

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XyZspineZyX
09-05-2004, 11:28 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
pman, There will be no more development of new AEP features or AEP aircraft untill PF is released. Maddox team dropped just about everything, including BOB and finishing up PF first. Once PF is released and stable O.M. and his crew will figure out plan of how and when new planes and features will be included into AEP-PF combo.

Hope i made it clear to some extent http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

We don't want MORE planes, we want those we have now to be better.
Ye gods, How about a flyable bomber, a B24/ B 25 ? A lancaster even ?
"Too much resources needed" is the reply. Well no wonder too much resources is needed, it is being wasted on items that most will never fly.

Sure Bob is being made....great. Improved engine...fantastic

Intead of wasting resources, how about redirecting resources to something more inline with what is being asked for. Change the mindset from more planes to better quality. (and I don't mean Image Quality)

Man, CFS2 community has pages and pages and pages and pages of planes on many, many sites.......overloaded with planes, in fact.

I work in entertainment - music, so I have a fair idea of how publishers think (this is not a sleight) and they'll always go for the ritz, the pop, the attractive, the eye candy, the selling factor.
Quite often it is the publisher, that directs the development, not the act
Really good bands that have an excellent product will never get a look in as long as there is eyecandy about. Usually, the eyecandy is an average product, that is more mass produced pop, than anything REAL
I see this as the same as too many planes. The more planes, the more arcaders will go, "this is great, I can have almost any plane I want, bombers are too hard to fly, I want to get in there with any plane I want and do some shooting down. Keep them simple, not too hard, I don't want to fly, I want to shoot." - These few idiots are spoiling a damn good sim, that is a very good product (limitations accepted) for something has average eyecandy. More than enough planes, imo, is the same brittainy spears or any of those other bubblegum pop tarts.

We want substance, not glitz.

Tooz_69GIAP
09-06-2004, 12:54 AM
Vagueout, I agree with you, but the aircraft we are talking about are mostly bomber aircraft like Ju-88, A-20, B-25, Pe-2, Mosquito, Beaufighter, and I'm sure a few others.

You try flying in an online war with the only bomber you have is the TB-3!!!!! The Pe-2 should have been in from the start, but no, unfortunately it was started and stopped a good few times til Agamemnon came along. And the bombers thing has always been about "takes too long, not enough pit pix, etc, etc", whereas the fighters are "glamorous" and "sexy", so they get priority with the modellers (also, they are easier than modelling 4 or 5 stations in a bomber).

These aircraft are really quite important in terms of substance for the sim. What is not important is to have 5 zillion versions of Spitfires, 109s, 190s, Yaks, etc, etc.

But, it has to be said, everything we got up to version 1.22 was got for the price of 30.00, or whatever FB was when it was released, and then another 20.00 for AEP, and then another 30.00 for PF when it comes out. Not bad I'd say.

But yes, there are plenty of things that should probably be looked at, but are skirted in order to satisfy the clamour for "more planes now".

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269GA-Veltro
09-06-2004, 01:55 AM
Well said! We don't need others birds, we need JU 88, Pe2, Mosquito, Tempest and the damn italian birds. If we'll not have this time the italian birds....how many years we had to wait again to fly them? And i'm talking about "Folgore", "Veltro", "Centauro", ecc. ecc. quite differents from G50 and CR 42.

AEP2 will be probably a strong addon, a very strong addon.

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dux-1
09-06-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Philipscdrw:
Lol. PF will be great from a gaming/sim point of view, a sales PoV, an artistic PoV, from Maddox's PoV, from Ubi's PoV, and our point of view. Shuddup you gripers, go buy a dog and moan to it instead.

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View Cpt. Eric Brown's review of FB http://www.aerosociety.com/raes/news/SimReview.pdf and discuss it http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=63110913&m=309109534&r=875101634#875101634

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Another gentleman joins the discussion.. Such class..

pdog1
09-06-2004, 05:48 PM
Ciao veltro, io sto male, come sempre....
Io non ho giogacto FB per 3 mesi... e io non giogco FB quando sei sono italiani A/C forzi come il Folgore, Veltro e Centauro!
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Thud-487BS
09-07-2004, 06:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tooz_69GIAP:
You try flying in an online war with the only bomber you have is the TB-3!!!!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly! It reminds me of a sailboat more than an aircraft.

269GA-Veltro
09-07-2004, 07:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pdog1:
Ciao veltro, io sto male, come sempre....
Io non ho giogacto FB per 3 mesi... e io non giogco FB quando sei sono italiani A/C forzi come il Folgore, Veltro e Centauro!
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Aztek_Eagle
09-07-2004, 11:44 PM
i just want something fast, good loads, good for multiple roles, (anti ship, anti tank) capable of low level, midium, and high level bombing, able to take me to target and back afther taking a beating... sounds like the pe2 and the ju88s are waht i am looking for, cant wait

269GA-Veltro
09-08-2004, 05:06 AM
Pe2 is a must for the Eastern Front, and finally we'll have it. Jippo's Ju 88 is simple a dream, a big thank to him, really a work of art. Mosquito is also a very good addition.
But we need also some others good Axis fighters to take care of Spitfire Mark IX and Pony, and the italian "serie 5" is the best option i think,.....at least for the blue team. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

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VW-IceFire
09-08-2004, 10:28 PM
Reason why there hasn't been a Pe-2 till now is because there was no Pe-2 information to make a cockpit. Apparently the best sources of information have surfaced only in the last few months and after a fairly substantial drive and contacting more than a few museums to get the information.

Its easy to make Mustangs into the game because there are still tons of Mustangs around.

For the people who say we get no bombers:
- Ju-88 (many versions confirmed)
- Mosquito (flyable confirmed)
- A-20 (in PF)
- Beaufighter (in PF)
- B-25 (in PF)

Add in the Pe-2 and then the tactical fighters and you've got alot of ground pounding going on! Whats the problem?

And yes a full scale heavy bomber is probably 6-7 other fighter/attack aircraft combined. Plus we have no maps that would truly take advantage of one...while thats not a primary criteria my question is where do you have room to takeoff, form up, fly to target at high alt, bomb, and then return to base. PF may help here....but more flexible medium bombers let you do it. Now you have many options.

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