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jasonsagert
08-16-2006, 01:24 AM
I've been away from SH3 for awhile and was very excited to have the time to play again. Anyway, I've read stories like this before, but had never experienced one.

I started with a career in '42, type IXC. My first patrol was to grid CA65--operation drumbeat! Good times I think.

I run into a random C3 and sink it and then spend a bunch of time patroling off of NY--near the continental shelf (I like deep water http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) Anyway, the weather had been bad for a bit so I was spending most of my time submerged listening to sonar. I went to the surface to recharge my batteries before it got light--it took a bit longer than I'd anticipated so we were on the surface at dawn--no big deal, I think. The weather is pretty bad.

Well, I go up and check the bridge to see how things are looking and what do I see--A destroyer bearing down on us at about 3500 meters away--dead ahead. WHAT!!?? How my watch crew didn't see it is beyond me.

I order periscope depth, and turn hard to starboard, thinking it might not have seen us and I might be able to sink it.

It comes into range, I shoot my 2 aft torps. I'm listening for impacts when I start to hear depth charges--it had definitly seen us. Both torps missed. The destroyer was changing speed too much to hit easily.

I was able to escape easily enough--but my watch crew got a tongue lashing of the likes they'll never hear again!!

Cheers,

J

Shahed_Kazi
08-16-2006, 02:46 AM
Well.... quite a contrast to my play style, is why I enjoyed reading that more than otherwise.

1. Happens very often that the crew miss something. I'm not sure but belive it is related to the endurance and qualifications of the watch officer and his entourage. I've had a destroyer close within 200 meters and the only sign I had that of it's existence was a shell splash in the water next to the conning tower. The visibility obviously plays a part as well.'You can spot targets 15 kms away and more in good visibility, and you can spot target 300m away in the worst weather. ANother thig is time zoom, if you have it set to max or high whatever.. and the game is lagging a bit, the minutes jump in increments of 3, this increases the chances that you will be closer to the contact when the time zoom resets and you get a spotted message (if you get it at all). I routinely check the bridge myself where I expect contact.

2. Destroyers and other escort ships are a delight to kill but I never engage them unless extremely seriously threatened. I consider it a waste of ammo, FAR better prey out there. I'd feel like a shark hunting a tadpole. and that's about as satiated my appetite would be. Only ever sunk one and that was because I really had to.

jasonsagert
08-16-2006, 04:24 AM
Yes, I agree with all the points you made--and have experience with most.

I'm well aware of the time compression issues and such. And also aware of crew qualifications and how bad/good weather affects their ability. Honestly, I can't remember what time compression I was running at before this happened, but I'd been at 1X for probably 30 sec.

This situation simply made me laugh as the destroyer was SOO obviously there. You had to have been blind not to see it.

And yes, engaging destroyers is dangerous business. The only reason that I engaged this destroyer was 1) I was firing TII's, so no trail, 2) it lined up for a perfect aft shot less than 500 yards, and 3) wasn't sure if it had spotted me (it was really close) and if I hit it, it wouldn't be able to pursue.

I never choose to engage a destroyer--sometimes you just have to http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif In retrospect, it wasn't an effective use of the torps--but it did feel like self defense at the time.

Damn, I forgot how fun this game is. I'm off to sink some ships.

Cheers

J

Shahed_Kazi
08-16-2006, 05:03 AM
Last night I was in Scapa Flow and the watchman did#nt report anything, and when he did it took him ages. In case you are wondering, yes, surfaced and breathing in the Western approach to Scapa. I could see the Corvette patrols clearly with bare eyes but no report from the Watchman, he was exhausted though.

I only don't like killing escaorts because they are pathetic and worthless, but I do LOVE playing with them, have sneaked right up to 250 meters with a V&W and periscoped it. Once I got the ping run silent and sneaked away. It's worth a laugh. Once I'm content with my crew's medals and exp, I'll do at least one patrol hunting only destroyers just because I'd enjoy the kills sooo much, then again probably run into a big fat juicy convoy, and forget all about it.

Off the finish 12th patrol.

Baldricks_Mate
08-16-2006, 05:17 PM
You haven't lived in SH3 until you hunt Escorts in shallow water. I mean shallow so they settle with their helpless little masts poking up through the waves. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/34.gif

Load up those torps and chase a bunch, its intense and immensely satisfing. Not historically accurate but a lot of fun. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

For an extra dose of pressure, play it DiD. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Its like playing speed chess against multiple opponents but you don't lose, you die.

Shahed_Kazi
08-16-2006, 05:45 PM
What's DiD ?

baggygreen
08-16-2006, 06:13 PM
Dead is Dead..

basically if your captain dies, its time to start anew. no reloading the game from your last save or anything..

Bubblehead1948
08-16-2006, 06:44 PM
1. Happens very often that the crew miss something. I'm not sure but belive it is related to the endurance and qualifications of the watch officer and his entourage.


http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Couldn't agree more. I have no confidence at all in a bridge crew which does not consist of at least one or perhaps two QUALIFIED watch petty officers, or one QUALIFIED watch officer. accompanied by at least one petty officer. If you put a handful of enlisted or non qualified people up there; it'll get you killed sooner or later.

hueywolf123
08-16-2006, 10:41 PM
Ok, I have problems with my watchcrew only early on in each patrol. Upon leaving harbour, I go to the bridge and lock the uzo onto the flak boat escorting me, the watch officer will then shout 'ship spotted'. From then on, they will spot everything. I use the WO, a watch qual'd PO and three other PO's on my bridge.

Bubblehead1948
08-17-2006, 05:54 PM
Ok, I have problems with my watchcrew only early on in each patrol. Upon leaving harbour, I go to the bridge and lock the uzo onto the flak boat escorting me, the watch officer will then shout 'ship spotted'. From then on, they will spot everything. I use the WO, a watch qual'd PO and three other PO's on my bridge.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Its annoying, but predictable program behavior. Be glad. The code doesnt attempt to diminish (or distinguish) what it was designed to do just because you are surrounded by friendly sightings. It dont care; its just doin' its job with the same instructions it uses 1000km at sea. see?

Now... Perhaps the most dramatic example I ever saw of the impact QUALIFICATION has in a crewmembers performance was the following:

Two petty officers each operating a 20mm mount in the rear of a type IX.

They are under orders to fire at will upon all closing aircraft regardless of type.

One petty officer is a qualified AA gunner; the other is not.

A wave of 5 Swordfish torpedo planes attack.

One gunner turns and opens up on the planes; splashing two, and throwing the others off their
mark. It was gratifying.

The othe gunner stood there; seemingly unaware of the presence of the planes, and did nothing!

Guess which one was a trained gunner? Don't you
want one of those on your bridge? Maybe two!

Just a thought.

AO1_AW_SW_USN
08-17-2006, 07:22 PM
What I do stems from history. If the crew fails to perform their duties I will hold a Non Judicial Punishment (Captain‚‚ā¨ôs Mast) on the offenders and then order a Keel Hauling.

I'll have thier ankles tied with a line of rope and dumped over the bow of the U-Boat. They will scrape, bump and slam against the barnacle-covered hull. This serves as a lesson on what happens to derelicts who stands a poor watch on my boat! ARGHHH ye Matee!