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VW-IceFire
03-03-2005, 09:57 PM
If there was to be another (we already have Normandy and a rough approximation of the Ardennes region) Western front map with the following specifications, where would you make it?

Take the average map size of a FB map (say around 150kmx150km or so) and then consider the that the map would need the following.

- Date would be late 1944 or February-March 1945
- Use by the RAF 2nd TAF in air superity and ground attack missions (Tempest V, Spitfire XIV, Spitfire IX, Mosqutio(?) Mustang III/IV and so forth)
- Use by Luftwaffe units flying Me-262, FW190D-9, and/or Bf-109K-4
- Possible use by USAAF units (although thats a given over the entire area - not specifically on the ground)
- For there to be a map such as this made...we'd need topographical maps, a given area, details on the frontline (for the DCG) and a few other options

If in theory this were to be done...what would you do?

Tooz_69GIAP
03-04-2005, 12:10 AM
I'd do Holland - the area where Market Garden happened, on the dutch-german border, etc.

Gives potential for some good scenarios.

cygfrain
03-04-2005, 02:05 AM
I agree with Tooz_69GIAP Dutch/GE border would be good for simulating engagements such as Bodenplatte 01.01.45 offering the opportunity for ground attack and low level dogfights.

MEGILE
03-04-2005, 03:55 AM
The netherlands would be the best choice.

NAFP_supah
03-04-2005, 04:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by cygfrain:
I agree with Tooz_69GIAP Dutch/GE border would be good for simulating engagements such as Bodenplatte 01.01.45 offering the opportunity for ground attack and low level dogfights. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And lots of mid war bomber interception missions! I live in the netherlands near to leeuwarden which was a big war time airbase with a nightfighter unit stationed there but also some dayfighter units that got withdrawn from the fighting in france to recouperate. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I'd love to have it in game! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

csThor
03-04-2005, 04:21 AM
The problem here is the location itself. If you choose a significant area to model (southern Netherlands and Belgium) you are automatically getting in the area of the Ruhr. With that many objects I fear the map will be unplayable especially since the german airfields of 1945 were behind the Rhine.

VW-IceFire
03-04-2005, 07:18 AM
Yeah...we've got to stay away from the Rhur. I think maybe the border along the Netherlands and German border in the north is an option but I can't find data on airbases or maps of the area...frontline movement key too.

Anyone have resources to be dug up?

VW-IceFire
03-04-2005, 03:10 PM
Would anyone have a map around Volkes airbase in the WWII era (1945)? Or know what German bases would be nearby?

p1ngu666
03-04-2005, 08:55 PM
a guy earned a VC flying during market garden http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

he was flying a dc3 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif!

JadehawkII
03-05-2005, 10:06 AM
How about Italy???? Can't we have one going up the boot? or am I gonna get the "boot" from you guys? http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif kidding aside, it would be nice to do some maps of this area. Thanks guys! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

p1ngu666
03-05-2005, 10:16 AM
italy silicy would be nice http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/burmamap.jpg

http://premium1.uploadit.org/pingu666/burmamap2.jpg

i want burma, cos it sounds interesting, and my grandad served there as a medic http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ill take anything, but something different is my perference http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-05-2005, 12:22 PM
All Med maps have been reserved by 1C:MG, so it's a no to Italy.

LeadSpitter_
03-05-2005, 01:00 PM
operation Big week

GT182
03-05-2005, 01:52 PM
It would be nice to see the Normandy map modified to include the UK, or at least part of it. Then we could do our own versions of flights across the Channel. http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

VW-IceFire
03-06-2005, 12:13 PM
Sorry, I should have mentioned. We're not allowed to touch the Med or Italy or England.

The map choice is very slim. Restrict the dates to operational frontlines during December 1944 to April 1945.

mothyp
03-06-2005, 04:11 PM
im sure this is not popular
but please make the Tangmere pilots very happy and give us dover to brightom and pas de calaos(cap gris nez) i know this is proll y the bob map but you need to test it and as we are your target market test it with us

the kuban map is almost identical so com e on ubi give us what we want and you know we will buy BoB as the Tangmere pilots are ultimatley a BoB organisation and one of our own has supplied the Mossie!

VW-IceFire
03-06-2005, 04:25 PM
That's another map thats not a possibility and not within the ground rules unfortunately.

Stuff like Calais and Dieppe are undoubtedly going to be a BoB/Post BoB sort of release.

Stonerox
03-07-2005, 09:13 AM
I want me a map of the south-west coast of Norway, and possibly including some bases in Scotland - for allied pilots to return to... I know the distance is long, but I would gladly accept cutting away some sections of the North sea - to make the distance shorter. This to make it possible and playable...

I dream of missions, flying through the fjords...
Also a lot of anti-shipping raids were conducted there... And I love sinking ships!!! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt._Tenneal
03-07-2005, 10:02 AM
Rhineland operations (early 1945) ?

crazyivan1970
03-07-2005, 11:13 AM
Ian is the man to talk to... maybe he can do something about it. Latest maps by Ian... man, they are nice any way you look at it.

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 01:29 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Ian is the man to talk to... maybe he can do something about it. Latest maps by Ian... man, they are nice any way you look at it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

He suggested I try and find out a specific area in that late war western europe battleground that wasn't the heavily populated Rhineland area.

Going into the north was the obvious solution but I can't find Volkes airbase on any front maps and I have no concept of the Luftwaffe forces in the area or where they would be.

Worst comes to worst, we'll do a generic map with no place names on it and some airbases scattered about. Actually, we need a PF map like that with a chain of islands (that aren't symmetrical) that could be used to generically represent the Solomons, Leyte Gulf, and other locations.

Capt._Tenneal
03-07-2005, 01:48 PM
Worst comes to worst, we'll do a generic map with no place names on it and some airbases scattered about. Actually, we need a PF map like that with a chain of islands (that aren't symmetrical) that could be used to generically represent the Solomons, Leyte Gulf, and other locations.

Sounds cool. I'll take a generic map of an island chain in the Pacific in lieu of the actual places if I'm sure it will be added.

faustnik
03-07-2005, 02:01 PM
The Anzio breakout would be great! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Map (http://members.aol.com/ItalyMap/MapGustav.jpg)

Map 2 (http://www.dean.usma.edu/history/web03/atlases/ww2%20europe/ww2%20europe%20pages/ww2%20europe%20map%2050.htm)

Monty_Thrud
03-07-2005, 02:24 PM
http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_cool.gifAnything with sea and white cap mountains(i think theres only one mountainous area map in IL2) gets my vote...how about green fields near the coastal areas with a more desert look inland...or a few Mountain valley cove islands for a fast run through, like in the film 633 squadron...just a thought http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 02:34 PM
Great maps there faustnik but unfortunately not something we can do.

Now I've got some attention with the Pacific generic map thing. Maybe thats what needs doing, a generic Western Front map (winter/summer) for online and offline scenarios alike with enough roads, rails, and that sort of thing with intelligent placement but without anything specific. And then a generic Pacific Front map to help us as well.

faustnik
03-07-2005, 02:38 PM
I like the generic idea, especially for the Pacific. It's hard to find good airfield mixes with the Pacific Maps. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Oh, how about taking the existing Normandy 2 map and making England bigger with at least 2 airfields.

Capt._Tenneal
03-07-2005, 02:39 PM
Icefire will these generic PF and Western maps be like the online maps with the developers names ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can see it now : We now have Olegovo. Soon we will have Olegville and the Maddox Archipelago.

(Oh, I asked this before somewhere, but do you have a link to your camapigns ? Where to download, I mean)

Bremspropeller
03-07-2005, 02:42 PM
A map in SW-NE dierection would solve the problem caused by the Ruhr-valley.

But I dunno whether this is possible (since all maps are aligned with NORTH on top).

VW-IceFire
03-07-2005, 03:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
Icefire will these generic PF and Western maps be like the online maps with the developers names ? http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I can see it now : We now have Olegovo. Soon we will have Olegville and the Maddox Archipelago.

(Oh, I asked this before somewhere, but do you have a link to your camapigns ? Where to download, I mean) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My missions/campaigns are now all available on Flying Legends.
http://www.flying-legends.net/php/downloads/downloads.php?cat_id=19

The single mission pack under single missions and 'The Shooting Stars' under offline campaigns. I've got a La-5FN Leningrad 1944 campaign coming as well as a Hellcat Marianas campaign and a P-38 Normandy campaign coming along. All are 8-12 missions long. Sort of fun to toss in a quick campaign to accomplish...I get bored with the 30-40 mission long behemoths both in playing and developing so I find this is a good balance. Look for those over the coming months.

p1ngu666
03-07-2005, 07:59 PM
norway sounds good http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

a bay of biscay map aswell...

pacific map sounds good aswell http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

tbh, i want varied maps, with interesting terrain

for us its a shame there was no fighting in afganistan, tibet, beutiful and dramatic landscape http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

ofcouse, im glad there was no fighting there

what about yugoslavia and that area, where west, med, east met?

IAFS_Painter
03-08-2005, 07:20 AM
Well - teh orriginal question is loaded so that we have just one answer Holland, and the Rhine.

Key cities Arnhem and Nijmegen, which in turn lands us with operation Market Garden! http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

So - southern Holland, maybe with parts of Belgium and Germany?

Ummm - not an area noted for high mountains http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_frown.gif


Add a UK base (a'la Normandy map) and we have scope for pre-Normandy ops too.

Capt._Tenneal
03-08-2005, 07:59 AM
How about Operation Anvil/Dragoon ? Was there much in air operations to justify a map for that area ?

VW-IceFire
03-08-2005, 10:16 AM
If you guys can block out some maps of appropriate size (I think 160x160km is an average?) then I'll see what we can do with them. Post em here!

Having allied and luftwaffe airbases in the areas are crucial.

TangmerePhilipp
03-09-2005, 12:34 PM
Malta.

Tooz_69GIAP
03-09-2005, 07:03 PM
I don't know how accurate this is, but according to the scale bar in the bottom left of this map, the black line represents approximately 160km x 160km

Just outside the box on the german side of the border is the dense part of the Ruhr, so the box avoids that, and it includes Amsterdam, and all the important Market Garden towns.

http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/netherlands_map2.jpg

But this is just to give an idea of the scale of a possible map to be used as a guide, than to be seen as any definate location for it.

I have no idea where german bases would be on this map, but it covers a pretty big chunk of the Netherlands, so I'd expect some good locations to be in there somewhere.

Tooz_69GIAP
03-09-2005, 07:27 PM
Here's a map of Germany this time, and I have placed squares of 160km x 160km at different locations around it.

Again, this is not to suggest certain locations, but to give a sense of the scale of the maps that may be made, so you can gauge where the area should cover.

http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/germany1.jpg

Bull_dog_
03-09-2005, 08:08 PM
If there were a generic map made...I'd love to see something that loosely approximated the english channel with land on each side...don't know if this is possible with the restrictions though...

Other than that, I'd be happy to expand the Ardennes map significantly

How about a generic Fjords map...we can fly in with Mosquitoes and Beaus and attack German shipping moored in the maze... always thought that would be a real cool set of maps

Otherwise, might as well try around Holland where operation Market Garden took place...or Malta

p1ngu666
03-09-2005, 08:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bull_dog_:
If there were a generic map made...I'd love to see something that loosely approximated the english channel with land on each side...don't know if this is possible with the restrictions though...

Other than that, I'd be happy to expand the Ardennes map significantly

How about a generic Fjords map...we can fly in with Mosquitoes and Beaus and attack German shipping moored in the maze... always thought that would be a real cool set of maps

Otherwise, might as well try around Holland where operation Market Garden took place...or Malta <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

want some sea on the west coast, with island on the left so we can do mossie and buefighter raids http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

aprently, some of the fjords where so tight, that only swordfish could opporate there http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
swordfish with rockets http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif

Tooz_69GIAP
03-09-2005, 11:43 PM
Here's another map, this tim eof Norway. As we are getting Murmansk, and we have the Tirpitz, why not expand on this part of the theatre by adding in a good Norway map?

This time I put in 200km x 200km blocks.

http://www.baseclass.modulweb.dk/69giap/fileadmin/69_giap_private/images/Norway_Map.jpg

Having a map with the Tromsoe Fjord would be very cool as we could all sorts of Tirpitz stuff with the Mosquito and use Corsair and Martlets going off the Illustious class carriers, etc.

Also, a map which had Narvik in it as well as Tromsoe could be good for a 1940 Norway campaign.