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VW-IceFire
10-03-2004, 08:57 AM
We've all seen them. There are six or seven threads in recent history complaining about the lack of torpedo bombers in Pacific Fighters. At least shipping with PF anyways.

However, the consistent comment seems to be that we have no torpedo bombers at all. This is entirely not true.

The earliest flyables list has mentioned that we are indeed getting the Beaufighter T.F. Mark X. Here's a bit of a history on the Beaufighter.

http://www.club-tm.ru/Airfix/Catalog/ai2003.jpg

"The Beaufighter T.F.X was the final major production variant and passed through several important modification stages without any change in its Mark number. These included, in particular, the introduction of A.I.Mk.VIII radar in a "thimble" nose--this radar having been found suitable for ASV use--and a large dorsal fin (after a trial installation on a Beaufighter 11, T3032) to give the required directional stability and linked with an increase in elevator area to improve longitudinal stability. Before deliveries of the Beaufighter X could begin, a batch of sixty Beaufighter VIs with Hercules XVI engines and provision for torpedo-carrying was built. These were designated Beaufighter VI (I.T.F.)--interim torpedo fighter--and were converted to Mark Xs when more Hercules XVII engines became available.

To the Japanese, the Beaufighter became known as "The Whispering Death" (not be confused with "Whistling Death F4U Corsair) which gives some idea of the speed at which one could suddenly appear, strike and turn for home. Beaufighters were also flown by the air forces of Australia, New Zealand and, in small numbers, the US. In Britain they remained flying as target tugs throughout the 1950s.

When the last Beaufighter (SR919) left the Bristol Aeroplane Company's Weston-super-Mare works on September 21, 1945, a total of 5,562 aircraft of this type had been produced in the United Kingdom. Of these some 1,063 were Mark Vls and 2,231 were Mark Xs. During its operational career it had played a prime role in defeating the Luftwaffe's night "blitz" of 1940-1941, and it had operated in every major campaign of the war, carrying out the last operational sortie of the European war, a strike against German shipping in the Skagerrak, and serving with distinction in the Pacific until the capitulation of Japan. The Beaufighter may have been the product of improvisation but it was a remarkably successful one."
(http://www.aviation-history.com/bristol/beaufite.html)

It may not be the typical Avenger or Kate but this isn't a typical game by any stretch of the imagination. Take pride in the fact that this may be the first time a simulation has shipped with a Beaufighter flyable right from the box. Its a plane that gets forgotten alot but its got a great reputation, a good history, and it can carry a load of torpedos and rockets for all your anti-shipping needs.

Plus, 4x20mm Hispano cannons, 6 .303 machine guns, and another .303 in a turret mounting at the back. Airfields and ships should be worried.

This game doesn't entirely lack torpedo bombers. They are there...just not the one you would expect.

Arm_slinger
10-03-2004, 09:19 AM
And theres the IL-2T http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

oes anyone happen to know if any other version of the beaufighter will be made flyable? The cockpits can't be that different can they? If at all

I'd love to take up the Beau that has the 6 pounder gun mounted in it. Cant remember what version it is

Bull_dog_
10-03-2004, 09:22 AM
The Beau is conspicuously absent from many discussions, but it is my second favorite strike aircraft next to the Mossie. Unfortunately it was not a carrier plane and I think that is the rub in this game...so hopefully a patch will soon correct it if the final release is truly without a carrier borne torpedo plane.

The unofficial plane list has several Beaufighter varients, but only one later version flyable...hope the rest make it too! I for one will be flying a Beau often on and off line! At least until the Mossie makes it. Too bad Oleg didn't include the Mossie in the game...some did serve in the pacific theater.

Arm_slinger
10-03-2004, 09:41 AM
The Beau is going to be one of my main rides i think. For some reason i have quite an affection for it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif- Fast and deadly in the strike role, and a pretty efferctive fighter as well http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif. That is until the more advanced japanese stuff appears

mllaneza
10-03-2004, 09:45 AM
I've been playing the wargame War in the Pacific recently (on hiatus pending patch, sound familiar ?) and I've come to a newfound respect for the Beaufighter V-IX. That's the torpedo carrying variant in the game. Squadrons flying that plane have sunk battleships, shattered invasion convoys and blockaded oil producing ports.

I can't wait to try it myself.

Fritzofn
10-03-2004, 10:29 AM
gimme a carrier without a conning tower, and i will make both the B17 and PE8 carrierborn planes :P

Seriously: why aint there so many famous torpedo planes in the game??? did they all die and get scraped???

cockpits: there wasa ww2 series about this family, they had a son that was a divebomber??? dont remember the series, but iwe bet that u can get some great cockpit shots of torpedo planes and divebombers

VW-IceFire
10-03-2004, 11:02 AM
Well I think the problems stem from sources and time.

The Avenger there are still flying examples and the cockpit isn't too hard I would think to get the necessary material, photos, etc.

Then you've got the ball turret gunner position and you've got the ventral turret gunner/bombadier/navigator/useful guy position. So three positions, like a mini bomber.

I don't know the Kate so well but I think it was the same sort of thing. The problem with the Kate being that pretty much all examples are now on the ocean floor, rotting in a jungle, or in very small pieces after slamming themselves or nearly slamming themselves into Allied shipping.

The problem with the Kate is similar to the problem with the Devastator. I don't think any survived the war or were scrapped after they were withdrawn from service.

So its tricky.

Snootles
10-03-2004, 11:05 AM
The TF.X had ASV radar?! Wouldn't that be really neat, to fly a torpedo bomber with authentic WWII search radar...

Dunkelgrun
10-03-2004, 11:05 AM
From UbiRazz's plane list in the stickys above:

Bristol Beaufighter Mk 21 - Flyable
Bristol Beaufighter IIF - AI
Bristol Beaufighter IINF - AI
Bristol Beaufighter VI - AI
Bristol Beaufighter VIC - AI
Bristol Beaufighter X - AI


Only the Mk21 flyable at least until the patch. No torps yet. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Arm_slinger
10-03-2004, 11:15 AM
Hopefully we'll get the Mk X in time. It had a whacking great big cannon. From memory it might of been either a 6 pounder or a bofors

VW-IceFire
10-03-2004, 11:22 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong. The Mark 21 is a Mark X just built in Australia with a few modifications?

Arm_slinger
10-03-2004, 11:41 AM
Yes, it was tropicalised mostly and uses pratt and whitney engines as the Aussies thought there might of been a problem in supplying them with Bristol Hercules engines

actionhank1786
10-03-2004, 02:08 PM
Personally, i dont care what version of the plane we get, I'm going to love any version. 4 20s, and 6....303's...those can go through people right?...
I can't seem to down planes with the .303 so yeah, i'm loving the 20's atleast.
Anyways
The Beaufighter's always had a soft spot in my hearty, simply because it looks so **** cool.
But yeah, i'm gonna be sinking ships with that and the A-20
mmmmmmmmm sinking ships

Arm_slinger
10-03-2004, 02:30 PM
The Mk 21 has 4 .50's rather than 6 .303's http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WOLFMondo
10-03-2004, 03:50 PM
Pilots manual:
http://www.burrowes.org/FamilyTree/E.F.G.Burrowes_LogBook/extras/Beaufighter-Manual/

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
Well I think the problems stem from sources and time.

The Avenger there are still flying examples and the cockpit isn't too hard I would think <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://www.clubhyper.com/reference/beau21referecebg_1.htm

Not sure of any others apart from the one other in Australia. I would have though there would be at least one between Duxford and Hendon museums.

Arm_slinger
10-03-2004, 06:46 PM
The one at Hendon is a Mk X http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nice to see the pilots manual site works again. I tried to get it earlier to add to my list

-HH-Dubbo
10-03-2004, 07:26 PM
Mmmmmm Beaufighters. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.angelfire.com/falcon/nightschpanker/Beautorp.jpg

Bolt40
10-03-2004, 07:28 PM
Wonderful that the Beaufighter is included in PF , but to leave out the TBM , B5N in a Pac Sim
is like leavin the Pe-2 & Ju-88 out of IL2..ooh waitttt...they did http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I'd rather have flyable planes in a Sim than a bunch of AI variants of the same plane that we really don't stinkin' need . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif

Snootles
10-03-2004, 07:37 PM
We need everything we can get!!

Apart from, say, a flying submersible USS Midway... http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

WOLFMondo
10-04-2004, 03:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bolt40:
Wonderful that the Beaufighter is included in PF , but to leave out the TBM , B5N in a Pac Sim
is like leavin the Pe-2 & Ju-88 out of IL2..ooh waitttt...they did http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/35.gif I'd rather have flyable planes in a Sim than a bunch of AI variants of the same plane that we really don't stinkin' need . http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/blink.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Its probably down to who got time to model it. The flyable Avenger I bet will appear. Who knows what problems there might have been in development. Im just pleased to have a real forgotten aircraft that probably had as much to do with the allied victory as the Hurricane or Mosquito but rarely gets such legendary recognition that it deserves.

306TigerLima
10-04-2004, 09:50 AM
In Portugal We use some BEAU in 50's, if you like see more informations visit http://aviation-hobby-site.com/ampPhtogal.htm
It's agreat sitewhid lot's of information.

actionhank1786
10-04-2004, 10:03 AM
Ok i'm just wondering.
The pronunciation of the Beau in Beau fighters.
Is it "Beyoo" like the beginning of Beautiful, or Boo, or Bow as in Bow and Arrow
Thanks guys

WOLFMondo
10-04-2004, 11:15 AM
Depends on where you come fromhttp://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

Im not sure but I think the original Beaufort was named after Sir Francis Beaufort who was Irish. The Beaufighter is just a play on words from the Beaufort torpedo bomber.

Arm_slinger
10-04-2004, 11:24 AM
I think it Beeyo as in beautiful ( how i remember it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif) but i call it "bow" more often than not

One13
10-04-2004, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Hopefully we'll get the Mk X in time. It had a whacking great big cannon. From memory it might of been either a 6 pounder or a bofors <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you are thinking of the Mosquito FB.XVII (dubbed the Tse-Tse Fly) which carried the 57mm six-pounder Molins cannon with 25 rounds. This could also carry eight 60lb rockets or bombs.
We are possibly getting the Mosquito but I do not think they have modelled this version.

Dunkelgrun
10-04-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by actionhank1786:
Ok i'm just wondering.
The pronunciation of the Beau in Beau fighters.
Is it "Beyoo" like the beginning of Beautiful, or Boo, or Bow as in Bow and Arrow
Thanks guys <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bow and Arrow or Bo Peep. That's how I've always thought of it. Beaufort is definitely Bo - re the Beaufort Scale for Wind Speed.

Cheers!

Arm_slinger
10-04-2004, 02:47 PM
I dunno now, i have always called it "bow" so i think i'll stick to calling it that http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

One13: I'm 99% certain the beau called carry the 6 pounder. I'm planning on going to RAF Hendon very soon so i'll satisfy my curiosity. I'll take some photos as well and post my findings http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Burnin_777_AVG
10-04-2004, 09:57 PM
You guys will like the Beau.

BV

Fritzofn
10-04-2004, 11:05 PM
hmmm, why do i feel like the Beau will be shot down like............fish in a barrel???
i mean, serious....there is no 2 engined plane in IL-2 that handles like a fighter, so Online, i belive the Beau will have a problem....

Aaron_GT
10-05-2004, 02:43 PM
The Beaufighter wasn't especially maneouverable AFAIK. It should be not much better than the Blenheim (from which it is derived, via the Beaufort). The Bleheim is pretty handy for twin engined bomber, though.

On a tangent, I read that the Stirling had a very tight turning circle and in mock dogfights with Hurricanes could throw them off via maneouver. Does anyone have more definitive information for how nimble the Stirling actually was? (The best looking RAF heavy if you ask me).

VW-IceFire
10-05-2004, 06:17 PM
Blenhiem apparently also has a very tight turning circle for an aircraft of its size. I suspect the Beau has some similar characteristics.

Online, it depends on how its used. It does have a turret gun to ward off the exceptionally careless. Aside from that, proper piloting and good team tactics can keep it safe long enough to pound the target.

If you can survive in a IL-2 then you probably can in a Beau. Added advantage of having two engines as well.

Not a plane to be used as a dogfighter either...that'd be silly. But some Spitfires for escort and the Beau can do quite handily. Of course, any plane that gets infront can be turned into small pieces quickly.

WOLFMondo
10-06-2004, 12:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fritzofn:
hmmm, why do i feel like the Beau will be shot down like............fish in a barrel???
i mean, serious....there is no 2 engined plane in IL-2 that handles like a fighter, so Online, i belive the Beau will have a problem.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The P38?!?!? That handles like a fighter.

-HH-Dubbo
10-06-2004, 04:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Aaron_GT:
..................... the Stirling actually was? (The best looking RAF heavy if you ask me). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never thought I'd see someone say the Stirling was best looking...or even good looking. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But hey, these differences in taste is what makes life interesting right?

WOLFMondo
10-06-2004, 06:34 AM
I always though it was the underpowered runt of the RAF 4 engined bombers.