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IV_JG51_Razor
01-24-2004, 08:56 AM
Oleg, can you tell us how, if at all, the JU-88 is controlled by the player after it is released? Can you give us any information as to how the engine controls, etc, are controlled by the player? Just curious. It seems to me that this was a very complicated task for you to accomlish, and I'm looking forward to seeing the results. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Razor
IV/JG51 Intelligence Officer

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IV_JG51_Razor
01-24-2004, 08:56 AM
Oleg, can you tell us how, if at all, the JU-88 is controlled by the player after it is released? Can you give us any information as to how the engine controls, etc, are controlled by the player? Just curious. It seems to me that this was a very complicated task for you to accomlish, and I'm looking forward to seeing the results. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Razor
IV/JG51 Intelligence Officer

"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor judgement"

Ju87
01-24-2004, 09:31 AM
as far as i know the mistel wasn't controlled after release... you drop it, and the Ju88-Bomb just glides towards the target

Chuck_Older
01-24-2004, 01:52 PM
I'm not so sure...the Germans had a wire guided missile that was air-launched. Sank a ship with one, too, IIRC.

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IV_JG51_Razor
01-24-2004, 06:21 PM
I'm not quite sure, but from these links, it looks to me like the Mistel was guided to it's target after release.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/mistral.html

http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/compopara/page15.html

Regardless of what happens to it after release, I'm still curious as to what Oleg has decided to do about controlling the engines, gear, flaps, etc, etc, for the Mistel.

Razor
IV/JG51 Intelligence Officer

"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor judgement"

WB_Outlaw
01-24-2004, 11:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by IV_JG51_Razor:
I'm not quite sure, but from these links, it looks to me like the Mistel was guided to it's target after release.

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/mistral.html

http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/compopara/page15.html

Regardless of what happens to it after release, I'm still curious as to what Oleg has decided to do about controlling the engines, gear, flaps, etc, etc, for the Mistel.

Razor
IV/JG51 Intelligence Officer

"Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from poor judgement"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In the second link it says that the pilot aimed the entire assembly and then activated the autopilot on the JU-88 which would allegedly keep it on the same flight path.

I don't know for sure but I wouldn't think that you would need much engine control of the JU-88. Maybe just a takeoff and cruise setting. A couple of pneumatic or electric motors connected to the throttles and wired to a aux. panel with a few switches in the fighter cockpit would work just fine. Just a theory though.

-Outlaw.

HUTCH_HUTCH
01-25-2004, 03:17 AM
how about the me262 mistel..?
and did you know japan making a me262 type jet called the Ki-201 ..

fyi

CHIN UP
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http://www.fragnetgaming.com

F19_Olli72
01-25-2004, 05:52 AM
And im still wondering what happened to the 109/mistel combo.....ive seen screenies of it but it hasnt been mentioned for a long time (if at all?)

Bobsqueek
01-25-2004, 06:06 AM
Bf 109's were used during the test phase (I think) (Mistel 1 they were called)

Then during the development process they swapped over to the FW-190A (mistel 2) and that was the one they used operationally

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To lose one war is bad luck..to lose two is just plain careless

F19_Olli72
01-25-2004, 08:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bobsqueek:
Bf 109's were used during the test phase (I think) (Mistel 1 they were called)

Then during the development process they swapped over to the FW-190A (mistel 2) and that was the one they used operationally

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To lose one war is bad luck..to lose two is just plain careless<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Perhaps, i dont know much about the Mistel's history. But im referring to the FB model, i dont see any reason to exclude it cos it wasnt operational. Theres a number of aircraft that werent operational in FB so why start with the Mistel http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

Just wondering as ive seen the screens, looked like the external was finished for it anyway....

necrobaron
01-25-2004, 12:32 PM
The Mistel is still there. I saw some recent pics of one taking off on a French website. The Me-262 Mistel would be interesting but it would involve changing the external model of the 262,which Oleg may not want to take the time to do. If a 3rd party modeller wanted to do it,I'm sure they could. Plus I think there were only 1 or 2 Me-262s modified for the Mistel combination and I don't believe any actually flew(or saw very little flight time). Of course,that could apply to several planes already making it into FB....http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

F19_Olli72
01-25-2004, 02:36 PM
Sry Necrobaron, i think u missed that i was talking about the bf109/mistel combo. As for those screens with a mistel taking off was the Fw190/mistel combo. Ive seen em, but alas...im not a Fw person myself. I do fly the 109 quite a lot tho thats why im asking about the 109 combo.

BBB_Hyperion
01-25-2004, 02:40 PM
There was a 262 Mistel (with jet engines) planned too .

I have only some construction drawings.


Regards,
Hyperion

necrobaron
01-25-2004, 03:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:
Sry Necrobaron, i think u missed that i was talking about the bf109/mistel combo. As for those screens with a mistel taking off was the Fw190/mistel combo. Ive seen em, but alas...im not a Fw person myself. I do fly the 109 quite a lot tho thats why im asking about the 109 combo.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh,okay. Yeah, I didn't realize you were referring to the 109 Mistel. I've never seen screenies of that.

F19_Olli72
01-25-2004, 04:13 PM
http://games.1c.ru/il2/fb/screenshots/mistel01.jpg
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

RidgeR5
01-25-2004, 04:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HUTCH_HUTCH:
how about the me262 mistel..?
and did you know japan making a me262 type jet called the Ki-201 ..

fyi

CHIN UP
=
Next time you in Eugene,Oregon stop by
http://www.fragnetgaming.com<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Japanese Kikka was actually just a "cover" of one of the Me-262s Germany sent over with their scientists...

S!

Ridge

necrobaron
01-25-2004, 04:33 PM
Thanks Olli! How long old is that screenie? I'm suprised I missed it. Hopefully,the 109 Mistel combination will be in the add-on. As for the Me-262 Mistel,here's the upper half of the combination. The nose had a wooden,glazed extension and inside that was a bombardier to facilitate bomb aiming and release. This 262 varient had 20 or so test flights but was never fitted with a Ju-88. I don't believe this is what Hyperion was referring to,btw.


http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Necrobaron/Me262-A2a-U2-13_Mistel.jpg

F19_Olli72
01-25-2004, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
Thanks Olli! How long old is that screenie? I'm suprised I missed it. Hopefully,the 109 Mistel combination will be in the add-on.http://img15.photobucket.com/albums/v46/Necrobaron/Me262-A2a-U2-13_Mistel.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Actually i have no idea how old it is, and i think it never has been on the ubi updates. Its on 1c's russian site and i found it a long time ago (some months) while image searching for the Mistel on altavista.

BBB_Hyperion
01-25-2004, 06:57 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
I don't believe this is what Hyperion was referring to,btw.
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http://il2.wunderlin.net/modules/Static_Docs/data/misc/pics/mistel2621.jpg
http://il2.wunderlin.net/modules/Static_Docs/data/misc/pics/mistel2622.jpg

Still Lack of believe necrobaron.)

Regards,
Hyperion

necrobaron
01-25-2004, 09:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BBB_Hyperion:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
I don't believe this is what Hyperion was referring to,btw.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://il2.wunderlin.net/modules/Static_Docs/data/misc/pics/mistel2621.jpg
http://il2.wunderlin.net/modules/Static_Docs/data/misc/pics/mistel2622.jpg

Still Lack of believe necrobaron.)

Regards,
Hyperion<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


No,no, I think you misunderstand. I meant that I didn't believe what you were referring to was the same as what I was referring to. I believe what you say to be correct but different than what I was talking about.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

jeroen_R90S
01-25-2004, 11:43 PM
Indeed the mistel was aimed, using the Revi in the fighter and kept on course by it's (allegedly) very accurate autopilot.

The fighter had an additional instrument panel to monitor the Ju's engines as well as extra throttles for controlling them. The whole thing was controlled with the fighter's stick; electric servo motors were used on the Ju's control surfaces, effectevely making it one of the first fly-by-wire aircraft.

The most difficult part was taking off, as you could see nothing from the fighter cockpit until it had sufficent speed for the tail to come off the ground. Another thing were blown tyres, the Ju was heavily overloaded (a fully operational fighter on top as well as a 2,5 ton warhead!).

The 109 was used operational at Normandy. I don't know why they switched to 190s later.

The 190s (either A-8 or F-8) on operational versions (with warhead, the training version was the Ju with cockpit manned by a crew) were coupled with the Ju 88G-1, which used the same engines and thus the same fuel, allowing the fighter to drain fuel from the Ju, giving the whole thing a range of 3000+ km's.

The 109s (mostly F-4s, some G-6s also used) were usually coupled with a Ju 88A-4, which also used compatible fuel.

The training version usually had an A-4 as well.

Excellent book about mistel:
http://www.kitreview.com/reviews/mistelbookreviewbg_1.htm

I got it for christmas, really recommended read.

Jeroen

BBB_Hyperion
01-26-2004, 08:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
No,no, I think you misunderstand. I meant that I didn't believe what you were referring to was the same as what I was referring to. I believe what you say to be correct but different than what I was talking about.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sry needed a reason to post it hehe .)

Regards,
Hyperion

necrobaron
01-26-2004, 09:53 AM
Oh,okay! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif That new bomb looks like it would've be considerably more devastating than the standard Ju-88.......